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Old February 15th, 2011 #1
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Nature created jews, earwigs, lice, and cholera. I don't see why one would celebrate it. Of course it must be taken into account, as its laws are undeniable and unchangeable, but "loving" it? That goes too far. Acknowledging its laws, and appreciating the good things that sometimes outweigh the bad - that's as far as I'll go. If we adopt nature worship or love as an attitude, then we run the risk of not maximizing what we can do within the constraints of its laws. It's wrong to pretend there is something outside of and superior to nature (the christ cult's god), but it's also wrong to act like laws we are subject to whether we like it or not, and often we hate it, were designed for our benefit. They weren't designed, and they don't benefit us or any other species really, since 99.9% of all species are extinct, and my god look at what's left. Itz enough to scare a buzzard off a shitwagon, these "winners"!
 
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Lice, blood sucking ticks, and parasitic jews all exist in the natural world, but we should only celebrate nature when we have demonstrated the ability of our species to overcome them.
 
Old February 15th, 2011 #3
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I like Nature. To me it's kind of a replacement for god. That doesn't mean I worship it.

From the time I was a little kid I always liked the outdoors, especially forests. It's neat just to be out in it, watching things hunt each other and maybe killing something yourself if it is hunting season. I don't hunt anymore, and never was really too into it, but I think there is something about killing your own food that is healthy.

I have spent hours at a time watching things like wasps stinging spiders (they just paralyze them) and then sealing them up in a mud nest after laying eggs in them. Or eagles killing ducks, or a coyote digging around in a meadow catching mice. Nature in action.
 
Old February 16th, 2011 #4
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Without nature and all of the various organisms within, what would we have to compare ourselves to?

Only different types of human and sub-human, interesting.

I find your analogies in which you take various acts that are commonplace in nature and then compare or associate them with behaviors found in the sub-species of humans that aryans do batlle with to be compelling.

I often hear you to refer to the mindset of liberals and religous types as being that of a "the way things should be" or believing in a reality that exists simul'taneously with ours.

Is nature a perfect counterpoint? Convincing species that have been doing battle for millions of years of an alternate reality other then the one they base their day to day movements on would be difficult. The lion and hyenna have a very human-like hatred for each other, is this because their realities are based on a more instinctive level? Or is this a classic case of a species not letting a sub-species drive it out. The bad will always drive out the good. I've heard that somewhere, can't remember where. How do we re-establish this very nature-based instinct in whites? Or is it an instinct that can only be found in very small percentage people? In nature, only the strongest, toughest, and most resourceful of a species is allowed to reproduce. Can that be considered a factor in the 99.9% of all species are now extinct fact.

I don't think nature should be worshipped, but it should be looked to and attempted to be understood with a very healthy respect.
 
Old February 16th, 2011 #5
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Without nature and all of the various organisms within, what would we have to compare ourselves to?
Angels and 'godd.' According to christ cult, we are between angels and beasts. Higher than one, lower than the other. Between. There's a word for this view, and that word is: wrong.

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Only different types of human and sub-human, interesting.

I find your analogies in which you take various acts that are commonplace in nature and then compare or associate them with behaviors found in the sub-species of humans that aryans do batlle with to be compelling.
It's natural to make such. Pierce did this, and Strom did it. Stephen Whittle in England is in jail for doing it.

It is natural, and truly there are many astonishing animals and insects out there, which are pretty much unknown to most people. Studying those relationships tends naturally to call up relations between so-called human species. I mean, there is an astonishing range of intra- and inter-species relationships, astonishingly complex, often involving multiple species. Animals use fake looks, fake scents, fake calls to confuse and confound predators and competitors. Even fucking plants, just sitting there lollygagging, with the exception of some modest sun stretching, have all kinds of developed defense mechanisms, mostly chemical, but some physical. The world is more astonishing and amazing than it appears at first glance, and it's pretty amazing at first glance. This is why I mock the rockheads who want to dump terra firma for the vast ether-regions of inert gases and exciting dead rocks. We don't even know all the animals that exist on earth, and these nuckfuts want to travel to Mars. It takes a lack of imagination as vast and dessicate as the Great Christian Interochlear Desert to find space as interesting as earth's fauna and flora. Anyway, in biology they point to three types of relationships between creatures - parasitic, symbiotic, and commensalist - and as one studies these things, one can't help but see parallels to jew-human and nigger-human interactions.

