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Old October 30th, 2012 #641
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See, this is why you can't trust Bill White.

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There are many people I dislike in the white movement. HS is one example. HS once argued KS was okay because a sexual interest in pre-teen girls was normal. I disagree.
That's a pretty extreme accusation. Would I be allowed to post on VNN Forum if I had stated that pædophilia (sexual interest in pre-teen girls) was normal? I don't think so.

Find where I ever said that. I didn't.

So where does this come from?

Bill White never showed any dislike toward me until I crossed him ONCE. That was when I phoned in to his ANSWPP podcast and disagreed with the fact that he was calling Clifford Herrington a "pædophile" based on secondhand information that he had gotten from Tom Metzger, to the effect that Herrington at some time or other had a 15-year-old girlfriend. (This personal attack was a transparent attempt on BW's part to wreck NSM so that he could attract former NSMers to his own newly formed ANSWPP.) I said, "That's not pædophilia." It's not legitimate to label a man with the poisonous label pædophile on such a basis, and I am not alone in saying that; see here. Since Bill White likes to think that he is smarter than everybody and can't tolerate being corrected, instead of responding honestly (which would have meant admitting that he was wrong) he distorted my position, claiming that I was defending pædophilia, when I was really just saying that he shouldn't use the word "pædophile" recklessly.

Some of his other comments about how people should be careful about repeating rumors etc. struck me as highly ironic, coming from him. I wouldn't trust Bill White's word for anything without verifying.

I can only wonder how many of the people to whom he refers in that essay are maliciously misrepresented. I would guess probably more than one.

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Old October 30th, 2012 #642
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Since Bill White likes to think that he is smarter than everybody and can't tolerate being corrected, instead of responding honestly (which would have meant admitting that he was wrong) he distorted my position, claiming that I was defending pædophilia, when I was really just saying that he shouldn't use the word "pædophile" recklessly.
Hadding, in Kevin Strom's case the Judge said that after seeing the evidence he had no doubts that KS had been sexually attracted to a nine year old girl.

Kevin Strom signed a contract with his wife agreeing to undergo treatment for paedophilia. And he pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography knowing this would send him to prison possibly for a period of ten years.

Yet in the face of all this you've spent two weeks here behaving exactly as Bill White says you behaved: In denial and desperately arguing that your friend the paedophile is normal.

Now, on reflection, do you still argue it's normal?

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Hadding, in Kevin Strom's case the Judge said that after seeing the evidence he had no doubts that KS had been sexually attracted to a nine year old girl.

Kevin Strom signed a contract with his wife agreeing to undergo treatment for paedophilia. And he pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography knowing this would send him to prison possibly for a period of ten years.

Yet in the face of all this you've spent two weeks here behaving exactly as Bill White says you behaved: In denial and desperately arguing that your friend the paedophile is normal.

Now, on reflection, do you still argue it's normal?
Here we go again. How fucking predictable.

Essentially all that I've done in regard to KAS is point to what the licensed professional counselor Harvey Yoder said, that he's not a pædophile. I can understand if some people don't accept that assessment, but saying that somebody is not a pædophile is not the same as defending pædophilia, as anybody with a straight-thinking mind should be able to discern.

I would prefer not to say anything else about it, and I would have preferred not to discuss it in the first place, but you, Henry, just love to bring it up. Call me a goat-dancer again too, while you're at it. That's your master's favorite fairytale.

You are a Tubbingtonista piece of shit, and Tubbington and Bill White are cut from the same cloth. They both excel in personal attacks, and they know what kinds of attacks are most damaging.

I think Linder is out of his mind to tolerate you on this forum, just as he was out of his mind to take back Bill White when he should have known from prior bad experience that Bill White was trouble.

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Here we go again. How fucking predictable.

Essentially all that I've done in regard to KAS is point to what the licensed professional counselor Harvey Yoder said, that he's not a pædophile. I can understand if some people don't accept that assessment, but saying that somebody is not a pædophile is not the same as defending pædophilia, as anybody with a straight-thinking mind should be able to discern.

I would prefer not to say anything else about it, and I would have preferred not to discuss it in the first place, but you, Henry, just love to bring it up. Call me a goat-dancer again too, while you're at it. That's your master's favorite fairytale.

You are a Tubbingtonista piece of shit, and Tubbington and Bill White are cut from the same cloth. They both excel in personal attacks, and they know what kinds of attacks are most damaging.

