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Old March 31st, 2019 #4
ColdFire
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Originally Posted by joeylowsac View Post
I couldn't agree more that 'Europe shouldn't turn Eurabia'.
Thanks my American brother . . . up-thumbee given

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But to that end, there's no use getting sentimental about who occupied a particular geographic location at some arbitrary point in the past. All that ever really matters is who can keep hold of it in the present.
So you do not subscribe to the 'Blut und Boden' ( Blood and soil ) theory ?

That theory is disputed.

I'll quote an old post of mine from the 'anti-americanism'-thread
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Oh , and for the record , while we're at this subject , I would like to use this thread to face another argument brought up by antis quite often . .

That Europeans "stole the land from the Indians" . .

Like I said , I'm not American , yet how I view it . .

European settlers defeated the Indians in fair fight . .

They were numerically superior and had the better weapons . .

On a side note , the Indians at that time didn't even have a state built up. .

They were just nomads. .

There were Indians in America but they didn't have one big tribal collective . .

Europeans first built a state in the Americas . .

The state proclaimed that it was "theirs" . .

On a side note , many Indians also died from diseases imported by Europeans ( against which they had no resistance ) . .

So , all in all , Europeans took that land in fair fight . .


If one brings the argument that , just because the Indians were in the Americas before European settlers , it is supposed to be "their country" for eternity . .

ALL THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY TERRITORIES HAVE BEEN CONQUERED , RE-CONQUERED . .

If everything which ONCE belonged to a certain people would be regarded to be forever be "theirs" , then mankind would be stuck. .

I think the key is whether a certain people had managed to form a state on a territory , i. e. introduce a political system . . .

Then that state can be called theirs . . .

Otherwise it would be anarchy ( i. e. everybody in chaos ) . .
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