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Old June 12th, 2012 #61
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But if they hadn't killed Christ you would have a "Savior."
It was Yahweh's will that the Jews demanded Jesus be crucified by the Romans.

Christians believe Yahweh is all-knowing and all-powerful, so Yahweh must have known that Jesus would be crucified even before Yahweh raped the virgin Mary. It was all part of Yahweh's divine plan, like making humans and allowing them to fuck up and then getting pissed off because they did exactly what Yahweh knew they would do, and then Yahweh punishes them all by drowning them in an epic flood for doing exactly what he knew they would do. Cause, you know, that's what kind of a fucked-up god Christians believe in. A god that rapes and murders and torments people for his amusement.

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Old June 12th, 2012 #62
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Sometimes pictures can convey ideas more easily than words (I would rather sit through a slide-show than a sermon). With that in mind, the following should serve as a good start to illustrate "What it means to be White."

Devotion to our offspring:


Having the courage to voice your opinion in public, even if it may not be popular:


Taking pride in one's work:


A love of knowledge:


A desire to better ourselves:


Imagination:


An interest in the good of the community and cooperation:


Love of family:


A respect for custom and tradition:


A sense of duty and obligation:


Respect for and appreciation of our elders:


A taste for adventure and exploration:


Very nice pictures, doesn't matter really who painted them. The painter really captured the soul of the white.
 
Old June 12th, 2012 #63
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They are Beautiful. I'm seeing an X where the image of 'An interest in the good of the community and cooperation' should be. Any ideas?

I'll paint a picture of a woman in front of her house holding a portable car cover in the middle of the street in High winds. She clings arched backwards with all her might holding the thing by one leg. Three cars stop to help her dismantle and stow it. A Police Car stops, observes, drives on.
 
Old June 12th, 2012 #64
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They are Beautiful. I'm seeing an X where the image of 'An interest in the good of the community and cooperation' should be. Any ideas?
It's supposed to be this:



The artist painted himself in the picture. That's Norman Rockwell sitting with a pipe in his mouth at the far left.
 
Old June 12th, 2012 #65
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Very nice. Not so sure of our council here though. Good of the Community the furthest thing from their minds, am certain. Culture under the Bulldozer appears to be all they know.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #66
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I had been enjoying this thread until Fakins took a giant shit in it.

Norman Rockwell was a commie symp, butt-licker of the psychopathic cripple FDR, and who co-opted wholesome Americana to advance the jewish agenda.
Guy makes a serious thread, Akins posts a serious response...then you jump in with this. Anti or ego problems?

I'm not tolerating people pursuing personal vendettas on here, particularly not in threads where people are actually trying to think. Don't do it again. If you have a beef with another poster, keep that where it's appropriate, and that's not in this thread.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #67
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Guy makes a serious thread, Akins posts a serious response...then you jump in with this. Anti or ego problems?

I'm not tolerating people pursuing personal vendettas on here, particularly not in threads where people are actually trying to think. Don't do it again. If you have a beef with another poster, keep that where it's appropriate, and that's not in this thread.
Thank you. I've been meaning to get back to this, but have gotten sidetracked a little. I have been meaning to discuss things a bit further, and would like to focus on what we agree about first - establish the common bonds, then can nit-pick and hash out the things that aren't agreeable.

As far as the relevancy of Akins posting pictures, I mentioned it before, but I think it got lost. Here it is again, for clarity purposes.

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As far as Akins posting pictures - it does actually tie into what I was referring to about the power of association when dealing with the Unaware. A picture is worth a thousand words, as the saying goes. The examples that he posted do speak volumes about the spirit and values of traditional white culture. Those pictures would resonate well with the older generations of the Unaware, but would be lost on more recent generations. It's sad. However, the concept is correct as far as a method of reaching people, we just need to find modernized vesions. It is but a single tool that we need to utilize, and understand.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #68
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I understand, and knew as much going in, that Tolerance of Religion would be a sticking point with people. That is fine, and absolutely understandable and expected.

However, I would like to try something different, that we are not used to doing as WN's, and put aside the things we disagree with for the time being, and instead, discuss the things that seem to be valid - in actuality or theory. There is a shit ton of information in my post. What are the valid points, philosophies, conclusions?

