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Old January 30th, 2013 #3114
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Whitman was completely lucid and [I]knew what he was doing...
Was Charles Whitman sane or insane? He had no problems of cognition but he was gripped by strange impulses. He was lucid and he knew what he was doing ...

Psychosis is not 24/7 thingie, Hadding. It is episodic. This means that someone can be "normal" one moment and "crazy" the next.
When a patient slips from a rational stage into a psychotic episode, then his cognition (as you call it) shuts down and he goes ape without even realizing it. This can go on for days. When he finally comes out of his bout of psychosis, he cannot explain the things he did when he went on his rampage.
Hence his letter complaining about "irrational thoughts." It is similar to sleepwalking, hypnosis, hallucinations and delusions.
My point is that it is involuntary, which makes him a victim. All the intelligence, education, expertise and wisdom in the world does not make you immune to psychosis, whether it is induced by hallucinations or delusions. The only thing that can save you from this condition is anti-psychotic medication or, if it is caused by a brain tumor, neuro surgical intervention.

Katy
You fail to distinguish derangement of impulses and derangement of cognition.

As Pauly points out, Whitman's condition was not intermittent. He didn't know why he wanted to kill, but he wanted to kill, and he was aware of it.
In spite of his awareness of these impulses and puzzlement over them, he apparently did not try to stop himself.

My point was that, whatever was wrong with Whitman, it did not affect his ability to communicate coherently. That has a bearing on Steele because the cheerleaders want to say that since Steele could still form coherent sentences his mind was therefore completely okay. The case of Charles Whitman demonstrates that this is a non sequitur.

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