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Old November 18th, 2012 #201
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It would be useful to explore that in more depth.
Of all the Protestants, the Episcopalians are the most liberal, the most "progressive" and probably the most professional, white-collar, Ivy League type of any Christian denomination.
 
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For Alex:

1) What, exactly, do you hope to accomplish by attacking Christianity the way that you do? Who is your audience for these criticisms?

The data shows atheism is on the rise. Religion is in retreat. Christianity is on the way out. If a person is a WNist pagan or an atheist (like me), the person doesn't need convincing Christian theology poses problems for racialists. If a person is a generic Christian, or a Christian with racial sympathies, and they do in fact exist, it doesn't seem likely your critique will convince them to do anything different.

2) Related: why is attacking Christianity important when Jews hold much of the real power in society, and to the extent white gentiles hold significant power in society, they are almost all secular liberal egalitarians who reject Christianity?

For Hunter:

1) Under what circumstances do you think the US federal government would permit a region to secede?

Using the South as an example, it occurs to me there are many military bases scattered throughout the South. There is critical energy infrastructure in south Louisiana and on the East Texas coast, and probably elsewhere in the South. For example, the US strategic oil reserve is maintained in southwest Louisiana and in East Texas. It doesn't seem plausible to me the US federal government will ever let this go.

2) Why shouldn't these secession petitions be viewed as the product of a relative small number of kooks and malcontents (Devil's advocate question; I support secession)?

Why would ordinary white folks even in East Texas and the deep south ever agree to secede when it would mean the end of their medicare, government jobs, funding for contractors and such things? There was no entitlement state in 1861.
 
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Not by a long shot were most Yanks on the side of the abolitionist lunatics. After the Emancipation Proclamation, one typical Ohio soldier wrote home:

"As for Abe, I have gone clean back on him. I am fighting to save the Union alone. The nigger can go to hell for all of me."

Of course, "saving a union" at gunpoint and against its own constitution was stupid enough.

As for the kikes in the country at that time, the ones in the South may not have been agitating, but the ones up North were; one of the jew abos harshly criticized the hebes south of the Mason-Dixon Line for basically forgetting their tribal history in supporting the slaveholding Southerners.

In my opinion, this interminable North vs. South sniping is wearying & counterproductive. Was the main source of anti-White insanity of 19th century America not jews but Northeastern Puritan-descended Transcendentalist scum? Yes. Are they the driving force today? No. Kike usurpers have relegated them to a secondary role, one largely restricted to voting.

Even if Southern secessionists could bring it to a vote and win that vote, I find it extremely difficult to believe that Uncle Shmuel would just say "fare thee well, erstwhile countrymen!" and leave fed bases, ships & nukes in Southern hands. No, the sitting president, whoever or whatever that might be, would rend its clothes and start solemnly intoning about the sad-but-urgent duty to defend the noble legacy of St. Abe against the new generation of racist traitors, and the Kwangress would roar its affirmation.

Kikes and the holier-than-thou Puritan remnant DO want to force their will on the "racist trailer trash" - whether it be in Alabama or Arizona.
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My guess is the joo's are going to get US in a Nuke war.

My other guess is that tens of thousands of White Americans have left the USSA in the last 11 years, and that allot of retired government officials are afraid to speak out as we have only a regime anti freedom, anti White Western media to deal with. Money men, and shabazz goys are running US now IMO.

They have had control of the central regime government since FDR, and their ruling US has given US constant war and constant subversive under mining the US from our sovereignty on the borders to war for no reason "Vietnam/Rostow brothers/LBJ thug liar, to removing the Bill Of Rights in the name of Homolandinsercurity

The allowing of open dung mining on the military was a sure sign to me that officer corp in the majority is corrupted and supportive of a fifth column jooish take over the the USSA completely.

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When Chris Floyd is at his best, as he is below, he puts things in perspective for readers that they otherwise never confront. Obama has won reelection, and his supporters think that somehow things are going to be different. Fat chance.

While evil continues to envelop America, the public is focused on CIA director General Petraeus’ resignation. The FBI spied on him and found that he was having an affair with his biographer, a woman 20 years younger than his 60 years.