I think Linder is out of his mind to tolerate you on this forum, just as he was out of his mind to take back Bill White after he should have known from personal experience that Bill White was trouble.
I know one thing Hadding; your Freemasonc-freemoronic runaround Mona Montgomery once gave my contact details to Hal Turner and Turner used them to get in touch with an offer he thought I wouldn't refuse.

Tell me Hadding, why did you set out on an internet mission with this mad bitch to destroy any credibility Ed Steele might have had in WN when he most needed it?

You and this Mad Cunt showed some fucking chutzpah when you ran around claiming Ed Steele was insane:


 
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Looks like the Feds want to lock Bill up long time.

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Former Neo-Nazi Bill White Faces 10 More Years Of Prison After 7th U.S. Circuit Court Of Appeals Reinstates Conviction On Solicitation In Chicago

If you thought former national socialist activist Bill White was getting out of prison in July 2013, think again. White now faces up to an additional 10 years in prison after the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals essentially reinstated White's original conviction on solicitation, which had been overturned on White's initial appeal by Judge Lynn Adelman. Furthermore, the appeals court ruled White is not entitled to a new trial.

-- Read the court's 30-page opinion HERE. It's Case No. 11-2150. Here's the key excerpt from the opinion (links embedded within the excerpt are mine):

William White was charged with soliciting the commission of a violent federal crime against a juror in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 373. The alleged solicitations at issue were messages that White posted to a website that he created to advance white supremacy, which included White’s 2005 statement that “[e]veryone associated with the Matt Hale trial has deserved assassination for a long time,” and his 2008 publication of information related to the foreperson, “Juror A,” of the jury that convicted Hale. The 2008 post disclosed Juror A’s home address and mobile, home, and work phone numbers, though it did not contain an explicit request for Juror A to be harmed.

White was tried and convicted by a jury. White then filed a Rule 29 motion for entry of a judgment of acquittal, arguing that the evidence was insufficient to convict him of solicitation. The district court granted the motion, finding that the government failed to present sufficient evidence for a reasonable juror to conclude that White was guilty of criminal solicitation, and that White’s speech was protected by the First Amendment. The government appeals that ruling, and White has filed a cross-appeal urging a new trial if we reverse the judgment of acquittal. After reviewing the trial record, we conclude that a rational jury could have found beyond a reasonable doubt that, based on the contents of the website, its readership, and other contextual factors, White intentionally solicited a violent crime against Juror A by posting Juror A’s personal information on his website. Criminal solicitation is not protected by the First Amendment, and so we reverse White’s acquittal and reinstate his conviction. Also, because White is not entitled to a new trial, we remand for sentencing.

Juror A was previously identified publicly as Mark Hoffmann, a gay Jew who was involved in a homosexual relationship with a Negro male. White now faces an additional prison term of up to 10 years, though a sentencing date hasn't been set. He is currently serving the last months of a prison term that arose from a separate conviction for intimidation as well as three additional months for violating parole, and had expected to be released by July 2013.

White's attorney Nishay Sanan sharply criticized the ruling, saying the judges were swayed by his client's widely reviled racial and political views rather than sound legal theory. He believes the judges were influenced by personal hatred of his client. Sanan favors an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, saying he would argue that the First Amendment protects Internet postings such as White's. But he said White would make the final decision about further legal action.

How in hell Bill White's supposed to raise the money necessary for a Supreme Court ruling is beyond imagination, since White has been virtually bankrupted by his legal troubles so far. With as much trouble as Don Black has in raising $7500 every month for Stormfront's operation, do you really think White racialists are going to contribute funds for the defense of the much less popular Bill White?

Oh, and let's not forget that according to a letter by Bill White dated October 9th, it was Hal Turner who set all of these events in motion. White said that Turner, out of personal spite, contacted the U.S. Marshals and, with the help of other informants, falsely claimed he was going to assassinate Barack Obama with a truck bomb in order to cause White's arrest on false pretenses. The Feds told White they wouldn't press charges if White rolled over and became a snitch, but White refused. The rest is history.

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Old October 31st, 2012 #646
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This is an interesting thread, my heart goes out to Bill. Out of all the costume wearers in the unfortunate US WN movement, I always had a soft spot for Bill White. I think he would be my hero...if I was still in high school.


