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Another song before Akins wakes up.....

 
Old May 1st, 2012 #744
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Could you make a pic of you in the glaring John Wayne Gacy clown paint, skull lapel pin, and tiny plastic brigadier general Uncle Sam hat with elastic neckband while wearing your kilt in front of your shoji doors? Then we could more effectively get out your message that costumed WN's hurt the cause, not help. If you won't make the pic, Yevgeny might photoshop it.

 
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Haven't read one post in this thread. Is he or it really worth all this time and effort? Anything being accomplished here?
 
Old May 1st, 2012 #746
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Boy, you have a crank theory for everything, don't you?
There are actually facts. If you knew about the subject.

Ted Bundy.
Born to unwed Mother Louise Cowell.
The identity of his father has never been determined with certainty.
Through out his life he did not know his birth father.

He told his girlfriend that a cousin showed him a copy of his birth certificate after calling him a "bastard",[10]

Bundy expressed a lifelong resentment toward his mother for lying about his true parentage and leaving him to discover it for himself.[13]

At least once he flew into a violent rage when the question of Ted's paternity was raised.[16]

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

All the girls he murdered looked like his first murder victim Stefanie Brooks, who looked like his mother.
Rule noted that most of the identified victims had long straight hair, parted in the middle—like Stephanie Brooks, the woman who rejected him, and to whom he later became engaged and then rejected in return. Rule speculated that Bundy's animosity toward his first girlfriend triggered his protracted rampage and caused him to target victims who resembled her.[282]

He deflected blame onto the absence of his biological father, the concealment of his true parentage...[304]
Rule and Aynesworth.

The evidence shows Bundy flew into a rage about being called a Bastard. That he had lifelong resentment against his mother. Bundy even himself admitted his mother concealing he was an illegitimate Bastard, was the cause, according to Rule and Aynesworth.



Louise Cowell Bundy - Ted Bundy's mother, humiliated him being a "Bastard".


Stephanie Brooks - humiliated Ted Bundy

He went on to kill at least 35 women who looked like his mother and Brooks. It still is not known if his mother was impregnated by her father, thus Bundy's flipside insanity kicked in.

He didn't kill his mother or Brooks, but he disconnected from reality completely, seemingly to live in the necrophilia world, keeping the heads of his look-alike Mother and Brooks victims, as trophies.

It would seem that at a certain point his anger and rage towards his mother combined with his anger and rage towards Brooks, compounded by the genetic instability of incest inbreeding, caused him to completely break with life and reality. It was probably all three factors that pushed him over the edge. He should have been caught after the first murder and he should have been executed then.

Ted Bundy makes a good case for abortion.

Being that Bundy was likely the product of incest, which has a high probability of insanity, his mother should have aborted him.


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If it were their nature, they wouldn't proceed to it by degrees and decisions, nor would they be sickened by it until they had done it enough times they got used to it. There might be some who are born killers -- the ones who are scarecely out of the twat before they begin killing kittens -- but Bundy was clearly not one of these - he made himself into Ted Bundy by his decisions, and he acknowledged this.
It's not an absolute. Being inherently predisposed to certain 'deviances' so to speak is not the same as destiny, at least not in any given form. For some, like Bundy, there's that whole double-nature thing ontop of it (often mistaken for split-personality by laymen, which is a completely different thing entirely). Either way this was just a drive-by distinction I made, not to open up the nature-vs-nurture of human behavior. However I couldn't disagree more with the theory of the proverbial all-social/enviroment construct of a killer (not that this was your argument) like Celtic Patriot's freudian-nurture explanation.
 
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However I couldn't disagree more with the theory of the proverbial all-social/enviroment construct of a killer (not that this was your argument) like Celtic Patriot's freudian-nurture explanation.
I actually stated that genetics was a component of Bundy, likely from what may be family incest. This genetic incest created an insane mind. The social component, that of the Shame of being an illegitimate bastard child, falls under Jung with his "Shame is a soul eating emotion".


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Those pictures you just spammed --- spamming, which is all your stupid, repetitive, internet Scotsman-wannabe character annex shtick and your worthless ass seem to do --- don't prove anything.

Do what Swede and Ian asked you to do, or else you're indeed a fake. It's not like you haven't posted pictures before, fuck, it's all you have been doing so far! So there's no excuse not to do so.

I do believe I was the first to suggest it, not that it matters, but just sayin'.