What is it with Americans and sex? Why is an illicit affair the ONLY reason for removing someone from political office? Why is it that government officials, presidents and vice presidents included, can violate US statutory law and torture people, spy on Americans without the necessary warrants, murder US citizens without due process, confine US citizens to dungeons for life without evidence and due process of law, start multi-trillion dollar wars on the basis of contrived allegations that have no basis in fact, murder civilians in seven countries, overthrow legitimate governments, and all of these massive crimes against humanity can be accepted as long as no one in Washington gets any sex out of it? Is this feminism’s contribution to American morality?

Has the United States, the hero of the cold war, become in its behavior and motivations the enemy it overcame? Why does Washington want hegemony over the world? Why does Washington want this hegemony so badly that Washington is willing to murder women, children, aid workers, husbands and fathers, village elders, anyone on earth including its own American heroes?

What is the evil that drives Washington?

How can the evil that drives Washington be contained, stamped out, prevented from destroying the human race?

What does the world do when it confronts unbridled evil, which is what Washington is?

The Reality of the “Lesser Evil”

Is This Child Dead Enough for You?~ Chris Floyd

To all those now hailing the re-election of Barack Obama as a triumph of decent, humane, liberal values over the oozing-postule perfidy of the Republicans, a simple question:

Is this child dead enough for you?

This little boy was named Naeemullah. He was in his house — maybe playing, maybe sleeping, maybe having a meal — when an American drone missile was fired into the residential area where he lived and blew up the house next door. [http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...-war/?pid=999]

As we all know, these drone missiles are, like the president who wields them, super-smart, a triumph of technology and technocratic expertise. We know, for the president and his aides have repeatedly told us, that these weapons — launched only after careful consultation of the just-war strictures of St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas — strike nothing but their intended targets and kill no one but “bad guys.” Indeed, the president’s top aides have testified under oath that not a single innocent person has been among the thousands of Pakistani civilians — that is, civilians of a sovereign nation that is not at war with the United States — who have been killed by the drone missile campaign of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

Yet somehow, by some miracle, the missile that roared into the residential area where Naeemullah lived did not confine itself neatly to the house it struck. Somehow, inexplicably, the hunk of metal and wire and computer processors failed — in this one instance — to look into the souls of all the people in the village and ascertain, by magic, which ones were “bad guys” and then kill only them. Somehow — perhaps the missile had been infected with Romney cooties? — this supercharged hunk of high explosives simply, well, exploded with tremendous destructive power when it struck the residential area, blowing the neighborhood to smithereens.

As Wired reports, shrapnel and debris went flying through the walls of Naeemullah’s house and ripped through his small body. When the attack was over — when the buzzing drone sent with Augustinian wisdom by the Peace Laureate was no longer lurking over the village, shadowing the lives of every defenseless inhabitant with the terrorist threat of imminent death, Naeemullah was taken to the hospital in a nearby town.

This is where the picture of above was taken by Noor Behram, a resident of North Waziristan who has been chronicling the effects of the Peace Laureate’s drone war. When the picture was taken, Naeemullah was dying. He died an hour later. [http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...-war/?pid=998]

He died.

Is he dead enough for you?

Dead enough not to disturb your victory dance in any way? Dead enough not to trouble the inauguration parties yet to come? Dead enough not to diminish, even a little bit, your exultant glee at the fact that this great man, a figure of integrity, decency, honor and compassion, will be able to continue his noble leadership of the best nation in the history of the world?
Do you have children? Do they sit your house playing happily? Do they sleep sweetly scrunched up in their warm beds at night? Do they chatter and prattle like funny little birds as you eat with them at the family table? Do you love them? Do you treasure them? Do you consider them fully-fledged human beings, beloved souls of infinite worth?

How would you feel if you saw them ripped to shreds by flying shrapnel, in your own house? How would you feel as you rushed them to the hospital, praying every step of the way that another missile won’t hurl down on you from the sky? Your child was innocent, you had done nothing, were simply living your life in your own house — and someone thousands of miles away, in a country you had never seen, had no dealings with, had never harmed in any way, pushed a button and sent chunks of burning metal into your child’s body. How would you feel as you watched him die, watched all your hopes and dreams for him, all the hours and days and years you would have to love him, fade away into oblivion, lost forever?