It's fun to be an edgy, prickly troll, but don't think it's going to get you very far in politics, other than maybe a novel with Barricade books. Bill's the goyish Abbie Hoffman, only he's a self-proclaimed Nazi so he actually gets in trouble.
 
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I know one thing Hadding; your Freemasonc-freemoronic runaround Mona Montgomery once gave my contact details to Hal Turner and Turner used them to get in touch with an offer he thought I wouldn't refuse.

Tell me Hadding, why did you set out on an internet mission with this mad bitch to destroy any credibility Ed Steele might have had in WN when he most needed it?

You and this Mad Cunt showed some fucking chutzpah when you ran around claiming Ed Steele was insane:

Edgar Steele You're No Hero! Part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Edgar Steele You're No Hero! Part 2 of 2 - YouTube
Good grief, she can barely contain her glee!
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Looks like the Feds want to lock Bill up long time.
The appeal judges are Posner, Flaum and Williams. The first two might be Jews. Ann Williams is African-American.

Judge Posner.
Richard_Posner Richard_Posner



He is noted for supporting experimentation on animals.

In his blog http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/ Judge Posner supports a commercial market in human kidneys.

In 2007 he shocked a legal conference in Australia, when as an honoured guest speaker he advocated secret trials for terrorists. He also advocated surveillance of muslim communities.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111113849197

These are the sort of people who sit in judgement and pass sentence.

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Nice to see some Bill White content in the Bill White thread.

There should be a Hadding thread for people who want to talk about Hadding.
 
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The appeal judges are Posner, Flaum and Williams. The first two might be Jews. Ann Williams is African-American.

Judge Posner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Posner



These are the sort of people who sit in judgement and pass sentence.
Posner is a Jew and this is confirmed at the bottom of his Wiki link which you posted, and also on son's Wiki entry. His son is a professor of law.

Judge Joel Flaum is also a Jew and has been honoured for his 'achievements' as a Jewish Judge:

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......2008, Lifetime Achievement Award, Jewish Judges Association.
He is a member of The Jewish Judges Association of Illinois;

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Old October 31st, 2012 #651
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Article from WSLS-TV 10 on the Chicago reinstatement.

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Neo Nazi Bill White's Chicago conviction reinstated

By: MICHAEL TARM, Associated Press | WSLS-TV 10

Published: October 26, 2012
Updated: October 26, 2012 - 7:22 PM

CHICAGO (AP) - A white supremacist solicited violence against a juror by posting the man's address, phone number and other personal details on his extremist website, an appellate court ruled on Friday, overturning a lower court's decision to toss the neo-Nazi's conviction on the grounds that his posts were protected by the First Amendment.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago concluded that the posts by William A. White - who gained notoriety in 2008 for seeming to invite the assassination of then-presidential candidate Barack Obama on the same website - were not subject to the shield that the U.S. Constitution extends to most speech.

Even though White didn't explicitly instruct anyone to attack the juror when he posted the data on the website, the appellate judges said White's loyal readers would have known that was just what he meant in the context of other threats, including against Obama.

The juror White singled out served as the foreman in a 2005 trial that convicted another white supremacist of soliciting the murder of a federal judge in Chicago.

In its unanimous 30-page ruling, the three-judge panel agreed that the First Amendment "protects even speech that is loathsome." But the judges said "criminal solicitations are simply not protected."

White, from Roanoke, Va., should proceed to sentencing and not get a new trial, the judges wrote.

He faces a prison term of up to 10 years, though a sentencing date hasn't been set. He is currently serving the last months of a prison term that arose from a separate conviction for intimidation.

An attorney for the self-professed leader of the American National Socialist Workers Party sharply criticized Friday's ruling, saying appellate judges were swayed by his client's widely reviled racial and political views, not by sound legal theory.

"I think they used hatred towards my client to apply the facts as they wanted to apply the facts," Chicago-based attorney Nishay Sanan said in a telephone interview.

Sanan favors an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, saying he would argue that the First Amendment protects Internet postings such as White's. But he said White would make the final decision about further legal action.

In 2011, White was convicted of one count of solicitation for publishing the juror's name, photograph, home address, phone numbers and sexual orientation on his website; he even posted the name of the juror's cat. Prosecutors had said his threats against the juror had struck at the heart of the U.S. justice system.

