[Alex Linder]

First, there are people with considerable talents other than leadership, who end up in leadership roles anyway, because they feel that somebody has to do it. I think that this is true of Pierce and Strom, for instance.

Pierce could lead. I think, my opinion, is he did not want to get any bigger than his group was. He refused to delegate, micromanaged every decision, and this choked off any possibility of exponential growth. My opinion is based on speaking to him, observing his operation in Hillsboro, and talking to a few insiders. Prof. Griffin has it right in his book "Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds." Even so, even if Pierce had wanted his group to get huge, it was being watched by the FBI and jewish hate groups. They could have taken it down at any time, easily.

Second, there are the crazies, which includes the people I used to work for, as well as characters with severe personality disorders like Bill White.

That's fair assessment of White but I assure you, I assure you, the feds are more afraid of someone like Bill White than Jared Taylor, by a factor of about 1000x. Bill White understands what it takes to defeat the feds, altho his personality makes it impossible to do more than indicate the way. Jared Taylor is, for all practical purposes, part of the government.

David Duke is a natural politician, but he has effectively retired. Aside from him, can you think of anybody else in the US who has been a good political leader since George Lincoln Rockwell? I really can't.

You're not thinking hard enough. The question is why. Are you honestly saying that White can't generate actual leadership and organization? Really? It's not rocket science. There simply has to be some other fact, it's self evident, at least to me. The factor is opposition activity. I mean, it's hard to keep a website online, and an organization is exponentially more difficult because it offers another 100 openings to the enemy to set people up or trip them on technicalities.

I see you as doing exactly what I say - blaming us for what is enemy activity. Two examples from Pierce alone: the FBI/ADL were running covers on all his outgoing and incoming mail. So they basically know who all his people are. So they are perfectly positioned to apply pressure to anybody in the respectable middle class, making good money, who supports him. They can let NA run as long as it serves their interest, then reel him in any time they find it to their advantage, on this technicality or that. And, they have guys like you and Jared Taylors who will immediately leap in and blame the victim for screwing up. This is precisely the problem I'm pointing to. It is the MAIN problem we face in organizing. In fact, I would go so far as to say it is the only problem we face.

I don't know much about Doles.

Well you should, because it's pretty freakin' pertinent. Doles was a prison guard. Big, beefy guy - extroverted, Southerner, lots of kids - the kind the bull-necked cop types like and identify with. A heterosexual Ernst Rohm, so to speak. Doles built a meeting house on his property in Georgia, and over time built up his meetings to where he had dozens if not hundreds of locals attending, including cops and small-town politicos, if what I read was correct.

Now again, remember, we're operating on your theory that whites don't know how to organize a piss-up in a brewery. Yet here's a blue-collar guy, a freakin' prison guard, getting hundreds of pissed off folks together and thinking about ways to reclaim the country.

Now, you say it's not them, it's us. And then my theory kicks in, and I say, well, Chertoff spent approximately $2 million to take Doles down. Your theory cannot account for that fact. It fits my theory perfectly.

The problem ain't us. It's the enemy. A white man develops a following, a party, it gets beyond whatever the organizational equivalent is to Stalin's 10,000 magazine circulation, then feds and kikes come together to quash it and jail or murder the leader. That's what's actually going on in this country, and you have no excuse not to see it.

As for Hale and Steele, were they targeted for being effective leaders? In Hale's case, I suspect it is because a number of spree killers were connected to Hale's church.

Maybe. But I would say they were afraid of his leadership potential, so they set him up. Again, you are asserting it's us rather than them that prevents us organizing, then pointing to someone who was barely getting started and was shut down for a completely bogus reason. That doesn't support your argument, it supports mine.

As for Steele, he was a lawyer who pissed off a lot of lawyers and Feebs over the years. Steele was effectively retired, so I expect that he was targeted for what he had done rather than for what he would be likely to do.