How much do we actually agree upon first? Let's establish that and move from there. Too often, what we agree upon is pushed aside, and plays second fiddle to what we disagree about. It's fine to disagree, and discuss how and why we disagree.....but I believe this should be secondary. We need to find what unites us, and determine if it is stronger than what divides us.

Thoughts?
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #69
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I believe, at a minimum, first and foremost, the goal is to prevent the declining numbers of the white race on this planet. That should be what we are ALL working towards. Keeping our race from being bred out and extinct. Anything and Everything beyond this scope is secondary in nature, this is the MOST important thing.
Political sovereignty is most important. Creatures breed where they feel comfortable. That's a White state. Anything short of that, we'll be fighting uphill. We must subordinate everything to gaining political independence from the jews.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #70
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Political sovereignty is most important. Creatures breed where they feel comfortable. That's a White state. Anything short of that, we'll be fighting uphill. We must subordinate everything to gaining political independence from the jews.
Indeed, and nothing has done as much to give the Jews protected status as Christianity has.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #71
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I believe that religion or lack thereof is a personal choice. I find Anti-White religions such as Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc to be unacceptable. Judeo-Christianity is a serious problem for me as it offers support for Jews and Israel. Whether Christianity originated as a non-white religion or not is a moot point for me. There are two reasons for this. Number one, there is a difference between a Non-White religion and Anti-White religion, and they are not one and the same. Number 2, even with Christianity's non-white ties to the past, over the past 2000 years it has been adopted by white cultures and peoples from around the globe and is an every day belief by whites.
I find no problem or conflict with Atheists, Christians, Pagans, and Agnostics (even though they are annoying) as long as they are not militant in their presentation of their views. We all can and do get along with each other if we respect each other’s religious beliefs, and not attempt to convert or demean another group within the White Religious belief system (or lack thereof). I guess that, in summary, I have tolerance, and believe others should have, for people's religions as long as they are not Anti-White in nature.
Afraid it's not this simple. Your views are ordinary democratic-liberal, which you do not even realize.

Religion is a matter of personal opinion? So, Jesus is not the one true path to salvation, and a path not only open to men of every race, but the path they must take if they want eternal life? That's just your personal view? Not binding on every man?

Your views are a good example of why no one takes christians seriously. You don't even understand your own religion. It is a jewish claim that religion is a private personal matter; the traditional and only real christian view must be that all men must go down the Jesus path or go to hell. What "real" christians want, whether protestant or catholic, is a religious state in which their kooky cult is the basis of the social order, just as it was in the Middle Ages, or in some hamlet dominated by a protestant sect.

Very far from a matter of personal opinion, christianity is a set of assertions about the world that are in direct competition with the racialist worldview common to White Nationalists. Not to mention that all serious christian religious leaders agree with the jewish communists who coined the term that 'racism' is immoral, and that the eternal souls of all men are of priceless value. Christians don't want to clear muds out of white living space, they either want to live with the muds, or they want to convert the muds. This mentality, leaving aside the jews for the moment, is what led to our current condition. The christian says genocide is immoral, yet genocide is nature's way: 99% of the species that ever existed are extinct. If God created this world, then he intended for species to come and go, and there is no reason at all to think he desires the protection, preservation and perpetuation of any particular one.

The racialist worldview is based in biology and says nothing more than we are White and desire to live in a world good for our people. We assert no unprovable absolutes. Our worldview is stronger than the christian because it is a preference backed by willpower.

Bottom line: you don't understand christianity. You don't take it seriously enough to grasp its principles, and to see that it is irreconcilable with a racial worldview.

Look at the civil war. You had the christ cultists on both sides. One side says, we must liberate the niggers immediately; to do anything less is immoral. The other side says, God created slavery so that we could be our brother's keeper, and teach him the Word, and raise him up civilizationally until he could stand on his own two feet.

How did these views work out?

With hundreds of thousands of white men killed, all because of the christian bible, and the insanity it induces in men who can't think clearly.