What would you think about the one who did this to your child? Would you say: “What a noble man of integrity and decency! I’m sure he is acting for the best.”

Would you say: “Well, this is a bit unfortunate, but it’s perfectly understandable. The Chinese government (or Iran or al Qaeda or North Korea or Russia, etc. etc.) believed there was someone next door to me who might possibly at some point in time pose some kind of threat in some unspecified way to their people or their political agenda — or maybe it was just that my next-door neighbor behaved in a certain arbitrarily chosen way that indicated to people watching him on a computer screen thousands of miles away that he might possibly be the sort of person who might conceivably at some point in time pose some kind of unspecified threat to the Chinese (Iranians/Russians, etc.), even though they had no earthly idea who my neighbour is or what he does or believes or intends. I think the person in charge of such a program is a good, wise, decent man that any person would be proud to support. Why, I think I’ll ask him to come speak at my little boy’s funeral!”

Is that what you would say if shrapnel from a missile blew into your comfortable house and killed your own beloved little boy? You would not only accept, understand, forgive, shrug it off, move on — you would actively support the person who did it, you would cheer his personal triumphs and sneer at all those who questioned his moral worthiness and good intentions? Is that really what you would do?
Well, that is what you are doing when you shrug off the murder of little Naeemullah. You are saying he is not worth as much as your child. You are saying he is not a fully-fledged human being, a beloved soul of infinite worth. You are saying that you support his death, you are happy about it, and you want to see many more like it. You are saying it doesn’t matter if this child — or a hundred like him, or a thousand like him, or, as in the Iraqi sanctions of the old liberal lion, Bill Clinton, five hundred thousand children like Naeemullah — are killed in your name, by leaders you cheer and support. You are saying that the only thing that matters is that someone from your side is in charge of killing these children. This is the reality of “lesser evilism.” [http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.co....fe-first.html]
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Before the election, we heard a lot of talk about this notion of the “lesser evil.” From prominent dissidents and opponents of empire like Daniel Ellsberg and Noam Chomsky and Robert Parry to innumerable progressive blogs to personal conversations, one heard this basic argument: “Yes, the drone wars, the gutting of civil liberties, the White House death squads and all the rest are bad; but Romney would be worse. Therefore, with great reluctance, holding our noses and shaking our heads sadly, we must choose the lesser evil of Obama and vote accordingly.”

I understand that argument, I really do. I don’t agree with it, as I made plain here many times before the election. I think the argument is wrong, I think our system is so far gone that even a “lesser evil” is too evil to support in any way, that such support only perpetuates the system’s unconscionable evils. But I’m not a purist, not a puritan, not a commissar or dogmatist. I understand that people of good will can come to a different conclusion, and feel that they must reluctantly choose one imperial-militarist-corporate faction over the other, in the belief that this will mean some slight mitigation of the potential evil that the other side commit if it took power. I used to think that way myself, years ago. Again, I now disagree with this, and I think that the good people who believe this have not, for whatever reason or reasons, looked with sufficient clarity at the reality of our situation, of what is actually being done, in their name, by the political faction they support.

But of course, I am not the sole arbiter of reality, nor a judge of others; people see what they see, and they act (or refrain from acting) accordingly. I understand that. But here is what I don’t understand: the sense of triumph and exultation and glee on the part of so many progressives and liberals and ‘dissidents’ at the victory of this “lesser evil.” Where did the reluctance, the nose-holding, the sad head-shaking go? Should they not be mourning the fact that evil has triumphed in America, even if, by their lights, it is a “lesser” evil?

If you really believed that Obama was a lesser evil — 2 percent less evil, as I believe Digby once described the Democrats in 2008 — if you really did find the drone wars and the White House death squads and Wall Street bailouts and absolution for torturers and all the rest to be shameful and criminal, how can you be happy that all of this will continue? Happy — and continuing to scorn anyone who opposed the perpetuation of this system.

