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Old November 19th, 2009 #1
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Antiracists and far-right youths battle in Moscow

By MANSUR MIROVALEV and STEVE GUTTERMAN (AP) – 10 hours ago

MOSCOW — A simmering confrontation between far-right youths and ant-racist activists has erupted into Moscow's streets after the fatal shooting of an anti-racist activist known as the Bonebreaker.

The violence stems from deep animus between two aggressive camps with starkly different visions of Russia's future — neo-Nazi skinheads who rank in the tens of thousands and militant anti-racist groups that call themselves Antifa, short for anti-fascist.

Former punk rocker Ivan Khutorskoi, 26, provided security for meetings of antifascists. He also was known for organizing underground bare-knuckle boxing matches among them, and taking part in violent attacks on ultranationalists.

Khutorskoi was gunned down in his apartment building on the city's outskirts Monday night. A day later, dozens of masked men pelted the headquarters of the pro-Kremlin youth group Young Russia with stones, trash and steel rods, Young Russia's leader said.

Kremlin critics say Russia's leadership created Young Russia and similar youth organizations to keep its political opponents in check and provide support, and sometimes muscle, on the streets. Anti-racist groups claim they have close ties with the ultranationalists they call fascists or Nazis.

Nobody was hurt in the attack late Tuesday on the office of Young Russia. But its message, delivered first with projectiles and then over the Internet, seemed clear.

"If no one but us tries to stop Nazis and those who provide cover for them, we will act by all means necessary," blogger Anarcho Punk wrote Wednesday. Other anti-racist bloggers said the attack was retaliation for what they claimed were the group's links to Russian neo-Nazis. They "dedicated" the assault to their leader, Khutorskoi — an outsized figure and a role model among antifascists, who say he had survived three previous assassination attempts. He was shot twice in the back of the head near the door to his apartment on Moscow's eastern outskirts, police said.

Khutorskoi sometimes provided security at press conferences of Stanislav Markelov, a human rights lawyer hated by ultranationalists — but not at the one last January after which Markelov and a journalist were fatally shot on the street.

Antifa groups have been rapidly adding to their ranks in Russia in recent years, said Galina Kozhevnikova, the director of Sova, a respected independent hate-crime watchdog monitoring group. She said their ideology attracts leftist-minded youth and people concerned about persistent hate crimes and xenophobia in today's Russia.

"The army of ultranationalists is definitely bigger, as the movement is much older," Kozhevnikova said.

Pro-Kremlin youth groups like Young Russia are also a significant force. Experts believe their emergence was a Kremlin response to the 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine, where youth groups played a key role in street protests that ushered a pro-Western presidential candidate to power.

Young Russia is known for street rallies and pranks against anti-Kremlin politicians. The group has also been involved in attacks on anti-government protesters and opposition youth activists.

Young Russia's leader, Maxim Mishchenko, said about 80 masked men attacked the office in central Moscow. A 22-year old attacker was seized by Young Russia activists and handed over to police, he said.

Anti-fascist bloggers claimed Mishchenko, a Russian parliament member with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's United Russia party, has close ties with Russky Obraz, a radical ultranationalist group that antiracists claim was behind Khutorskoi's killing.

Mishchenko denied the allegations, calling them "as absolute lie."

A spokesman for Russky Obraz, Yevgeny Valayev, told The Associated Press that the group had "no Kremlin-appointed supervisors" but had cooperated with Mishchenko on several initiatives, including an extreme nationalist march in Moscow early this month.

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Old November 19th, 2009 #2
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Khutorskoi was gunned down in his apartment building on the city's outskirts Monday night. A day later, dozens of masked men pelted the headquarters of the pro-Kremlin youth group Young Russia with stones, trash and steel rods, Young Russia's leader said.

Kremlin critics say Russia's leadership created Young Russia and similar youth organizations to keep its political opponents in check and provide support, and sometimes muscle, on the streets. Anti-racist groups claim they have close ties with the ultranationalists they call fascists or Nazis.
Rus Molodaya (or Young Russia), has close ties to Putin's Nashi, which is very much an anti-fascist/anti-racist group. Nota bene, ultranationalist groups have been outlawed by Russia's ZOG.

This is a shit-stirring article written by a couple of kikes.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the government that killed the antifa lemming.
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Former punk rocker Ivan Khutorskoi, 26, provided security for meetings of antifascists. He also was known for organizing underground bare-knuckle boxing matches among them, and taking part in violent attacks on ultranationalists.
Too bad he was fighting for the wrong side.