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I often hear you to refer to the mindset of liberals and religous types as being that of a "the way things should be" or believing in a reality that exists simul'taneously with ours.
They are fantasists who refuse to bow to reality. The things they want can't happen, only misery created by trying to force it. They do that, then they call the anti-miserists evil hateful extremists. All cults follow this model. They conceive an impossible utopia, suppress anyone who takes a pin of logical questioning to their crazy balloon head-world. Just because people can think doesn't mean they can think clearly. Even if they can think clearly, and perceive clearly, it doesn't mean their accurate thoughts and perceptions won't be trumped by the imaginary world created by their fantasies and enforced by their will. In fact, very often people capable of having such fantasies, and of overcoming external evidence and internal opposition to these fantasies, find it very easy to enforce their insanity on others, because they've become very angry, bellicose, and self-righteous through the steeling that whole psychological process involves, and they simply browbeat the normals into going along. Their character defects have been galvanized into a sword of insanity fully capable of slicing realitarians in half. People who actually respect reality tend to be a lot calmer and more easygoing than cultists, which is why cultists, in some form, usually end up running politics.

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Is nature a perfect counterpoint? Convincing species that have been doing battle for millions of years of an alternate reality other then the one they base their day to day movements on would be difficult. The lion and hyenna have a very human-like hatred for each other, is this because their realities are based on a more instinctive level?
Attributing hate, or any other human emotion or feeling, to animals is called anthropomorphism. Animals don't hate. They compete. Hyena and lion battling for food are doing just that, nothing more. Just as two bucks competing for a doe do not hate each other, they merely do what their drives compel them to do. Humans have those same drives, but also self-awareness. They not only do what they do, they see themselves doing it, and try to justify or explain it to themselves.

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Or is this a classic case of a species not letting a sub-species drive it out. The bad will always drive out the good.
Hyenas and lions are entirely different species. They overlap in their need for meat. But even with lions, I would bet, without having studied, there is some mutual help. For example, maybe the hyenas somehow alert lions to the presence of prey, and in return they sometimes get to steal some chunks and eat the bones of the lions' kill. That's probably not actually the case, but that's how species often interact. Mixture of competition and help, even if inadvertent.

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I've heard that somewhere, can't remember where.
The bad drives out the good is Gresham's Law. It referred only to money. But in practice, it extends to most things. The bad drive out the good, or the lower drive out the higher, because the bad is simpler, less complex. Like Mexicans or niggers vs whites. The mex or nigs need nothing to breed, because they don't plan ahead. Whites think about money, space, time, so they tend to have fewer and higher-quality children. But if a more fruitful race is in the same area, it will tend to displace them, simply because the crude and common is easier to reproduce. It takes a lot of care to produce pedigreed dogs or horses, but it's easy to produce mutts and nags. Not just things, but civilization. It takes a hell of a lot of base painting knowledge, of technique, color, form, to produce a generation from which a da Vinci can spring. That kind of knowledge can disappear much more quickly than it took to develop, and it won't come back again easily. Take a house cards. All human civilizational development is like this. It takes a long time to develop, but it can be destroyed, if not in a second, in a very brief span of time - a single generation. The higher is just plain harder to achieve and sustain than the lowly and inferior. Standards must be acknowledged and upheld, otherwise they don't exist. It's easier to listen to rap and eat bananas than make a paella and write a symphony.

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How do we re-establish this very nature-based instinct in whites? Or is it an instinct that can only be found in very small percentage people? In nature, only the strongest, toughest, and most resourceful of a species is allowed to reproduce.
Eh, they put it like that, but it's kind of an exaggeration. Bluegill come in large and small. The small ones exist because the tiny males swoop in sideways and spray sperm on the female's eggs, the female of the larger bull bluegill. Kind of a pathetic strategy, but it works. There's all kinds of stuff like that in nature. Every possible form of deception is out there. Nature is very much like Mossad - by way of deception is its general rule.