The triumph of a lesser evil is still a victory for evil. If your neighborhood is tyrannized by warring mafia factions, you might prefer that the faction which occasionally doles out a few free hams wins out over their more skinflint rivals; but would you be joyful about the fact that your neighborhood is still being tyrannized by murderous criminals? Would you not be sad, cast down, discouraged and disheartened to see the violence and murder and corruption go on? Would you not mourn the fact that your children will have to grow up in the midst of all this?

So where is the mourning for the fact that we, as a nation, have come to this: a choice between murderers, a choice between plunderers? Even if you believe that you had to participate and make the horrific choice that was being offered to us — “Do you want the Democrat to kill these children, or do you want the Republican to kill these children?” — shouldn’t this post-election period be a time of sorrow, not vaulting triumph and giddy glee and snarky put-downs of the “losers”?

If you really are a “lesser evilist” — if this was a genuine moral choice you reluctantly made, and not a rationalization for indulging in unexamined, primitive partisanship — then you will know that we are ALL the losers of this election. Even if you believe it could have been worse, it is still very bad. You yourself proclaimed that Obama was evil — just a bit “lesser” so than his opponent. (2 percent maybe.) And so the evil that you yourself saw and named and denounced will go on. Again I ask: where is the joy and glory and triumph in this? Even if you believe it was unavoidable, why celebrate it? And ask yourself, bethink yourself: what are you celebrating? This dead child, and a hundred like him? A thousand like him? Five hundred thousand like him? How far will you go? What won’t you celebrate?

And so step by step, holding the hand of the “lesser evil,” we descend deeper and deeper into the pit.

Chris Floyd is an American writer based in the UK. His blog, “Empire Burlesque,” can be found at http://www.chris-floyd.com.

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P.S. Norway Nobel race traitors committee IMO, can stick those Nobel Peace Prize's up their ass, you dirty bastards
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Old November 18th, 2012 #205
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This troll cunt Jethro should have been banned long ago. He actually believes that Southern states voted for Romney out of racial pride, not because he's a Republican. He also conveniently forgets of number of Northwest and plains states that voted for Romney. Almost inexplicably, he fails to mention the whites that voted for Romney in states that went for Obama. Ignoring the fact that most white man period did not vote for Obama, south or no south. But these whites aren't race conscious, whereas those in the south are? What. A. Clown.

And he wants to debate Alex? Fuck his ass up, Alex. You might as well if you're giving him the time of day.

I'm thinking as a race we'd be better off without the south anyway. It's loaded with niggers that suck the welfare system dry (taking money from wealthy Northerners in Obama states). It's loaded with Christians of the worst variety who will never be on our side due to their worshiping of Jewsus, the Jews, and Izzyhell. Who needs it? As for Texas, America as a whole could do without the border area of that state which is loaded with Mexcrement. We'd save billions. Let it go too. Other than for a vacation during the winter months the south isn't very useful.
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Why would ordinary white folks even in East Texas and the deep south ever agree to secede when it would mean the end of their medicare, government jobs, funding for contractors and such things?
Among the catalysts for secession would be the cessation of the welfare state, or some similar collapse of the current system.

Without those checks, what keeps a good 200 million or more folks loyal to this government?

Another down turn is possible in 2013.
 
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1.) If a state decided to secede on its own initiative, I seriously doubt that the federal government would attempt to coerce the seceding state. Canada is willing to let Quebec go. Britain is willing to let Scotland go. Even the Soviet Union was willing to allow the Ukraine to go.

2.) If this was just a small group of kooks and malcontents, they would have been known to us previously. The Deep South voted overwhelmingly for Romney and Ryan in spite of their position on Medicare and Social Security.
 
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I'm thinking as a race we'd be better off without the south anyway. It's loaded with niggers that suck the welfare system dry (taking money from wealthy Northerners in Obama states). It's loaded with Christians of the worst variety who will never be on our side due to their worshiping of Jewsus, the Jews, and Izzyhell. Who needs it? As for Texas, America as a whole could do without the border area of that state which is loaded with Mexcrement. We'd save billions. Let it go too. Other than for a vacation during the winter months the south isn't very useful.
Where do we sign?

The North has given us the abolition of slavery, black citizenship, the 14th and 15th Amendment, the Civil Rights Acts of 1866, 1870, and 1875, the Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1960, 1965, 1968, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the Immigration Act of 1965, and two terms of Barack Obama.

