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Old September 17th, 2005 #22
J.P. Slovjanski
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I see often people asking what is the proper discipline, however there is no style that wil fit everyone. If you are short go for grappling, if you are tall go for striking as tall people with long arms lose leverage up close. If you are super powerful just maul your opponent.
Everyone needs to know how to grapple. Time and time again it has been proven that a "pure" grappler can beat a striker while the reverse is not true.



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What about the 15% that don’t? Also what if you are facing more than one opponent?
How are you going to strike hard enough to even your odds against more than one opponent if grappling won't work?


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Grappling is a last ditch effort when everything else has failed.

Wrong.

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A competent teacher or fighter will tell you the last place you want to be is on the ground in a fight.
A bullshit artist will tell you this, particularly one having a background in Kung Fu. Grappling is not simply groundfighting, it also involves throws, trips, clinching(which makes striking easier) and standing submissions.

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While you are fighting one his buddy will stomp you, I know this from experience.
While you are standing up punching one guy another will hit you from the side, it doesn't matter either way. Now if you can THROW the first guy and clinch with the second you might have a chance.

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Also the closer you are to your opponent the better chance he has of pulling a knife, fighting rings or whatever and injuring you seriously.
How is this even logical? You close the distance and tie up an opponent to NEGATE HIS ABILITY TO MOVE.


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BJJ is a style that relies on time and opportunity, in an actual street fight you have about 5 seconds average where a grappling match can take up to 30 minutes or even longer.
What the HELL are you talking about? The grappling match between Kimura and Helio Gracie is considered one of the longest in history and it was only 12 MINUTES! You don't know jack about BJJ. BJJ is actually a system that DOESN'T require nearly as much timing because its positional strategy and concept of control allows you to stall for time.

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Also in my experience I have never see an actual fight go to the ground, the fight was over before it got to that point.
Yet for some reason police and military agencies around the world support the statement that most fights go to the ground. Look at it this way, you can go through life thinking that you won't go to the ground in a fight. But if you DO go there, what are you going to do?

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Your average street fighter will hit you with what ever is handy and then gouge your eyes right before he hits you in the groin.
Eye gouching and groin hits sound terrifying in theory but anyone who has experienced both frequently can tell you that they are NOT fight-enders as everyone believes.


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There are no immediate rules on the street, and your only goal is to live not to win and do a victory dance. All street fighters fight dirty, meaning they will nail you before you get a chance to react, fair play is left on Gunsmoke so more than likely they will knock you out with the first punch.
Where did you get the idea that things like BJJ or Judo need "fair play"? When you take away the rules of Judo or competition BJJ you are only giving the grappler MORE of an advantage that he wouldn't have in the ring.

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Also remember this is in a tournament with rules, things change where there are no rules.
As said above, it just gives the grappler MORE advantage.





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I wouldn’t advocate carrying a weapon even with a CCW if for no other reason than a white man won’t get a fair shake in court even if he is simply caught with a weapon. Or for no other reason that it must be handy and accessible in less than a second. You have to practice getting to it, because the time you could be unbuckling a knife or whatever you could be smashing your attacker with a nearby piece of driftwood or whatever else is handy.
For once we agree on something.

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Actual fighting is an instinct, while martial arts unless a lifetime devotion is only exercise to get you in shape. The best advice is to be ready. Stretch for 15 minutes every morning, then you will be prepared physically more so than your attacker. A person that is a thug usually doesn’t prepare his body as such. And if he does you have evened out the playing field a little bit more.

This is too broad a statement. There are many martial arts to which you can dedicate your life and still not be able to fight. Conversely there are some martial arts where a recreational knowledge can make you almost lethal. My rule is this:

If your martial art is such that you can master it yet have absolutely no advantage over an equal opponent with no training- it just might be useless.