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Old August 5th, 2007 #121
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Rarely do I speak out against individuals who support our cause and then, always, it has been in self defense after first having been maligned by them. Today, I must break that rule and add my voice to those in condemnation of Joe Fields and his scheduled March conference.

FIRST, Joe Fields is a self-confessed child molester.

In 1996, Fields pled "nolo contendre" to four counts of violating California's Penal Code Section 647.6, in exchange for the prosecution dropping another five counts under the same statute.

Pleading [nolo[/i] to a charge (literally, "no contest," or "you got me dead to rights and I ain't got no defense") is a fiction created by the courts to allow guys like Fields to claim, somehow, that they didn't really plead guilty. Courts do this because it saves time by getting cases closed that, otherwise, would have to be tried in order to obtain the inevitable guilty verdict. People pleading "nolo" get marked down as "guilty" and are sentenced accordingly.

The most recent extended descriptions by Bill White, posted at his site, Overthrow.com, and in this thread are accurate in all respects, so I will not recount the details. The statute, which makes it illegal to "molest or annoy any child under the age of 18," is not used lightly or frivolously. Not in LA, where the cops and the DAs have far more real work to do than they can handle. The next step up from this charge requires actual sexual intercourse with children.

Both Bill White and Tom Metzger provided me partial copies of Fields' court file, at my request and without much of any comment. I saw the rest for myself in the LA County records. The file speaks for itself. Joe pled, did some hard time and then served extended probation.

SECOND, Joe Fields is a liar.

When the allegations first were brought to my attention via postings to VNN, I called Fields and spoke to him. Fields absolutely swore to me that, while he "mistakenly" had been charged with six counts under the statute above, eventually all those charges were dropped and he was not convicted, nor did he pay any penalties. At the time, it seemed unlikely to me that he would so baldly lie to me about something so easily verified. I was wrong. As the court file was to show, he lied to me.

Fields also wrote an extended letter to the WN community at the time which attempted to explain away the charges and his admissions thereto. He lied extensively in it about the charges, the meaning of his pleas, his lawyer and about appealing the result. Fields tried to blame copping the pleas on his lawyer's pressure and lying, then made some truly remarkable claims about the lawyer, to boot.

I found no evidence of Fields appealing squat. He lied about that.

Quite recently, I spoke at length with Fields' lawyer at the time, Encino lawyer David Currie. Though Currie was unable to discuss much about the case, due to attorney-client privilege, California Attorney Disciplinary rules do allow an attorney to speak out enough to rebut charges made by an ex-client. Currie unequivocally called Fields' written charges (he never even had heard about Fields' letter prior to my call) "absolutely false." I believe him. Fields lied about his lawyer.

Fields issued his conference announcement stating that I would be present before I confirmed that I would attend. Despite that, I did confirm, because of the others who already (according to Fields) had confirmed. I have spoken to a couple of them. At least some of them did NOT confirm. "He shouldn't be saying that about me, since I don't even intend to be there, let alone speak," said one to me. Fields lied about that.

I invited Fields to respond to some of the above material. He declined to do so...apparently more "nolo contendre." Silence in the face of accusation is acquiescence.

Yes, one should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Once the primary evidence of guilt is produced, however, the presumption then shifts to the accused. At that point, silence is an admission (save only in a formal court of law, though juries pretty much see things that way, too).

There is more, but that is more than enough for me. I will NOT be attending Fields' conference. I encourage you not to attend. If the listed speakers who have not yet returned my calls or answered my emails will do either, I personally will attempt to dissuade them from attending, either.

Some may think my attitude about this matter to be too harsh. To those, I say: You have a problem, not I, and perhaps you should seek treatment for it.

Admittedly, child molestation is something of a "third rail" for me, since I believe that child molesters should receive the death penalty for a first offense. Solicitation of children for sexual purposes, which is all to which Fields pled guilty, is enough for me to want to see someone locked up for a long time. Had I been the judge, Fields would not have gotten off so lightly, despite no apparent evidence of his having actually touched any of the children who identified him.

Should someone actually touch my child, I hope the authorities never hear about it .... do the math.

Lying is another matter, albeit lesser. Honesty and forthrightness are key with me in life. When someone lies repeatedly, I thereafter refuse to believe anything he has to say. Henceforth, just as will I, you are entitled to disregard anything Joe Fields has to say about anything.

We do not need this sort of role model in the WN movement. Just now, Kevin Strom's lengthening silence makes clear that he, too, is some sort of pervert. Terrific. Just terrific.

It is our responsibility to clean up our own act and condemn those among us who break the law, particularly when violations so thoroughly trash the fundamental principles upon which we stand.

Make no mistake: Joe Fields was not a political prisoner. Obviously, neither is Kevin Strom. These men do not deserve our support. They have not earned our indulgence for this sort of thing. If we do not step up and condemn their actions, then we are hypocrites and worse.