The SLA who wrote the Lebor has put so much stuff online pertaining to his life that it would be easy to fake his identity online. That other people have tried to discredit his work could be genuine faults with the work, jealousy, or just plain bitterness. People get pretty obsessive about these things and I wouldn't put it past someone to come here and SF because of the Hess connection and sign up in the name of SLA in order to further discredit him. A quick phone shot of him holding a sign saying VNN - Keeping Stupidity At Bay (harder to photoshop than just plain VNN) would prove it's the real SLA.


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There is one that you seem to be overlooking:

It's not in my nature to comply with demands made by others.
Of course not. But it's also not in many of our natures to hook, line and sinker everything we're told, either. You absolutely don't have to comply with the request. By the same token, we don't have to believe you're the SLA who wrote the Lebor.
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There is one that you seem to be overlooking:

It's not in my nature to comply with demands made by others.
It's crystal clear that you are a troll. Anyone here can just pick up the phone and call the real Akins. And ask him if he posts in a vnn forum.


Or you can prove us all wrong. But, you can't can you.
 
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I actually stated that genetics was a component of Bundy
Yes I missed your latest post when I wrote that.

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likely from what may be family incest. This genetic incest created an insane mind.
Regarding incest, there's no seperate ailment caused by "inbreeding" or such, it's merely the coupling/increase of either negative or positive 'baggage', so it does not create anything by itself. It all has to do with what is in the given genetic 'baggage'. The denial of positive eugenics and human nature is the, imo, singlemost important issue where our folks need to take heed and make a stand first and foremost, as the "all else"-issues would reasonably follow suit thereafter.

And... well, Bundy did have relatives with an assortment of mental problems, himself not being able to relate well to other people or to emotionally understand friendship, feel actual guilt or remose (which is typical for people having one form or another of anti-social disorder).

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Yes I missed your latest post when I wrote that.

Regarding incest, there's no seperate ailment caused by "inbreeding" or such, it's merely the coupling/increase of either negative or positive 'baggage', so it does not create anything by itself. It all has to do with what is in the given genetic 'baggage'. The denial of positive eugenics and human nature is the, imo, singlemost important issue where our folks need to take heed and make a stand first and foremost, as the "all else"-issues would reasonably follow suit thereafter.

And... well, Bundy did have relatives with an assortment of mental problems, himself not being able to relate well to other people or to emotionally understand friendship, feel actual guilt or remose (which is typical for people having one form or another of anti-social disorder).
There is a 1967 Lancet study on the offspring of incest.

A study on birth defects for children of incest yielded 14% mild mental illness, and 11% severe mental illness.

Source: "Risks to Offspring of Incest" The Lancet, 1967, vol 189, p 436.
Bundy had the same genetic sadistic streak as his maternal grandfather, his mother's father. Which if he was the product of incest, would have been a double genetic weight on him. He was not only the recipient of very violent sadistic genetics, but compounded by severe insanity due to the incest genetics.

If Ted Bundy was indeed the offspring of incest, then his genetics would be prone to severe insanity, which clearly he exhibited, along with a pathological hatred of a certain type of woman. Genetic violence, genetic incest, environmental shame.

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Haven't read one post in this thread. Is he or it really worth all this time and effort? Anything being accomplished here?
Think of this thread as a safety valve venting much of the noxious gas spewed by Akins into a controlled environment rather than having it contaminate many much more interesting and pertinent threads.
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There is a 1967 Lancet study on the offspring of incest.

A study on birth defects for children of incest yielded 14% mild mental illness, and 11% severe mental illness.

Source: "Risks to Offspring of Incest" The Lancet, 1967, vol 189, p 436.
That's quite an old study, but I have no reason to think it is wrong. My previous point was basically just to note that the inbreeding itself isn't the creator of any such defects, so any such cases woild differ depending on the relevant gene-pool used. It's just that when two genetic lineages share the same defects, the chance that it will manifest is greater if the two have children. And of course, if people who are more closely related would breed then by default it increases the odds for any defect, eccentricity or trait lying around in their baggage to manifest in subsequent offspring.
 
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It's not an absolute. Being inherently predisposed to certain 'deviances' so to speak is not the same as destiny, at least not in any given form.
You argued it was their nature, I argued against that, which you are now picking up yourself without realizing it. Humans have the ability to choose. But if 999/1000 choose one way rather than another, it begs the question how real that choice is. The Catholic personality experts will point to the one, but I'm going to give some weight to the 999. Both free will and a fixed nature are valid approaches. It's like with crime: you look at the individual, and blame him for his decisions, but you also look at the group, race for instance, and can conclude valid truths about that level.