U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman reversed White's conviction later in 2011, finding that his posts weren't explicit enough to cross the line into unprotected speech. But the appeals court said Friday that White's followers would have immediately understood he wanted the juror to be harmed, precisely because White had recently threatened Obama and others.

"Readers of (White's website) were not casual Web browsers," the ruling states. "But extremists molded into a community by the Internet - loyal and avid readers who, whether or not they remember every specific solicitation to assassination, knew that (the website) identified hateful enemies who should be assassinated."

The posting about Obama included a photograph of him with swastika-shaped crosshairs superimposed over his face and the words, "White people must deny (him) the presidency ... by any means necessary." White was never charged in relation to those postings.

White's website regularly attacked nonwhites, Jews and homosexuals and expressed approval for acts of violence. But he no longer has control of postings to the website.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/oct/2...ed-ar-2313996/
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Conviction Is Reinstated for Neo-Nazi Who Posted Juror’s Photo and Address

By Debra Cassens Weiss
3 hours, 26 minutes ago

A Chicago-based federal appeals court has reinstated the conviction of a self-avowed neo-Nazi who posted a jury foreperson’s photo and home address on a white supremacy website.

In a per curiam opinion (PDF), the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reinstated the conviction of William White for soliciting the commission of a violent federal crime against the juror. The court found sufficient evidence that White intended to solicit harm and said the crime of solicitation is not protected by the First Amendment.

The targeted juror was among those who convicted white supremacist Matthew Hale in 2004 for soliciting harm to a federal judge. White did not specifically call for harm to the juror when he posted the identifying information in 2008 at overthrow.com, though he had written in 2005 that everyone involved in Hale’s trial should be assassinated.

White’s website was specific about his desire for harm to other individuals, the appeals court said. One post advocated the murder of a Canadian civil rights lawyer, according to the opinion. Another, featuring a photo of then-presidential candidate Barack Obama, was headlined, “Kill This N-----?”

A federal judge had reversed White’s conviction for posting the juror information, saying that his intent to harm the juror had not been proven and his post was protected by the First Amendment. The 7th Circuit disagreed. A rational jury could have convicted White “based on the contents of the website, its readership, and other contextual factors,” the opinion said.

“Readers of Overthrow.com were not casual Web browsers, but extremists molded into a community by the Internet—loyal and avid readers who, whether or not they remember every specific solicitation to assassination, knew that Overthrow.com identified hateful enemies who should be assassinated,” the opinion said.

“Though the government did not present a specific ‘solicitee,’ it was unnecessary to do so given the very nature of the solicitation—an electronic broadcast which, a reasonable jury could conclude, was specifically designed to reach as many white supremacist readers as possible so that someone could kill or harm" the juror.

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7th Circuit Reinstates Conviction of White Supremacist William White

CHICAGO (CN) - The 7th Circuit reinstated the conviction of a white supremacist who solicited a crime of violence against a juror by posting online comments that identified him. William White is the creator and operator of Overthrow.com, a website affiliated with the American National Socialist Workers Party, a white supremacist group.

The site regularly featured posts about fellow white supremacist Matthew Hale, who is serving 40 years in prison for trying to solicit the murder of U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow.

In 2005, White wrote that "everyone associated with the Matt Hale trial has deserved assassination for a long time." This post included the names of federal agents, prosecutors and others involved in Hale's arrest.

Three years later, White posted the name, address, phone number and a photo of Mark Hoffman, the jury foreperson in Hale's trial. The government submitted two of the posts about Hoffman into evidence. One has the subheading "Gay Jewish Anti-Racist Led Jury," and another is titled "The Juror Who Convicted Matt Hale."

Hoffman, a former assistant dean at the Northwestern School of Education and Social Policy, reported receiving crude text messages and one harassing phone call, but there were no death threats or attempts on his life.

The government indicted White, claiming that he had violated federal law by attempting to incite violence against Hoffman. But U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman concluded otherwise and dismissed the indictment.

On appeal, the 7th Circuit reinstated White's indictment, finding that there was a valid dispute over the intent of the online remarks. If White intended for others to harm Hoffman, and such harm was likely, the First Amendment would not protect White.

"Although First Amendment speech protections are far-reaching, there are limits ... asking another to commit a crime [is a] punishable act," the appellate panel wrote in June 2010. Though a jury convicted White, Adelman granted him a judgment of acquittal in April 2011. "The words defendant used in his three posts about Mark Hoffman did not expressly solicit anyone to harm Hoffman," Adelman wrote. "Indeed, they did not suggest or imply that anyone do anything to Hoffman. ... Having now heard all the evidence, I am convinced that no reasonable fact-finder considering the posts and the context in which they were made could conclude, based on an objective standard, that they constitute a solicitation."