Christ-insanity is a worldview competitive with White Nationalism, and which must be subordinated to it in any White state. The most it can ever expect in a White state is to be just what you said: a matter of impotent personal belief with no social or political significance insofar as serious matters are concerned. I have written out my ideas in Strategy section and other places. At most christians could have a white microstate within the racial nation, under the collective or federal/national racial umbrella. In this arrangement, of course, there would be no muds or jews for the christians to play with; they would all have been killed, deported or emigrated long before. The inherent universalism of the church would still be there, as a potential problem, but rendered ineffectual because there would be no muds for it to operate on. And if this were not enough, stronger measures would be taken. With strong White institutions common and socially approved in the new state, the interest in the church would likely die, as Aryan quality people are inherently attracted to strength, not the church's weakness.

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Old June 21st, 2012 #72
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Political sovereignty is most important. Creatures breed where they feel comfortable. That's a White state. Anything short of that, we'll be fighting uphill. We must subordinate everything to gaining political independence from the jews.
Agreed. Political sovereignty is the means to the end, in this case. In order for whites to repopulate above the replacement rate (significantly), there must be an environment in which the populace feels safe and secure (not just physically, but emotionally, philosopically, financially, etc).

I believe the ultimate goal is the preservation and propagation of the White Race. The ultimate means to this goal is the creation of an autonomous state. I think that goal is a long ways off, however. What are the stepping stones, or mile markers, along the way to that goal that you see as important and achieveable? How do we incrementally reach that point? And what needs to be done to reach those increments?
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #73
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Indeed, and nothing has done as much to give the Jews protected status as Christianity has.
That's why I've devoted radio and writing hours to explaining
Sicut_Judaeis Sicut_Judaeis
Non, the catholic church's traditional position on jews - a position that obtains today - and how it dogmatically prevents the faithful from coming to accurate conclusions about the nature of jews and the threat they present and the necessary countermeasures. The church binds its members to believing the only problem with jews is they don't accept Christ. Thus it has no solution to the problem caused by jews other than to convert them. At most it acknowledges they can present some social problems, and should be prevented from this, but what 2,000 years of history shows is that this is not enough. Jews always end up being let back in, and causing the same problems all over again. After 2,000 years, jews know how to work christian-Aryan society, and, thanks to our racial technical genius, they now have the tools (mass media and weaponry) to leverage their knowledge in ways they never could before - ways leading to the genocide of our people if they are not stopped. One can point to the subversion or fulfillment of the church at Vatican II for further proof that SJN doesn't work, but the catholics themselves are too intellectually cowardly and stupid to figure out what has happened - even after it has happened. Well, as Jesus actually said, "On this pedo, I found this church."

WN should rejoice in the destruction of the jebus cult by the jews - it affords us a real opening to reclaim our people's minds.

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Old June 21st, 2012 #74
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The most it can ever expect in a White state is to be just what you said: a matter of impotent personal belief with no social or political significance insofar as serious matters are concerned. I have written out my ideas in Strategy section and other places. At most christians could have a white microstate within the racial nation, under the collective or federal/national racial umbrella. In this arrangement, of course, there would be no muds or jews for the christians to play with; they would all have been killed, deported or emigrated long before. The inherent universalism of the church would still be there, as a potential problem, but rendered ineffectual because there would be no muds for it to operate on. And if this were not enough, stronger measures would be taken. With strong White institutions common and socially approved in the new state, the interest in the church would likely die, as Aryan quality people are inherently attracted to strength, not the church's weakness.
Agreed 100%. I think there was serious misunderstandings about what I was inferring.

I do find it somewhat interesting, when it comes to religion, that almost all civilized religions (I use that term loosely) do share several core moral values (secular) that most of us agree upon. Things like stealing, rape, murder (not self defense), blatant gluttony, etc are almost universally condemned by religions across the world. I see no problem with recognizing that some of the virtures and morals that we consider examples of "White Behavior" are also "teachings" of various religions.

However, I do not EVER want to live in a "Religious State". Like you said much better than I, "The most it can ever expect in a White state is to be just what you said: a matter of impotent personal belief with no social or political significance insofar as serious matters are concerned."

I'm glad this was cleared up, because it is such a sticking point, and only a very small portion of what I talked about.

I think I'm going to spend quite a few hours reading the Strategies section.
 
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Agreed. Political sovereignty is the means to the end, in this case. In order for whites to repopulate above the replacement rate (significantly), there must be an environment in which the populace feels safe and secure (not just physically, but emotionally, philosopically, financially, etc).