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Can that be considered a factor in the 99.9% of all species are now extinct fact.
Well, the earth has been around for billions of years. That's time for a lot of environmental changes, which tends to help species come and go, as they fit the shifting atmosphere. I use the figure to make a rhetorical point. Actually, it would work well with a christ-cultic WN, because it could be used as an example of the rules of God's creation, and teamed with the various genocides mentioned in the Old Testament, to show that

1) god loves genetic extinction
2) god loves human genetic extinction

This would justify

3) making extinct the people who turned their back on jesus (ie murdered him)

This is 100% as Christianically sound as any other christian policy on race, which is the problem with the religion. It turns in any direction. It's a political vane.

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I don't think nature should be worshipped, but it should be looked to and attempted to be understood with a very healthy respect.
Again, using human emotions or attitudes toward nature is as off-base as using them toward animals.

Nature, the physical world, exists. Certain laws obtain. We don't need to take any attitude toward this - respect, reverence, worship - we simply need, if our desire is to stay alive and functional, to take these laws, as best we understand them and can figure them out, into account. I think even saying "respect" in a sense beyond merely observe, is to go to far. Why should I respect conditions that inhibit my movement. I, sir, would like to fly. With my own arms. Nature says not gonna happen. So I don't see any need to respect conditions imposed by nature I would not impose on myself. I see only my own need to observe nature's laws in order to safeguard my corporeal health.

Three forms of foolish worship, in my book. False idols, these:

nature
god
regulation

None of these will save you, folks.

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Old February 16th, 2011 #6
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A White Nationalist is by definition a nature lover, because nationalist and nature both comes from the same latin word "natus" which means "born". Naive belongs to the same family, just like, of course, nativity. Check this out in a etymological dictionary, if you don't believe me.

So to be a nationalist is to be the one Mother Nature intended you to be, without any embellishments.

I'm a 100% nature lover. I agree with Savitri Devi who once said that she would gladly sacrifice 1 million human beings just to save one tiger in Indias jungle.
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Are the birds scroungers?
He is having it at the birds!

I don't know how to embed a video. In "Life of Brian" there was a funny scene about the birds being mooches.

Mother nature is Awesome! I get a big kick out of hiking in the woods or swimming in lakes. When I was young, A vacation would consist of a backpack and boots.
 
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Usually pagan festivals regarding nature are done out of respect (borne of fear) rather than worship. Modern nature worshippers (tree huggers et al) are the lowest of the low. They have no connection to the soil other than their own suicidal altruism.
 
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Modern nature worshippers (tree huggers et al) are the lowest of the low. They have no connection to the soil other than their own suicidal altruism.
Quoted for truth.

They live in a fantasy world. A lot of them are almost as delusional as the xtards.
 
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Usually pagan festivals regarding nature are done out of respect (borne of fear) rather than worship. Modern nature worshippers (tree huggers et al) are the lowest of the low. They have no connection to the soil other than their own suicidal altruism.
True.

The modern neo-Pagan fad is a left wing movement designed to create rainbow warriors.

They tap into the anti-capitaliic undercurrents and sentiments and turn them into useful idiots.
 
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This thread illustrates my point. Nature "lovers" don't grasp what "nature" entails. They think nature = tigers.
 
Old February 16th, 2011 #12
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A White Nationalist is by definition a nature lover,
No, they aren't. You can observe nature's rules without any need to love it.

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because nationalist and nature both comes from the same latin word "natus" which means "born". Naive belongs to the same family, just like, of course, nativity. Check this out in a etymological dictionary, if you don't believe me.
So, you're akin to everything born? You're one with a leech? You feel a unity with the gonnorhea virus that now contains human DNA?

Even christ-lunacy is reasonable next to this.

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So to be a nationalist is to be the one Mother Nature intended you to be, without any embellishments.
Garbage. Nature doesn't intend anything, only people intend. The attribution of thoughts and feelings to inanimate objects is stupid.

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I'm a 100% nature lover. I agree with Savitri Devi who once said that she would gladly sacrifice 1 million human beings just to save one tiger in Indias jungle.
Devi was largely a crank, maybe 10% better than the christ cultists.

Ok, to save one tiger, we're going to kill your grandfather and girlfriend. Sorry, they came up on the list of 1,000,000 who need to be sacrificed for one giant undomesticated housecat with bad breath.

