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Old August 13th, 2012 #21
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They deserve to executed by the old-fashioned Vigilantes / Lynch Mobs, all forms of Real Justice that existed before WWII.

See? White Lynch Mobs were right....at least 99% of the time!
 
Old August 13th, 2012 #22
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Yeah, well, that info can be included there too. I use queer in the fifties sense, when it was the word commonly used for poofs. It is the only word that gets at the essential thing: the problem with these creatures is something is wrong in their head.



Queers is a better word for that. It sounds more devious. Fag just sounds like someone dumb. It can be used as a general insult, not just a reference to homos.



Eh, not really in this case. Fag is hardly scientifically accurate.
Fag is a shortened form of faggot, which was a term originally applied to bundles of twigs gathered for use as a fuel source for fires.

I think given its etymology, it is somehow appropriate.
 
Old August 13th, 2012 #23
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Honestly I had to stop reading after the 2nd paragraph. I am just simply disgusted. I do not understand how anyone could think this way let alone act it out. They should simply be shot in the frigging head in the middle of town. There is no redeeming quality about any of these scumbags. I think we should have a law that if a child or spouse is sexually assaulted or murdered and the person is found guilty then there should be an option for the surviving parent or spouse to put the fucker down in the manner he or she chooses. If they can't do it themselves then the state sees it is carried out.
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Old August 13th, 2012 #24
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I use queer in the fifties sense, when it was the word commonly used for

poofs

Fag is hardly scientifically accurate.

We both know what the word queer means. But the people we're trying to reach weren't around then. The word has changed. Fags have been using the word queer for 30+ years. The word's been rendered politically and gender neutral. It no longer conveys the message of scorn and revulsion they deserve. And there's nothing to be gained by fighting over the meaning of a word when we have another word that is just as powerful. Let them have the word queer, and we'll call them fags.


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Fag just sounds like someone dumb. It can be used as a general insult, not

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Please Alex. I'm aware that using the word fag as a general insult is a very new thing. But you and I would both know better than to use the word that way unless we were prepared to deal with the consequences. And kids aren't stupid. They know the real meaning of the word. And I'm willing to bet you these kids invented the new meaning themselves so they can continue using the word fag without getting in trouble for "hate crimes". They probably wait until the real fag is within hearing distance before using the word.

I was a kid myself once. We used to bully the fags mercilessly. There was a fag in our school, every day he got a slap or a punch, until he got the message and left. You can teach Kids to be nigger lovers, brainwash them with Marxist BS. But hatred of fags is primal. Even Christians know that god hates fags. Even kids that are fags themselves will kill themseves because they hate being fags.

Young people are under enormous pressure to join these "gay-straight alliances". It's unnatureal. And they're rebelling. This is our chance. We need to embrace their language, and give them the facts on what these fag deviants really are. Not just the fags they go to school with, but teachers who are probably fags, and why the Jews put them there.
 
Old August 14th, 2012 #25
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Faggotry was always one of my favorite terms, but Queers does the job. Fags or Faggotry is more insulting while the term Queer has been almost embraced by the culture (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy).

I hate it when words are hijacked.
 
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We both know what the word queer means. But the people we're trying to reach weren't around then. The word has changed. Fags have been using the word queer for 30+ years. The word's been rendered politically and gender neutral. It no longer conveys the message of scorn and revulsion they deserve. And there's nothing to be gained by fighting over the meaning of a word when we have another word that is just as powerful. Let them have the word queer, and we'll call them fags.
You do that, I'm not.

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Please Alex. I'm aware that using the word fag as a general insult is a very new thing.
No, it isn't. People have used fag as a general insult at least as long as I've been alive. Gay too. Whichever word is a associated with queers will be used that way.

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But you and I would both know better than to use the word that way unless we were prepared to deal with the consequences. And kids aren't stupid. They know the real meaning of the word. And I'm willing to bet you these kids invented the new meaning themselves so they can continue using the word fag without getting in trouble for "hate crimes". They probably wait until the real fag is within hearing distance before using the word.
I'm not sure what world you're living in, but kids in the schoolyard have always called each others fags and gay, just meaning weak, pathetic or wussy by it.

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Young people are under enormous pressure to join these "gay-straight alliances". It's unnatureal. And they're rebelling. This is our chance. We need to embrace their language, and give them the facts on what these fag deviants really are. Not just the fags they go to school with, but teachers who are probably fags, and why the Jews put them there.
We avoid that by never calling them gay, which is a propaganda term. The question is what they should be called, and queer is a good one. Queer is a nastier and more threatening term than fag.
 