A three-judge appellate panel reinstated the conviction Friday, saying that the incitement determination hinges on the context and audience of White's post.

"Readers of Overthrow.com were not casual Web browsers, but extremists molded into a community by the internet - loyal and avid readers who, whether or not they remember every specific solicitation to assassination, knew that Overthrow.com identified hateful enemies who should be assassinated," the unsigned decision states.

The court also highlighted White's history of using his website and the radio to release the names and addresses of "enemies" of his cause. In multiple cases, White explicitly contemplated the murder of the named individuals.

Two days before information about Hoffman appeared, White's website included an article titled "Kill this Nigger?" that contained images of and articles about President Barack Obama, who was a candidate at the time.

Against this backdrop, "White didn't have to say harm [Hoffman]," the appeals court found. "All he had to do and did do to invite violence was to sketch the characteristics that made [Hoffman] a mortal enemy of White's neo-Nazi movement and to publish [Hoffman's] personal contact information."

Though White tried to discourage Hoffman's assassination as charges against him loomed, a jury could still have convicted White based on the original solicIitation, the ruling states.

The appellate judges also affirmed the use of an anonymous jury in White's trial, finding no evidence that the decision had prejudiced White.

"White rightfully emphasizes that the First Amendment protects even speech that is loathsome. But criminal solicitations are simply not protected by the First Amendment," the decision states. White should not get a new trial and proceed to sentencing, the court concluded.

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Bill White Again Under Investigation

Oct 24, 2012 4:54 PM EST

Roanoke, VA - Bill White, the former Roanoke-based neo Nazi leader, may once again be in hot water with the government.

On Tuesday, as White was being re sentenced for a 2010 conviction, prosecutors disclosed that White is currently under investigation in the Middle District of Florida by the US Attorney's office there.

That revelation came to light after White made a motion to have some of his personal affects turned back over to him.

Those items were confiscated in Orlando following White's extradition from Mexico in June.

In denying that request, the US Attorney's office said the belongings were being held in Orlando because the Department of Justice had opened an investigation into White there.

White still needs to serve about nine months in prison before he can put this all behind him... of course unless new charges come out of this new investigation.

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[letter from Bill White]

OCTOBER 28, 2012
158 DAYS REMAIN

Hello Alex:

I was told Friday that this case in Chicago had been overturned against me. This is neither the complete victory the Jews are declaring in their newspapers, nor a good thing for me. Ultimately, it probably does not make much of a difference in practical terms, now or in the long run, but it should make every white activist both concerned and angry. What it means is that the government can label any audience "white supremacists" or otherwise-"violent" and particularly prone to incitement, and then declare any statement addressed to such an audience "solicitation of a violent felony."

Savitri Devi noted that democracy is not characterized by reduced violence, but reduced honesty about the use of violence, and every white activist knows there is nothing more violent than a crowd of communists and Negroes hyped up on newspaper rhetoric about the need to enforce love and tolerance with clubs and tire irons. Further, there is little "white supremacist" violence in the United States that is not ultimately being directed by the FBI.

Yet, somehow, it was the angry yet peaceful group of activists that I organized who were "violent" and "soliciting violence" when we peacefully protested Hale juror Mark Hoffman.

The simple fact is that white people who attempt change through democratic channels - through literature distribution, public pickets, protests, even publishing on the internet - are being lured into a trap. The Democratic process - which, I illustrate in my book Centuries of Revolution, is essentially demonic in nature - is a fraud designed to drive society down a road which progresses into annihilation. Democracy has nothing to offer white people or white activists. Its "law" is merely force cloaked in fraud - as we see not only in this case, but in eery tribunal, national or international, created by the democracies.

People should see these things and be angry - and they should consider - if there is no peaceful or legal way to express that anger - what means has "democracy" [end pg 1] left us?

In practical terms, I have two appeals left. Now, in Roanoke, my appellate counsel, Melissa Scoggins, was improperly influenced into dropping my appeals. That is the subject of a habeas corpus motion in Roanoke that is currently pending before the Fourth Circuit. I do not expect this situation to develop in Chicago; I expect that my counsel, Nishay Sanan, will file and that this judgment shall be stayed for at least a few months -- probably at least long enough for me to be released. Also, the Judge in Chicago is likely, in the worst case, to give me a concurrent sentence of time served. So, in a practical sense, I am unlikely to serve additional time on this case.