I believe the ultimate goal is the preservation and propagation of the White Race. The ultimate means to this goal is the creation of an autonomous state. I think that goal is a long ways off, however. What are the stepping stones, or mile markers, along the way to that goal that you see as important and achieveable? How do we incrementally reach that point? And what needs to be done to reach those increments?
You're no worse than others, but, sigh...

When you come to a new place, isn't your first instinct to look around and check things out before talking or getting too involved?

Read some of the stuff down-forum. Look in strategy section. I'll post a link here in a minute.

I've covered all this stuff many times. I might be wrong, but my views are out there.

The first step, in my view, if you want to create an actual, serious, real-world political vehicle (party or something else, like Golden Dawn), is to get men who can provide physical security and FBI/ADL-level intelligence. That must be the kernel. Without that kernel, your organization will be infiltrated and its leaders personally destroyed.

If you had that kernel, along with a few hundred soldiers willing to kill and die, and a few top-quality lawyers/speakers/writers, I believe you could run through the soft-cheesy American right just the way Hitler did.

People don't join us out of fear. Not because they don't agree with us. This is what the SF cult doesn't understand or deliberately hides.

We must understand - our cause is mere normality. It's not some extreme weird thing. That's the enemy. That's what the enemy lies about us. We are just for the stuff in the Rockwell paintings, as Akins pointed out. On the deepest level, probably 98% of whites are on our side.

But that support will remain latent while there are steep personal costs to joining us.

I'll try to make it even simpler.

Who does the average white guy marry? A white girl.

Where does the average white guy relocate? 85% of the time, to a Whiter area.

The average white guy is a white nationalist.

No matter what his lips says, his feet and behavior shows the truth.

But this support will only become real and full when it has leadership to follow. The average man is not a hero. Our arguments will never persuade him because a) he already believes what we're saying, as proved by his most serious actions; and, b) because it's not a matter of argument, it's a matter of fear and risk and personal safety.

No one is going to join a group that offers you the prospect of losing your job, becoming hated and shunned in your neighborhood.

Until we overcome that legitimate fear, we will attract none but rare idealists, heroes, weirdoes, intellectuals, riff-raff.

The truth is that Whites have organized 100x over the course of the last century. And all their attempts have been destroyed, usually by criminal means, by the federal government/jews, which is largely the same thing. But this FACT, this most basic political FACT, is denied by Stormfront's leaders and the professional conservatives MacDonald has foolishly led his people to follow.
 
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Agreed 100%. I think there was serious misunderstandings about what I was inferring.

I do find it somewhat interesting, when it comes to religion, that almost all civilized religions (I use that term loosely) do share several core moral values (secular) that most of us agree upon. Things like stealing, rape, murder (not self defense), blatant gluttony, etc are almost universally condemned by religions across the world. I see no problem with recognizing that some of the virtures and morals that we consider examples of "White Behavior" are also "teachings" of various religions.
Do you really think original Aryan culture wasn't against lying, murdering, stealing, etc? Of course it was. What's new in christ-insanity isn't good, and what's good isn't new.

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However, I do not EVER want to live in a "Religious State". Like you said much better than I, "The most it can ever expect in a White state is to be just what you said: a matter of impotent personal belief with no social or political significance insofar as serious matters are concerned."
What can be compromised and what can't? Race can't be compromised. We simply can't allow any disagreement on, as Hitler said, the state as a vehicle for protecting the race. Now, beneath that level, the rest of the stuff can be compromised. The rest of the stuff, none of us agrees on. That's why I advise a bunch of microstates under a racial federal level, with Defenders or Guardians having that racial protection as their only function. Beneath that, we could separate as we see fit. I would personally live in a libertarian state, because I like being left alone, and don't like being tyrannized into paying taxes to support so-called public schools. Other whites like Akins want cradle-to-grave socialism. Others want to try to redo the Catholic middle ages. But the one thing that can't be compromised on is race, for the simple biological reason that when you mix subspecies, as races more or less are, one drives out or kills off the other. The rest of the stuff is not vital (life or death) - so long as we can go our separate ways.

We are not just Whites, we are Men. Both those need to be taken into consideration. The proper way, in my view, is white freedom within an impenetrable racial shell. For whites who disagree on race, they can die fighting us or move outside our new country. Or, if they're born into our new society and find at majority they don't like it, they can leave, provided their leaving does not pose a threat to us.