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Honestly I had to stop reading after the 2nd paragraph. I am just simply disgusted. I do not understand how anyone could think this way let alone act it out. They should simply be shot in the frigging head in the middle of town. There is no redeeming quality about any of these scumbags. I think we should have a law that if a child or spouse is sexually assaulted or murdered and the person is found guilty then there should be an option for the surviving parent or spouse to put the fucker down in the manner he or she chooses. If they can't do it themselves then the state sees it is carried out.
Blame the christian do-gooders. Blame the WASPs. These are the clever people who insist that humans can be 'corrected' by institutions. Made to think about what they've done. Get some counseling, you know, "seek help," pray to God, and then released back upon, I mean into, society. The christian supports this because in his warped view, every individual soul is supremely valuable.

The other and better way of looking at it is: what shows the victim and the perpetrator respect? The answer, in cases like this, is executing the perp the minute he's proved guilty of the crime. We show respect for the victim by giving the harshest punishment to the perp; and we likewise show respect for the perp by recognizing it was his decision to molest the child, for which he must assume responsibility. The minute you try to make it more complex than that, you get problems.

When you have millions of people, you're obviously going to have a lot of duds and botches. The minute you realize this, you get rid of them. You don't mess around trying to save or cure them because some wacky socialist or christ crank has kooky ideas about saving them.
 
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Faggotry was always one of my favorite terms, but Queers does the job. Fags or Faggotry is more insulting while the term Queer has been almost embraced by the culture (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy).

I hate it when words are hijacked.
Queer is preferable because it hits on the idea that these people are fucked in the head. Fag doesn't catch that. Fag is focused on what they do. Remember, homosexual behavior was considered a mental disorder before queers got the definition changed. I think the focus should rightly be kept there: at the head level: these people are psychologically disturbed. And the homosexual behavior is good evidence of that, but not the only manifestation: fags are also usually drug users with a number of other personality problems.
 
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Queer is preferable because it hits on the idea that these people are fucked in the head. Fag doesn't catch that. Fag is focused on what they do. Remember, homosexual behavior was considered a mental disorder before queers got the definition changed. I think the focus should rightly be kept there: at the head level: these people are psychologically disturbed. And the homosexual behavior is good evidence of that, but not the only manifestation: fags are also usually drug users with a number of other personality problems.
Not disagreeing with you. The "Q" in SAIQ is for Queers. Queerdom is another one of my favorite terms to describe that group of defectives.
 
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Remember, homosexual behavior was considered a mental disorder before queers got the definition changed.
Psychiatrist Who Helped Remove The Classification Of Homosexuality As A Disease From APA Manual Dies



Dr. Alfred Freedman , who was president of the American Psychiatric Association when it declared that homosexuality was not a mental disorder in 1973, has died at the age of 94. The ruling subsequently led to the removal of homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Af "Dr. Freedman, much to his surprise, won what may have been the first contested election in the organization’s history, by three votes out of more than 9,000 cast. Immediately on taking office, he threw his support behind a resolution, drafted by Robert L. Spitzer of Columbia University, to remove homosexuality from the list of mental disorders."

"On Dec. 15, 1973, the board of trustees, many of them newly elected younger psychiatrists, voted 13 to 0, with two abstentions, in favor of the resolution, which stated that 'by itself, homosexuality does not meet the criteria for being a psychiatric disorder.' It went on: 'We will no longer insist on a label of sickness for individuals who insist that they are well and demonstrate no generalized impairment in social effectiveness.’'"

"Among other things, the resolution helped reassure gay men and women in need of treatment for mental problems that doctors would not have any authorization to try to change their sexual orientation or to identify homosexuality as the root cause of their difficulties. An equally important companion resolution condemned discrimination against gays in such areas as housing and employment. In addition, it called on local, state, and federal lawmakers to pass legislation guaranteeing gay citizens the same protections as other Americans, and to repeal all criminal statutes penalizing sex between consenting adults."

Freedman has said this about the ruling: "I felt at the time that that decision was the most important thing we accomplished.’"

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/04/psy...#ixzz23WldTiw5
 
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Not disagreeing with you. The "Q" in SAIQ is for Queers. Queerdom is another one of my favorite terms to describe that group of defectives.
Disagreeing with me is fine. As you know, this is not SF. I can see where some would prefer fag, but in my view, for reasons stated, queer is better. I forgot to add another reason - queer can encompass women too. That 'queers' are trying to reclaim the term is neither here nor there politically, as far as I can see. It's a rare propaganda term where they think it helps them, and I think it helps us.

The point about mental disorder - one thing I came across when looking for anti-queer data, was that lesbians have on average had more MALE sexual partners than HETEROSEXUAL females. That is astonishing, and it points to lesbian behavior being associated with psychological problems that manifest in a range of extreme behavior: drug use, promiscuity, alcohol abuse and so on. These abnormal women are clearly messed up in the head, which is about all they actually share with queer men.