Romantic fanboyism does not go with nature, which is just as nasty as it is nice.

No one loves the nasty part of nature, just the things in it they pretend are the whole.
 
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Nature created jews, earwigs, lice, and cholera.
I don't know about you, but I would think that bugs just might take exception to you lumping them in with jews (though all are of the same vermin genus). That is somewhat of a backhanded insult you know.

What, you want an infestation of tiny little bugs with their adorable little protest signs storming in here and wreaking havoc? I can see it now: "Boycott Roach-Racist VNNF!", "We're Cleaner Than Jews, Damn it!" and "VNNF Unfair To Lice, Ticks And Maggots!"

Think, Alex, think!

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Usually pagan festivals regarding nature are done out of respect (borne of fear) rather than worship. Modern nature worshippers (tree huggers et al) are the lowest of the low. They have no connection to the soil other than their own suicidal altruism.
Almost to the point of being obsessively fearful. The ancients in all cultures saw great doings on land and in sky from nature. Life shattering earthly and cosmic events that we moderns lightly refer to as myths attributed to "primitive peoples". A tree hugger wouldn't last 3 days alone in the woods with nothing but trees to hug.
 
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I like the parts of nature that are edible. To be fair, a good deal of nature is waiting to find out how edible I am.

No problem, Bon Appetit, mes amis.


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White Nationalism is very nature-friendly as it advocates stopping the brainwashed irrational support of White aid and resources to keep going the overreproduction of muds, e.g. the no. 1 cause of environment degradation today. In a way, it is the true ecologism.
 
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Since the beginning of the cosmos, two forces have struggled and warred for dominance within the breast of man, the light force and the dark force. Every individual is a mixture, part light and part darkness, in differing amounts -- only saints and Gods are all one or the other, and even that is arguable. This world, all of nature, is the field upon which these two forces strive for mastery.

Each individual wages this struggle on a daily basis, subtly (or greatly) altering the mixture of the light and dark seeds within him with every decision he makes, every deed he performs or fails to perform. Every act of heroism increases the light within one; every act of cowardice increases the darkness within one.

On the scale of the cosmic Gods, the light force may be typified by ARYANOS, warrior lord of light and honor and civilization.


The dark force may likewise be typified by JUDEX, a hunched, twisted, treacherous being who feeds upon the growth of the seeds of darkness within humans just as Aryanos feeds and grows strong from the seeds of light that increase within us.


Throughout our existence upon this plane -- and beyond it -- our lives either nourish one or the other of these cosmic entities and may collectively tip the balance of their titanic struggle one way or the other.

The final outcome is far from decided or predestined.
 
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True.

The modern neo-Pagan fad is a left wing movement designed to create rainbow warriors.

They tap into the anti-capitaliic undercurrents and sentiments and turn them into useful idiots.
Environmentalism itself is becoming a religion, especially among urban atheists.
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I don't know about you, but I would think that bugs just might take exception to you lumping them in with jews (though all are of the same vermin genus). That is somewhat of a backhanded insult you know.

What, you want an infestation of tiny little bugs with their adorable little protest signs storming in here and wreaking havoc? I can see it now: "Boycott Roach-Racist VNNF!", "We're Cleaner Than Jews, Damn it!" and "VNNF Unfair To Lice, Ticks And Maggots!"

Think, Alex, think!

I have thought. And the fruit of that labor is this:

If jews regard us as cattle...

...then we are within our reason to regard them as...

...vermin.

And as it is their job to herd, milk, carve into steaks the stock...

...so it is our job to make the kikenvermin go the way of that other species responsible for termitic activity.

How's that for thought?
 
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To love nature is the same as accept it. That's the only intelligent thing to to, because no-one can really change nature, only give a impression of change.

You can either love/accept nature and try to cooperate with it as far as possible, or you can hate nature and wage a war against it.

The only group of people I know of who wholeheartedly hates nature are a certain religious-ethnical-cultural group, dispersed in every nation around the world. They not only hates nature, they hate just about everything in the whole universe, including themselves.

Guess who they are?

A clue: Both capitalism and communism are wars against nature.
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