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Young Russia's leader, Maxim Mishchenko, said about 80 masked men attacked the office in central Moscow. A 22-year old attacker was seized by Young Russia activists and handed over to police, he said.

Anti-fascist bloggers claimed Mishchenko, a Russian parliament member with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's United Russia party, has close ties with Russky Obraz, a radical ultranationalist group that antiracists claim was behind Khutorskoi's killing.
So is Young Russia a nationalist group or an anti-Russian group? I'm confused.
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So is Young Russia a nationalist group or an anti-Russian group? I'm confused.
Any Russian nationalist will tell you that Young Russia is not a nationalist group, and neither is Nashi.
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There seems to be two types of Nationalist in Russia. You have the patriotard Russian Nationalist who love Putin, Russian Orthodox Christianity, Armenians, Russian military, Serbs, USSR, etc. While the other Nationalist are race Nationalist, they are concerned with the survival of their race. It is refreshing to see Nationalist in Europe that are concerned with race, and not culture and Jeboo-Jewdayo civilization.
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The countries which were taken over by the Joos - East Germany and Russia for example, are where the hostility toward multiculturalism is most purposeful.
 
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Antifa groups have been rapidly adding to their ranks in Russia in recent years, said Galina Kozhevnikova, the director of Sova, a respected independent hate-crime watchdog monitoring group. She said their ideology attracts leftist-minded youth and people concerned about persistent hate crimes and xenophobia in today's Russia.

Always the commie thug-scum portrayed as having noble motives; always the goddam kike filter.

The Russians are leading by example. The deadly mental fetters of false jew-instilled "morality" must be shattered; stone-sober calculation of the benefits of an action vs. the great potential costs to the actor in the event of error should alone be the deciding factor.

The imperative of survival requires no justification.

But individually making that vital risk-benefit analysis is doubly serious in countries like ours that combine the latest forensic science techniques with kike control of police & politics. This isn't Russia, and this isn't Birmingham in the '60s, either: dis be da KWA, muhfucka, 'n' dey ain't no mo' Bull Connor to wink 'n' nod at da hijinx o' uppity crackas fightin' off da Big Dirtnap.
 
Old November 19th, 2009 #9
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There seems to be two types of Nationalist in Russia. You have the patriotard Russian Nationalist who love Putin, Russian Orthodox Christianity, Armenians, Russian military, Serbs, USSR, etc. While the other Nationalist are race Nationalist, they are concerned with the survival of their race. It is refreshing to see Nationalist in Europe that are concerned with race, and not culture and Jeboo-Jewdayo civilization.

What are you? Italian?

You obviously don't know much about Russia.

Both Russian Orthodox Chritian 'patriotards' and Russian blood and soil racial nationalists support Serbia.

Russian NS org Nacionalni Stroj {National Formation} is based on the Serbian org of the same name.

Why do you assume that all nationalists in Russia or Serbia are Christian?
Sure there are still fools who push Christianity and 'civic nationalism', who don't care about race, just like in the west, but these people have nothing to do with NS activists.
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Old November 19th, 2009 #10
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Ok... so... you in EE should realize we in Flyover America have no understanding of what is actually going on save what we believe or don't believe out of always-jewish media reports from the region. So...

...what is the most accurate characterization of the forces doing battle in Russia today?

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What are you? Italian?

You obviously don't know much about Russia.

Both Russian Orthodox Chritian 'patriotards' and Russian blood and soil racial nationalists support Serbia.

Russian NS org Nacionalni Stroj {National Formation} is based on the Serbian org of the same name.

Why do you assume that all nationalists in Russia or Serbia are Christian?
Sure there are still fools who push Christianity and 'civic nationalism', who don't care about race, just like in the west, but these people have nothing to do with NS activists.
Are you denying there are patriotards in Russia? If you do, you're wrong. These "Nashi" freaks are Nationalist too, and they think a nigger, Korean, or Armenian born and raised in Russia is a Russian. Dog man has a huge thread about these types, who have no problem with non whites as long as they are loyal to Russia. Then you have the Orthodox Christian Russians who will side with a non white Orthodox Christian like Armenians and Greeks over non Orthodox Christian whites. I never said all the Nationalist in Russia are Christians, I said there are two types of Nationalism in Russia. One is the race based Nationalist, and the other is USSR nostalgia Nationalist. I support racial Nationalist, not some Jeboo club any shit skin can be baptized into.
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Ok... so... you in EE should realize we in Flyover America have no understanding of what is actually going on save what we believe or don't believe out of always-jewish media reports from the region. So...