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For some, like Bundy, there's that whole double-nature thing ontop of it (often mistaken for split-personality by laymen, which is a completely different thing entirely). Either way this was just a drive-by distinction I made, not to open up the nature-vs-nurture of human behavior. However I couldn't disagree more with the theory of the proverbial all-social/enviroment construct of a killer (not that this was your argument) like Celtic Patriot's freudian-nurture explanation.
CP has picked up one of a number of competing explanations, and since he likes it, that means it's true and the rest are bogus. He's a crank. Everyone else is always wrong, and he knows the truth about everything. In my opinion, and I can defend it, but that's all it is, Bundy is a case that very easily could have gone a different way. He could have matured, found a woman, eased his social difficulties, and had a successful life. He had in fact in much of his earlier shown himself intelligent and competent. But his extreme unease led him to consider choosing, and then choosing, and then becoming compulsively addicted to, the darkest forms of behavior. Bundy took blame for his own actions, and he overtly accepts this in his interviews. He doesn't blame pornography, his mother, his father, or anybody else for what he became. It was his own choices that determined his outcome.

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Could you make a pic of you in the glaring John Wayne Gacy clown paint, skull lapel pin, and tiny plastic brigadier general Uncle Sam hat with elastic neckband while wearing your kilt in front of your shoji doors? Then we could more effectively get out your message that costumed WN's hurt the cause, not help. If you won't make the pic, Yevgeny might photoshop it.

Sorry, but, like Swede, Ian, Bev and others pointed out: It's not clear, at this point, whether these pictures are even of "Steven L. Akins" or that "Steven L. Akins" is actually who he is. This may just be a typical identity theft case and I'm therefore a bit reluctant.

I could make something, using different yet similar pictures, with the same message.
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You argued it was their nature, I argued against that, which you are now picking up yourself without realizing it.
Well I still argue that is was their nature. Treating the term "nature" or "nurture" (for that matter) as absolutes is incorrect and will only lead to misconceptions of the issue. If trait X requries a predisposition lodged in the given man's nature, it can reasonably be said that he exhibits that trait because of his nature. This does not exclude guidance or influence from his surrounding enviroment, which can either encumber, to an extent numb or even facilitate in jolting said trait.

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But if 999/1000 choose one way rather than another, it begs the question how real that choice is. The Catholic personality experts will point to the one, but I'm going to give some weight to the 999. Both free will and a fixed nature are valid approaches. It's like with crime: you look at the individual, and blame him for his decisions, but you also look at the group, race for instance, and can conclude valid truths about that level.
Of course. I don't particulary disagree with anything above, neither do I understand how it contradicts what I previously stated.

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In my opinion, and I can defend it, but that's all it is, Bundy is a case that very easily could have gone a different way. He could have matured, found a woman, eased his social difficulties, and had a successful life. He had in fact in much of his earlier shown himself intelligent and competent. But his extreme unease led him to consider choosing, and then choosing, and then becoming compulsively addicted to, the darkest forms of behavior. Bundy took blame for his own actions, and he overtly accepts this in his interviews. He doesn't blame pornography, his mother, his father, or anybody else for what he became. It was his own choices that determined his outcome.
He would have to have been predisposed with a pressing potential of becoming what he became, choosing what he did. He explained many times how he was not really able to feel guilt or remorse on behalf of other people at all, and that he didn't really understand interpersonal relations. Reportedly, he had shown a variety of odd and 'dark' behaviour throughout his upbringing, though nothing to the extent where one would be able to in any way predict what he would eventually do. There are countless of people coming out of the same background, home-rearing and social circumstances like Bundy. Yet it is a freak occurence for anyone, regardless of childhood, upbringing or education to become a serial killer. It is one of those phenomenas where we can only really safely assume a genetic predisposition is the active ingredience. Certainly, there are other variables as well, but there's no real way of approximating them as a general rule.
I do know there are those who would use such a predisposition as an excuse on behalf of the killer in question, but that is so often a fallacy by itself as such killers tend to be very much aware of what they are doing.

Take proverbial psychopaths for example. Barely any such individual are judged legally insane, as one of the necessary qualifications to be considered legally insane is that the perp in question does not intellectually comprehend what he has done as he was doing it. Emotionally they can be dead as a rock, they are still sane according to the law while not clinically.

Also, as a curiosa I did recently read, after having refreshed the info a bit, that he did blame pornography but apparently/allegedly this was at the end and was considered an appeal to his physician who was a stark christian, and perhaps as a way to postpone his execution.
 
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