The real practical question is whether the government is going to use this to violate the Court's order of Oct 23rd, which was to stop abusing me, to take me out of solitary confinement, ad to place me in a minimum security facility. As far as I know, the Court's judgment of time served was processed Friday, I was designated to Petersburg FCI, and my release date was not changed. Also, no detainer was issued in Chicago - and can't be, until we abandon or exhaust my appeals.

How that will end up, I just don't know.

I believe I wrote to you about the government's threats of a 9th-ish prosecution against me in Orlando. Still no idea what that is about, but I had believed, before I left, that the FBI was plotting to frame me -- as my current case in Norfolk shows they have in the past -- and I can only assume what happened there is part of the continuing government effort to commit crimes and then implicate me in them. I wish I could roll out the litany on this each time I say it, because it sounds crazy to anyone who has not experienced it -- but, in one example a case is currently pending in Norfolk where the government paid an informant, Michael Burks, to make a threatening phone call to a civil rights lawyer and implicate me. The ACLU has stepped in just on Friday and agreed to represent me, but the case is getting almost no coverage whatsoever, from the Jewish press.

And, on the Jewish press, I've had someone object that the Roanoke Times and Landmark Communications are not Jewish because they are operated by Frank Batten, Jr. Frank Batten, Jr's father was Frank Batten, Sr. Though born a gentile, he was adopted at age two by Leo Slover, Jewish founder of the Roanoke Times, and later bar mitzvahed into the Jewish faith. The Battens are adoptive -- not racial -- Jews, but they are as vicious and pernicious as the real things. My only joy is that their paper is on the verge of failing and going digital-only. They are now just under 60,000 subscribers, and have around 50,000-60,000 monthly unique visitors to their website. They are dying.

I'm ranting a bit and covering many topics, but indulge me -- I'll cover one more. Now, I am no prison newb, and I know that "telling" on people has consequences. But, I am imprisoned with this Negro serial killer who annoys me -- masturbating through the food slot on his door, constantly telling me about the people he's killed, and shouting racial slurs at other white inmates. So, I decided, alsmot three weeks ago, to try to turn him in for the four murders he's confessed - three he's been charged with, two he's been acquitted of, and one currently unsolved.

For three weeks, my attorneys and I have been trying to get the police to talk to me. One thing we noted was that several of the black Deputies here are actively assisting this guy -- passing messages to the outside for him and the like. Well, the Deputies have told this guy I have reported these murders, in the hopes of creating a violent situation that harms me, before the police have even been able to speak to me. He and I, in fact, had it out the other day.

Now, I have (or, at least, had) nothing to gain from turning this guy in. I couldn't gain a time cut, so nothing like that was going on. I did this because I grew sick of him, but, also, to see what would happen. At the time, I thought the current situation --that the government would rather prosecute me than a Negro serial killer -- was unlikely. Apparently, I was wrong. Even my suspicion of the government doesn't go deep enough.

Hope you are well, Alex. If I'm flooding you with letters, I apologize, but so much has been going on and, having shipped out most of my stuff awaiting transport, I have nothing to do.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
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Not all the charges against Bill White were racial ones, in the original trial. The first offence he was indicted for was threatening a bank employee, as I recall. He sent an email threat to a credit card telephone consultant, who hadn't provided him with financial satisfaction. The racial aspect came mainly from his threatening of tenants in the ghetto areas he renovated for his construction business. Those tenants were often, or always black. The establishment, legal and media, has built up the racial aspects. It's now nazi on trial, not thuggish construction boss on trial.
 
Old November 21st, 2012 #657
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Are the federally paychecked dieseling Bill, or what is his current address?
 
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Letter From Bill White to Harold Covington

Here is a letter Bill sent to Harold Covington, re-posted from Thoughtcrime. Bill mentions working with Matt Hale on publishing some books. I believe that project likely will be on hold until Bill is out again, as inmate to inmate communication is not allowed by the BOP.

Covington has always supported Bill on his blogs as a matter of principle, but Bill has not been that chummy with Harold until recently. I know HAC sent Bill some reading material when Bill was in the Roanoke City Jail.

