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Originally Posted by joeylowsac
I couldn't agree more that 'Europe shouldn't turn Eurabia'.
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Thanks my American brother . . . up-thumbee given
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But to that end, there's no use getting sentimental about who occupied a particular geographic location at some arbitrary point in the past. All that ever really matters is who can keep hold of it in the present.
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So you do not subscribe to the 'Blut und Boden' ( Blood and soil ) theory ?
That theory is disputed.
I'll quote an old post of mine from the 'anti-americanism'-thread
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Oh , and for the record , while we're at this subject , I would like to use this thread to face another argument brought up by antis quite often . .
That Europeans "stole the land from the Indians" . .
Like I said , I'm not American , yet how I view it . .
European settlers defeated the Indians in fair fight . .
They were numerically superior and had the better weapons . .
On a side note , the Indians at that time didn't even have a state built up. .
They were just nomads. .
There were Indians in America but they didn't have one big tribal collective . .
Europeans first built a state in the Americas . .
The state proclaimed that it was "theirs" . .
On a side note , many Indians also died from diseases imported by Europeans ( against which they had no resistance ) . .
So , all in all , Europeans took that land in fair fight . .
If one brings the argument that , just because the Indians were in the Americas before European settlers , it is supposed to be "their country" for eternity . .
ALL THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY TERRITORIES HAVE BEEN CONQUERED , RE-CONQUERED . .
If everything which ONCE belonged to a certain people would be regarded to be forever be "theirs" , then mankind would be stuck. .
I think the key is whether a certain people had managed to form a state on a territory , i. e. introduce a political system . . .
Then that state can be called theirs . . .
Otherwise it would be anarchy ( i. e. everybody in chaos ) . .
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