I am not the first to cast a stone in the direction of either Fields or Strom, but now I do just that. What you do is between your conscience and yourself, but I will not sit silently while men such as these posture and presume to speak for us.

Because of the extensive censorship that exists over at Stormfront, particularly concerning Strom, I will not be posting this there myself, but I encourage those of you who think it might survive to do so.

If anybody knows of Fields' conference having been advertised elsewhere, please let me know so that I might set the record straight there, as well.

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Old August 5th, 2007 #122
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Let me get this straight, Mark, on Free Talk Live we're allowed to talk freely about anything except Christianity and to quote from any book except the Bible? Will atheists, agnostics, odinists, creativity people, and the myriad of followers of other doctrines who guest on FTL also be encouraged not to voice their beliefs lest they upset some poor, sensitive soul?
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Old August 5th, 2007 #123
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White Dragon, I heard about the Edgar Steele rant, but I also heard Fields was railroaded..... I'm going to meet him in the next month, and I'm a very good judge of character. I'm not discounting Steele, but Fields was one of the first WN that got pushed under the pedofile bandwagon....

Like I said, I'm going to meet him, and if it makes sense I'll bring him on a show. We'll see what happens, but if the charges are bullshit, and I'll discuss it....
 
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You guys were taking about Toledo. The answp is going there august 17. Be there. contact bill white.
 
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contact bill white.

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White Dragon, I heard about the Edgar Steele rant, but I also heard Fields was railroaded..... I'm going to meet him in the next month, and I'm a very good judge of character. I'm not discounting Steele, but Fields was one of the first WN that got pushed under the pedofile bandwagon....

Like I said, I'm going to meet him, and if it makes sense I'll bring him on a show. We'll see what happens, but if the charges are bullshit, and I'll discuss it....
He was not railroaded - He IS a pervert.

He wanted young Mexican Girls to appear in porn movies with him.
 
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He was not railroaded - He IS a pervert.

Well like I said. I'm going to meet him in person, and will either confirm or deny it....
 
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Well like I said. I'm going to meet him in person, and will either confirm or deny it....
The Edgar Steele "rant" as you call it (above) was a statement he issued after he looked over all the facts.
 
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The Edgar Steele "rant" as you call it (above) was a statement he issued after he looked over all the facts.
WD he refers to his OWN comments as "rants". Just out of curiousity, and don't get me wrong, because I think Edgar Steele is extremely bright, do you think I'm entitled after all the bullshit that's gone on, that I can make my own decision and report back?
 
Old August 5th, 2007 #130
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The Edgar Steele "rant" as you call it (above) was a statement he issued after he looked over all the facts.
Hey WD, I think Marv only called it a rant because that's what Mr. Steele calls them, "nickel rants" and all that. Good to see you around. :]
 
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Back to the topic... Elisha I don't know if you listened to the LIVE show, but you might want to listen to the show when it's uploaded... It'll set you straight...
 
Old August 5th, 2007 #132
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... Agreed.
Thanks Tony... In my most sarcastic voice ever
 
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All those in favor of a Dietrich/ Todd FL show say "I"
Dietrich is a smart guy and he runs a very professional show, why did he get run off? Who complained about his show and what did they complain about?

My only minor problem with Dietrich is that he often sounds incredibly smug like the type of guy who enjoys smelling his own farts and drives a Hybrid to save the planet from global warming. :krofl
 
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Dietrich is a smart guy and he runs a very professional show, why did he get run off? Who complained about his show and what did they complain about?

My only minor problem with Dietrich is that he often sounds incredibly smug like the type of guy who enjoys smelling his own farts and drives a Hybrid to save the planet from global warming. :krofl
LMAO!

Well, that's part of the reason. Most folks on TV/Radio have been voice trained so that they come across well. We don't have any of that, so our linguistic localisms and individual idiosyncrasies come out loud and clear.

Never been accused of being smug, though. I'm the other way--one of the few academics who refuse the ivory tower, since I don't know any doctoral graduates who can build a house, fix a car, or repair plumbing.

And gee, thanks buddy! I see what you're talking about w/ the smug arseholes driving the little hybrids. My dream-ride is a 911. sigh

 
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When will Friday's archived FTL be up so we can listen? Was it a good show?
 
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Thx, Alex.
http://www.savefile.com/files/947356
 
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Gee, Dietrich, a doctoral graduate who can also build a house, fix a car and repair plumbing? Where've you been all my life?
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Gee, Dietrich, a doctoral graduate who can also build a house, fix a car and repair plumbing? Where've you been all my life?
nonono, I was saying I've never met a doctoral student who can also do that stuff. Not saying that I can. I spent a few years w/ dad building houses though--just long enough to appreciate that academics have no monopoly on the use of gray matter.
 
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