It's truly funny how you Yankees have managed to convince yourselves that the Jews made you the way you are. Before the Jews even arrived in the United States, you had already made blacks into citizens, repealed all your own anti-miscegenation laws, and integrated every state in the North from top to bottom.

The Jews were still in Russia and Poland when you people were swooning over Frederick Douglass.
 
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Look forward to listening to the debate on archive. I'm very much an admirer of Mr. Linder but I've got a Southern bias (not the religion part or the conservative part, but culture and heritage). Either way I'd hope that we all realize we're White before we're regional.
 
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Anyone who wants to create a "White Republic" with the Northeast is a fool considering how thoroughly they destroyed the original one. All it would take to destroy the "White ethnostate" is for another Frederick Douglass or Martin Luther King or Barack Obama to come along and the Yankees would fall in love all over again.
 
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Right. I feel an affinity for any racially/jew-aware White whether they be up north, out west, or over the ocean.

We are all in the same boat, and the kike has drilled a big hole in the bottom, so everybody bail.
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Right. I feel an affinity for any racially/jew-aware White whether they be up north, out west, or over the ocean.

We are all in the same boat, and the kike has drilled a big hole in the bottom, so everybody bail.
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I've never had an issue with southerners who are White Nationalists, Racial Socialists, or anybody like that - people who believe in the right things and do things the right way. Hell it was a southerner, David Duke, who's books were very informative and key in my development as a White person.

However I do have an issue with lies and phony pride. Just after Obammy was re-elected it reached a crescendo on here immediately: No, there is no reason to be proud of voting for WWW (Willard "Wailing Wall") Romney. In fact, I don't even know why democracy is being debated on here in the first place. It's a joke and will never get us anywhere.

Agree 100% that we should be White way before we're regional. That should be obvious since our brothers in White nations across the globe are struggling and in danger, not just in different regions here in the U.S.
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Agree 100% that we should be White way before we're regional. That should be obvious since our brothers in White nations across the globe are struggling and in danger, not just in different regions here in the U.S.
180 years of experience has demonstrated that when Yankees say "trust us, we're White" that we're about to get fucked over big time. Southerners might just as well paint a bullseye on their back.
 
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If we could do it all over again in full knowledge of everything that has happened since 1789, would anyone here be in favor of creating a "White Republic" with the Northeast?
 
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I take that to mean if we can break the jewish stranglehold on our country, Whites from the north and south would sort our differences.
 
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Where do we sign?

The North has given us the abolition of slavery, black citizenship, the 14th and 15th Amendment, the Civil Rights Acts of 1866, 1870, and 1875, the Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1960, 1965, 1968, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the Immigration Act of 1965, and two terms of Barack Obama.

It's truly funny how you Yankees have managed to convince yourselves that the Jews made you the way you are. Before the Jews even arrived in the United States, you had already made blacks into citizens, repealed all your own anti-miscegenation laws, and integrated every state in the North from top to bottom.

The Jews were still in Russia and Poland when you people were swooning over Frederick Douglass.
The fact is that the North didn't have much personal experience with niggers. You know what I mean when I say that hating niggers and living around them go hand-in-glove. The converse is also true, the further you live from them, the more you can tolerate them. The seeming affection that the North had for niggers was only due to there being few of them around.

Even today, you see states that are very white like Oregon, Washington and Vermont voting for Obama. Similarly in the 1800's when there were very few niggers living anywhere in the northern states, Northerner were more pro-nigger.

I see you want to blame us "Damn Yankees" but don't. It's only a function of how many niggers we had in our midst. If you were to get rid of all but a few hundred of your niggers in the South, I bet your attitude on niggers would be a bit more sympathetic, don't you think?
 
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We understand that there are areas in the north that don't have a clue about niggers, they believe they are all like Denzel Washington. Problem is, without knowing niggers for what they are, they keep shoving them down our throats. When we secede, you can have them all, so you can teach the yanks about the hideous nature of the spook.
 
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I agree that familiarity breeds contempt.
 
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We understand that there are areas in the north that don't have a clue about niggers
But, TJB of Palestine is on display for the entire world to see right now, so go with the flow. Capture the moment. Wax poetic.

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