Hard to say what precipitated the set up in this case, if anything more than simply the opportunity presenting itself to ZOG and Big Jew. But yet again, this makes my case: a mere intellectual leader is set on and attacked, no political organization is even involved. ZOG doesn't even wait for the org to form these days, it just snuff whoever it feels like on the thinnest pretext. I haven't even mentioned Kevin Strom, who was told at Doles hearing "you're next" by the feds. And yet people like you absolve the feds and tell people like Strom to blame themselves. This is wrong. We are not the problem. The enemy is the problem. The enemy is the reason Whites have not organized - they CANNOT organize by the conventional means and facilities and laws available to every other group. I didn't even mention Pierce being refused the ordinary 501c3 tax status he applied for for his Cosmotheist Church, specifically because it was a White foundation. The court specifically rejected it for that reason, even knowing all kinds of jew and non-white churches exactly the same in legal form, were unanimously approved. So how can you turn around and them blame Whites for failing to organize? The reason they're not organizing is not that Whites don't know how to organize, it's that the federal government and the jews that run it are preventing them from organizing. And they've been doing it for decades, back to well before World War II. These are simply facts. There is no debate over them. The jews smashed Coughlin and other traditional Catholics by literally physically smashing newsstands and threatening people who put them on the radio. You can't then turn around and blame them for being incompetent to organize.

You will hate to hear this, but the people I most admire on the American racialist right are Jared Taylor and Willis Carto, largely for the same reason: they are fundamentally rational men who are capable of creating and running organizations and publications. We need that sort of under the hood competence as a foundation for everything else.

Carto is a publisher, but his stuff is crank stuff, not really a threat to the powers that be. And anyway, it's publishing, not political organizing.

As for Taylor, he's with the jews. That, obviously, gives him protection WN don't get. It is the reason he is never arrested or harassed (except by the lowest level anti-white retards). If Taylor were a genuine WN, and said the true things about jews, he'd get the same treatment we do. In fact, all he does is serve as a useful example the System can manipulate to persuade whites that it's us that's the problem rather than the enemy. Then again, what does Taylor organize? One conference every two years. That's next to nothing. Taylor is basically just a guy who does a newsletter. And a website of no particular interest.

We need WNs not just with fighting skills, but with business and organizational skills. Those have to come first.

Nope, you're completely wrong. We have the business and organizational skills. The reason we can't use them is we can't defend our organizations, conferences -- hell, if we're honest, we can't even defend our websites. it's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of our having no ability whatsoever, at this point, to strike blows against our enemy, not in any form. To pretend that it's a matter of lack of some professional type or skill set is ridiculous. We need lawyers, guns and soldiers and money, and heaping scoops of all those. Only when we can threaten the people who threaten us will we get anywhere. People don't like losers. They don't want to jump in with people who get their ass kicked around the clock. Until we solve that problem, people will be happy to read our essays, but they're not going to put their ass on the line when there's no percentage in it, not even a seeming longshot chance at victory. Without the ability to kick ass, literally and metaphorically, all we can do is twiddle thumbs on the sidelines, make points about what's going on on the field, and wait for the earthquake to break the stadium apart. It may happen. But who knows when. And who knows which side it will favor.

We believe that the system is collapsing. We believe that things are going to get worse and worse. Why not put our money where our mouths are? Why not position ourselves to profit from the collapse? Why then are not WNs with any business experience going into industries that grow in collapsing and failed states? There is always money to be made, no matter how bad the economy gets.

Uh...sure. Not my areas of expertise and off subject, but sure. Who has told people to buy gold from the days it was around 500? We have.

For instance, the personal security industry is a huge in the Third World, protecting the rich and powerful. It will be a growth industry as the US goes Third World. The rich and powerful will pay for the privilege of delivering their lives, their secrets, and their wealth into the hands of mercenaries military and spy backgrounds. Fascinating, no?

Yeah. And kind of my point. How about we see our race as the thing that needs security, and get people willing to defend it for free, as part of a long-term investment in their posterity's future.

What if Jared Taylor were a WN instead of a jewfront. And what if he organized a conference. And what if when the left tried to shut it down he had 1000 Whites armed with whatever was legal ready to kick the ass of any who tried to break his contract - to trash the homes of these anonymous callers, and break the arms of any who tried to block access to the conference meeting site? That's how the game is played when a side is serious. And our lack of ability to field such an Aryan army defines our current unseriousness.

Right now all we can honestly say is we provide solid analysis. Until we have physical forces to enforce our theoretical constitutional rights, we don't have shit. Blaming whites for the actions of ZOG/Big Jew is precisely what the enemy, jared taylor for example, encourages us to do.