The information about Bill’s court cases may be out of date, now. I hope to post some updates on the various cases very soon. (It’s complicated!)
October 27, 2012

Hello, Harold:

I was going to send you a brief case update, so that you could share with your readers, or at least buy into the nonsense out there, but then this Chicago verdict was entered by surprise, and suddenly much more is going on.

Lest anyone be deceived by the allegations, prior to my arrest in 2008 I was an absolutely and strictly law-abiding citizen who never desired to cause anyone any real harm. I was angry, and I wanted to shake things up, but I believed in peaceful and democratic means of change. Now, the Seventh Circuit has decided that “white supremacists” (sic) are so inherently violent that the government does not need to prove any actual violence when accusing anyone they label a “white supremacist” of a crime. This is not law. This is political violence carried out under the veneer of law.

Every White person should think about this. If you picket and protest and publish angry political material, you will be treated the same as if you had picked up a gun and murdered someone. About 300 years ago an early criminologist noted that if you punish a thief the same as a murderer, you eliminate the incentive for the thief not to kill his victim to conceal his crime. Similarly, if you punish someone for speaking the same as for killing, you make political violence more reasonable than political speech.

I do not share this view. I wish there was a way to stop the twin evils of democracy and Judaism in a non-violent, lawful manner, and so I continue speaking, instead of hurting anyone. But Savitri Devi noted that democracy does not bring with it a reduction of violence, but a reduction in honesty about violence, and for these people to make my words violent, while kidnapping and torturing me because I refused to lie for them, is nothing but base hypocrisy.

I’m afraid to say more, because to even suggest that a nation that governs the world with drone assassinations, mass starvation, and the brutal murder of political enemies might be properly resisted by force, is probably a crime. The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you, and America shouts non-violence as it drags you to the executioner.

What this decision means for me in practice probably isn’t much. There are two more appeals pending in this case before anything actually happens. Now, if my attorney in Chicago follows my attorney in Roanoke who was “persuaded” not to file my appeal on time, I may be stuck, but I don’t foresee that.

The big question is whether the DOJ uses this to violate the judge’s order, which was to remove me from solitary confinement, designate me a minimum-security inmate, and place me in a camp. They may even try to ship me to Chicago, though there is not going to be any order to do so any time soon. Beyond that, nothing much can be said. The charge, even if I am convicted, will likely carry time served, concurrent with my served sentence.

This Chicago thing puts a bit of a downer on the October 23 hearing, which went very well. The judge sentenced me to 33 months time served, and my release date is still April 7—meaning I will be released April 15. The media, I’m told, spun things differently. However, the judge did order me placed in minimum security, and ordered the servers seized in 2008 returned.

Now, I’m told a lot of noise was made about some investigation in Orlando, Florida. I have only a vague idea of what happened—a state judge allegedly received a package containing a “truly terrible threat” What that has to do with me, no one knows. But as my counsel pointed out, the government is not cutting me any breaks. If they had evidence to indict me, I would have been indicted prior to the September 12, not to mention the October 23 hearing, as even an indictment would have greatly improved the government’s case.

What the régime is doing is trying to silence me by prosecuting me over and over again, all over the country. They did it once, and I got out, and I wasn’t silenced, and so they are looking to do it over and over again.

Too many White people have been silenced this way. Matt Hale most prominently, but also think of the federal actions against Edgar Steele, Brian Calvert, Christine Greenwood, and even that WAR kid Alex Curtis in California. I’ve had Jewish shrinks tell me I’m “narcissistic” for thinking the government is doing anything other than just the ho-hum, normal and routine—but I would do anything to just be a normal, ho-hum prisoner. The system is Jewish judges, Jewish [illegible in handwritten original] and Judaized gentiles constantly immersing others in their insane fantasy world.

In the good news department, though, the ACLU has signed onto my case in the Eastern District of Virginia. Here the government paid an informant to make a threatening phone call to a “civil rights” attorney who was sueing me. The régime was going to charge me, but withdrew when they discovered that the FBI had authorized this informant to commit a crime. The “civil rights” lawyer sued me and lost. The case is now on de novo review on appeal.

My case in Roanoke may also be re-opened on a habeas corpus appeal, and while I have an attorney who is asking to represent me on this, if this appeal is granted I am hoping the ACLU will come in on this as well.