...what is the most accurate characterization of the forces doing battle in Russia today?

When you lay that out for the rest of us, who can hardly know, then VNN is not just a name but an actual NETWORK.

In exchange, I will share whatever I know about that little portion of the world called Northeastern Missouri (NEMO)!

It's really very simple

There are pro Kremlin system nationalists, similar to conservatives in the US, you know the types, for god and country, not really anti semitic, and then there are blood and soil racial nationalists who fight the jew.
Now there are some issues on which they both agree, like for example national sovereignty, a strong military and hatred of western backed NGOs, but their visions for the country are completely different. One is racial the other is civic nationalism.

A group like 'Young Russia' are system nationalists, but of course for the west even this type of nationalism {light} is seen as a threat. If you are not an all out liberal democrat traitor you are condemned in their global press.

The thread is good as it shows the general climate and rising violence in Russia, it's just that some people might not understand the complete picture in the country regarding REAL nationalism, which is not Kremlin approved and is RACIAL.
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Are you denying there are patriotards in Russia? If you do, you're wrong. These "Nashi" freaks are Nationalist too, and they think a nigger, Korean, or Armenian born and raised in Russia is a Russian. Dog man has a huge thread about these types, who have no problem with non whites as long as they are loyal to Russia. Then you have the Orthodox Christian Russians who will side with a non white Orthodox Christian like Armenians and Greeks over non Orthodox Christian whites. I never said all the Nationalist in Russia are Christians, I said there are two types of Nationalism in Russia. One is the race based Nationalist, and the other is USSR nostalgia Nationalist. I support racial Nationalist, not some Jeboo club any shit skin can be baptized into.

Umm... read my post again.

Who is denying that there are patriotards in Russia?

I was merely pointing out that not only patriotards but racial nationalists support Serbs as well, even more so.

Your previous post implied that only Russian patriotards were pro Serbian and that is wrong.

As for Armenians and other orthodox non whites, no one in Russia who is a blood and soil nationalist cares about them and even the patriotards dont go out of their way to support them. Of course if Armenia were to fight Turkey I see nothing wrong with sending them arms.
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The radical antifa scum will also attack ordinary right wing conservatives and patriotards because they believe that they give cover to the skinheads and various NS groups.
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It's really very simple

There are pro Kremlin system nationalists, similar to conservatives in the US, you know the types, for god and country, not really anti semitic, and then there are blood and soil racial nationalists who fight the jew.

Now there are some issues on which they both agree, like for example national sovereignty, a strong military and hatred of western backed NGOs, but their visions for the country are completely different. One is racial the other is civic nationalism.

A group like 'Young Russia' are system nationalists, but of course for the west even this type of nationalism {light} is seen as a threat. If you are not an all out liberal democrat traitor you are condemned in their global press.
Ok, that's good analysis. Now - what is the comparative size of the two groups? How many system-patriots vs racial-nationalists?
 
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Ok, that's good analysis. Now - what is the comparative size of the two groups? How many system-patriots vs racial-nationalists?

Hmm that's a tough one to answer. I don't want to be getting into numbers but I will say that the racial nationalist element is growing rapidly and is becoming a threat not only to the NWO ZOG but also to the domestic system 'nationalism' as well.
In pure numbers there are more patriotards but as the NS movement continues to get stronger I can see many of these types eventually joining the ranks of the racial nationalists, or at least not openly going against them. The lower end {masses} of the patriotard movement already have a strong sense of patriotism and they don't like non whites flooding Russia, its just that the leadership of the Kremlin backed 'nationalism' fears this sentiment among normal people and does everything to keep a lid on it. This however cannot go on indefinitely.

The Kremlin is under pressure from two fronts, the western zog and the local racial patriots. It will be interesting to see how all this unfolds.
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Umm... read my post again.

Who is denying that there are patriotards in Russia?

I was merely pointing out that not only patriotards but racial nationalists support Serbs as well, even more so.

Your previous post implied that only Russian patriotards were pro Serbian and that is wrong.

As for Armenians and other orthodox non whites, no one in Russia who is a blood and soil nationalist cares about them and even the patriotards dont go out of their way to support them. Of course if Armenia were to fight Turkey I see nothing wrong with sending them arms.
I understand what you're saying. The Christian firsters have left a bad taste in my mouth lately. We got Armenians and Georgians claiming they are white now because they are Christians in a sea of Muslims. White people shouldn't get caught up in religious wars, especially Jewish constructs like Christianity.
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Thanks for the insights, Serbian. Very informative.
 
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