And this is as close to utopia as we can get on this earth, in my view. It offers the maximum freedom for the white man, so long as he does not threaten the collective interest in living in a Rockwellian socity by his desire for profit, ideological perversity, or whatever.

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I'd appreciate it. I've tried to arrange stuff here fairly well, but I could always do better, even if copying these essays multiple places.
 
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"[The Jews] ought to suffer no prejudice. We, out of the meekness of Christian piety, and in keeping in the footprints or Our predecessors of happy memory, the Roman Pontiffs Calixtus, Eugene, Alexander, Clement, admit their petition, and We grant them the buckler of Our protection. For We make the law that no Christian compel them, unwilling or refusing, by violence to come to baptism. But, if any one of them should spontaneously, and for the sake of the faith, fly to the Christians, once his choice has become evident, let him be made a Christian without any calumny. Indeed, he is not considered to possess the true faith of Christianity who is not recognized to have come to Christian baptism, not spontaneously, but unwillingly. Too, no Christian ought to presume...to injure their persons, or with violence to take their property, or to change the good customs which they have had until now in whatever region they inhabit. Besides, in the celebration of their own festivities, no one ought disturb them in any way, with clubs or stones, nor ought any one try to require from them or to extort from them services they do not owe, except for those they have been accustomed from times past to perform. ...We decree... that no one ought to dare mutilate or diminish a Jewish cemetery, nor, in order to get money, to exhume bodies once they have been buried. If anyone, however, shall attempt, the tenor of this degree once known, to go against it...let him be punished by the vengeance of excommunication, unless he correct his presumption by making equivalent satisfaction."

- Sicut Judaeis, 1120 AD
Pretty much the official position of most Western governments that have come under Jewish influence even to this day.

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Pretty much the official position of most Western governments that have come under Jewish influence even to this day.
I'm not absolutely sure SJN is still official policy, but if it's not, the revision will have been, of course, to make it even more philo-semitic.

Everything about what we should do for the jews, and nothing about what they are doing to us. It's insane.
 
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I'm not absolutely sure SJN is still official policy, but if it's not, the revision will have been, of course, to make it even more philo-semitic.

Everything about what we should do for the jews, and nothing about what they are doing to us. It's insane.
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I'm embarrassed to say I can't find where I wrote at length about my philosophy, white-man-ism, vs the socialist/NS philosophy of white-ant-ism.

Anyway, my basic idea is that a new White state (no muds or jews, just Whites), will be governed at the highest level by Guardians, however these are set up institutionally. Protecting the race will be the only function of the national level of government.

The rest of the arrangements will be handled by white men themselves. They will live in microstates set up according to their tastes - socialist, catholic, libertarian, other.

Idea is that white men are both White and Men, and both their individual and collective natures should be respected.

White men can only flourish in a White context.

Without a White context, the creativity, beauty and individuation will disappear.

So it will be a capital matter to try to change the racial basis of the state.

The feds will run the nukes and whatever else they need to do to protect the race.

The rest will be left to white men to arrange as they see fit.

I claim nothing more for my 'system' than that it is preferable to others. I claim no special backing from god, nature or any other imaginary force.

The only special idea I have for the Guardians, who will be an intellectual, physical and moral elite modeled on elite white protective forces through history, is that we do a formal, ritual blood sacrifice, annually, with the victim drawn by lottery from the names of everybody who receives money to be part of the protective elite. This is one way to help protect against corruption, since there will be a small but real risk of losing your life; helping to ensure that people join the Guardians for the right motive (of course they will also have to pre-prove their qualifications on the moral, intellectual and physical fronts).

I'm open to discussions on how the federal/national government umbrella racial defense would be paid for. I'm open to the scope of the definition of racial protection.

Anyway, that's my nutshell idea for how we arrange things

AFTER WE HAVE WON THE REVOLUTION AND HAVE RESTORED WHITE POLITICAL SOVEREIGNTY AND INDEPENDENCE IN SOME PARTICULAR SPACE.

My ideas about the earlier part - how we go from where we are today to regaining that power, are expressed in 2-3 threads in the Strategy section. They amount to polarizing America between WN and jews, and fighting it out. Achieving that polarization by first destroying our competitors on the right, the professional conservatives.

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