My point is, with both sexes, the homosexual behavior is not the only way in which their behavior manifests psychological problems. And I think queer is the best way to get at that root fact.
 
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Psychiatrist Who Helped Remove The Classification Of Homosexuality As A Disease From APA Manual Dies



Dr. Alfred Freedman , who was president of the American Psychiatric Association when it declared that homosexuality was not a mental disorder in 1973, has died at the age of 94. The ruling subsequently led to the removal of homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Af "Dr. Freedman, much to his surprise, won what may have been the first contested election in the organization’s history, by three votes out of more than 9,000 cast. Immediately on taking office, he threw his support behind a resolution, drafted by Robert L. Spitzer of Columbia University, to remove homosexuality from the list of mental disorders."

"On Dec. 15, 1973, the board of trustees, many of them newly elected younger psychiatrists, voted 13 to 0, with two abstentions, in favor of the resolution, which stated that 'by itself, homosexuality does not meet the criteria for being a psychiatric disorder.' It went on: 'We will no longer insist on a label of sickness for individuals who insist that they are well and demonstrate no generalized impairment in social effectiveness.’'"

"Among other things, the resolution helped reassure gay men and women in need of treatment for mental problems that doctors would not have any authorization to try to change their sexual orientation or to identify homosexuality as the root cause of their difficulties. An equally important companion resolution condemned discrimination against gays in such areas as housing and employment. In addition, it called on local, state, and federal lawmakers to pass legislation guaranteeing gay citizens the same protections as other Americans, and to repeal all criminal statutes penalizing sex between consenting adults."

Freedman has said this about the ruling: "I felt at the time that that decision was the most important thing we accomplished.’"

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/04/psy...#ixzz23WldTiw5
In what other 'science' are important questions decided by a vote?

Was it a vote that originally had homosexual behavior declared disordered, or was it the result of study and observations over long periods of time?
 
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Had this bit saved, don't remember where I found it.

In 1978, a study done by two homosexual doctors revealed staggering statistics. Of 685 homosexual men, 589 (83%) had 50+ partners in their lifetime, 497 (73%) had 100+, 394 (58%) had 250+, 284 (41%) had 500+, 182 exceeded 1000 partners, an astonishing 26%. And 79% noted that over half their sexual contacts were total strangers.
Source: Bell, A.P. and Wienberg, M.S. "Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women" (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.)

The 1984 book the "The Male Couple" was written by a psychiatrist and psychologist (David P. McWhirter, M.D., and Andrew M. Mattison, M.S.W., Ph.D, who happened to be a homosexual couple), and they hoped to dispel the myth that "gay" couples lacked stability and long-term relationships. Rather than eliminate the myth, their research confirmed it. After much searching, they were able to locate only 156 couples in lasting relationships. The study also revealed that only 7 couples had actually maintained sexual fidelity and none of the seven had been together more than 5 years.

Two homosexual icons, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, wrote this about male homosexuality: "Gay men aren't very good at having and holding lovers...(because) gay men tire of their partners (sexually) more rapidly than straight men." And according to them, the average homosexual male first "seeks (sexual) novelty in partners, rather than practices, and becomes massively promiscuous; (but) eventually, all bodies become boring, and only new practices will thrill." The cheating ratio of 'married' [committed] gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%."
Source: Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen," After the Ball," (NY: Doubleday, 1989) pp. 304-320.

Dr. Martin Dannecker, a homosexual German sexologist, studied 900 homosexuals in 1991 living in "steady relationships". 83% of males had numerous sexual encounters outside their partnerships over a one-year period. Dr. Dannecker observed "clear differences in the manner of sexual gratification" between single and non-single gay men that were the reverse of what he expected. Of the homosexual men in steady relationships, he wrote, "the average number of homosexual contacts per person was 115 in the past year." In contrast, single gay men had only 45 sexual contacts.
Source: Wittmeier, Carmen, "Now They Know The Other Half," Alberta Report, 1999 06 07, p.27.
 
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In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

There was no vote initially, it was removed by Dr Alfred Freedman's descision alone.

Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...al_health.html
Now we know that Dr. Freedman was a Jew. Here's three other Jewish influences that were active at the time to help push this through.

Israel Fishman -- founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now known as the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of the American Library Association], the world's first gay professional organization.

Bella Abzug - Edward Koch -- both Jewish -- the first members of the U.S. House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation [1974].

I'm sure there are many more, as the Jewish presence in the founding of Gay Rights Organizations is extremely and historically prevelant. http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=25
 
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