In other good news, [Patriot Act internee] Matt Hale has written three books in prison, and I am working on finding him a publisher. Hopefully we can get something in print in 6 to 12 months. My counsel is also working with his counsel on a habeas corpus, providing my Chicago transcripts and discovery to support his claim of juror bias.

I was going to tell you the story of my arrest—how I fought like hell to not be in the position I am today—as I thought your readers may like it, but this new development may make that unwise.

Sorry for droning on so, but I hope all this is useful to your readers. Thank you for your support, Harold, and I wish you well.

Sincerely,

Bill White #13888-084
FCI Loretto
P. O. Box 1000
Loretto, PA 15940

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[letter from Bill White]

NOVEMBER 16, 2012
139 DAYS REMAIN

Hello Alex:

Thought I'd write and update you and your readers on how things are.

After a brutal two and a half weeks of transport and lockdown, I have emerged in population in Loretto, Pennsylvania, in the "low" security Federal Correctional Institution, where I have, so far, been left alone -- which is the best treatment I can ask for.

I was locked down in the Roanoke City Jail after my confrontation with teh Negro serial killer. It reached a point where they had to shackle one of us and remove us from the unit for the other to come out and shower. However, the Police did eventually come -- my upsettedness was over error, not malice --- and, while I gained nothing by it, I did assist in the investigation of the murder of Crary Williams by Antwon Johnson.

After Roanoke, I was taken to Grady County Jail in Oklahoma, where I was crammed into a crowded "open dorm" with two dozen other guys - an undersized room where the partition to the bathroom was a chest-high cinderblock wall. From there, I was shipped to the U.S. Penitentiary at Canaan on a 22-hour bus and plane ride, where I spent a week, before being shipped here to Loretto, near Pittsburg, an 8-hour midnight bus ride - where I was thrown immediately into teh SHU -- solitary confinement -- for overcrowding and lack of bed space.

After six days in a bare room without being able to even write, and having baking soda to brush my teeth and some watery bodywash for soap, I was finally assigned a bed. It was an inauspicious beginning, but, things are much better now.

This is a very relaxed "low" security facility, and there are quite a few folk who know me here -- I met the brother of a fellow who had helped organize the Toledo NSM actions in 2005, for instance -- and have heard the latest doings of Michael Burks -- who testified [against] me in Chicago, and is now, allegedly, on the federal and SPLC payroll. He is apparently still calling people and committing crimes in the names of others.

ADX Florence has apparently barred Matt from receiving mail discussing me, but I am working to contact his lawyer with the info they wanted for the 2255. I hear the feds have been serving search warrants in regards to the mysterious whatever they are investigating -- but not on anyone I've spoken to in years. My guess is they are fishing. My suit to recover the "evidence" they are holding -- my watch, my driver's license, crayon pictures my daughter drew me -- has been bouncing around, but I believe is now properly filed. And, my en banc appeal was filed in Chicago.

That is about it. I am awaiting a small library of books to arrive so I can begin work on Serpent's Blood, and am trying to contact the myriad lawyers involved in the nuisance suits against me. I walked five miles on the track yesterday, making me realize four months in the SHU has made my legs spaghetti.

Please let folks know where I am:

William A. White #13888-084
FCI-Loretto
PO Box 1000
Loretto PA 19538

Also, I hear AFP is offering a holiday deal on my first book, Centuries of Revolution. That deal is still moving about two copies a day (AFP sells it separately from TBR), so it is good to know people are still reading it -- in fact, I've almost earned my advance on it.;-D LOL. Anyways, it is still doing well, and I am honored by the praise it's getting - I thought it was a terribly evil book, but people like it.

Hope you and your readers are well. [remark about Hadding removed by me -A.L.]

Sincerely, Bill
 
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Message from Bill to you -

Bill White wrote:

It looks like the Foundation to Defend the First Amendment, which is a charitable fund Willis has set up, is going to raise money to take this Chicago case to the Supreme Court.

Could you contact Alex Linder and Harold Covington and ask if they are willing to work with the FDFA to raise this money?

Thank you!

And, another message from Bill in Loretto -

I got passed today an old issue of Alex Linder's newspaper the Aryan Alternative, which has apparently been circulating around here in Xerox form probably since it was last published in 2007 or 2008 or so.

Anyways, I've given folk here his address and email to write to him. Let him know if you get a chance -- he'll probably be getting some contacts. LOL.
 
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