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Old January 15th, 2014 #21
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It's an odd world, to be sure. But I have never found reality tricking me. I can say with 99.9% certainty there is no God, but I can say with 100% certainty that if there is a god, he is not at all as the christians depict him - loving. He is sadistic, perverted and twisted - a god of sniggering irony. This is visible in 1000 ways, but you have to have something of an artistic streak (a sensitivity to how effects are produced) and a sense of humor - and christians are notoriously humorless. Anyone who can read the book of Revelation without laughing and chucking the thing across the room - is qualified to be a christian. Not qualified to be a human, though.
LOL.

Well I think enough is said.
 
Old January 15th, 2014 #22
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LOL.

Well I think enough is said.
That still makes sense..

He's 99.9% certain there isn't, but on the 0.1% chance there is he's 100% positive he would have the characteristics above.
 
Old January 15th, 2014 #23
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I don't mind the term Atheist. Despite it having been co-opted by the enemy, and despite it's vunerability to circular logic, Atheist is nevertheless simple and established, and requires no lengthy explanation.

We should still fight to take the word Atheism away from White christards who have defined it by historically linking it to 'godless communism leftism and liberalism' which is beyond ridiculous as we all know that commies/leftists/liberals have much more in common ideologically with christards than with those who actually believe in biological reality.

I do think that Alex's 'rat' is funny though, and it certainly does make sense by showing that it still stands up strong and confident, even when you throw shit at it, unlike christinsanity which needs tons of perfume and yet it still stinks.
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Old January 15th, 2014 #24
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I don't mind the term Atheist. Despite it having been co-opted by the enemy, and despite it's vunerability to circular logic, Atheist is nevertheless simple and established, and requires no lengthy explanation.
That's true. I just don't want any association with the leftists who have unfortunately tied the only rational position in response to the jebus club's god assertion to a bunch of communist shit I equally reject.

By similar reasoning the, reason I go with rat instead of the full rationalist is that rationalism is already associated with a group of men - the French revolutionaries. And they might as well have ruined that term.

So rat it will have to be. For me! I'm not pushing it for anyone else. Just making the point that it's very unfortunate there is no simple, neutral descriptor for those who reject the god assertion.
 
Old January 16th, 2014 #25
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The opposite of ATHEISM (no spiritual) is THEISM (spiritual).
Did you atheists ever read short book who wrote William Pierce (educated man)-CosmoTHEISM? If you red this,what is your opinion about this theism?
I'm not sure if I've read it or not, but I know the basic idea, from Pierce's writing and from Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds, in which Griffin goes over its history. It comes from George Bernard Shaw, as I recall.

I don't personally see any need for Cosmotheism, either as a religion people can join, or, intellectually, as an idea. Any system with an ineffectual god, to me is silly.

I see no design or purpose in the universe. Oh, it's above my pay grade? Really? How do you know that? I don't accept that. Something may be beyond my ability to comprehend - but not beyond someone else's. There is nothing in the world that can't ultimately be understood. Look at the human record - a steady increase in what we know. While the religious thought-queers like Augustine are warning us about curiosity being a sin. A man who can think doesn't need a church. The conmen who run churches know this.

And I can tell you as someone his entire life engaged in producing effects, if there is a god, loving aint a good description of him. If you look at the world as a product of design, "loving" is the very last word you would associate with
its designer. Sadistic would be in the top ten, and very possibly #1. This, again, is easy to see, if you have eyes. Christians are blind. Not by nature - by choice. This is one of a thousand reasons they're contemptible to humans.

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I see here mention of the Vatican. Vatican is state within a state,they don't promote real Romancatolicism,he (Vatican) is globalist branch who have own agents who promotes interests only one states-Vatican he only care about his own state.
The Vatican is the center of a giant, globalist enterprise, most of whose members are muds.

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Secularism is the answer for this with ideology who promote interests for defend race,nation and state. People like people-they have right for belive in spiritual but let they consetracion on they own race,nation and state and not on priests (any other religion),because people tuday know how to read what some religion say and priests are not required.

P.S. Alex,I can sense wich religion lies on you posts Why? I red your theme when you past chapter one book wich I read,chapter is "Racial history in Haiti" (thereabouts).
You'll have to get closer to English before I can make out what you're saying, still too far down in the water, good chum.

I have written to a very limited extent about the origins of my political views in the pre-political belief, which I have never not had, that reality exists. If you think reality is option, you are not likely to become a right-winger. At least so far as daily business on earth is concerned. You might well embrace christoid fantasies about la-la lands in the clouds.

Contrast the jew approach with the christian:

jewism is a racial religion. Jewism promotes strength and specificity.

Catholicism is a universal religion. It champions weakness and catholicity.

See the difference?

The gun to a gunfight is a jewism for whites: a religion that promotes strength, and a religion that is specific to whites - built to their unique racial spiritual needs, or geared to produce the type its creator wishes to see. Which would be a strain among. Make that strain the entire race, rather than just a strain in a race. The jews are helping on this part by promoting race mixing, which ends white lines, turns them into muddy lanes.
 
Old January 16th, 2014 #26
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I don't like being rude to people, especially neighbors. So I'm not going to walk up to a random Christian and tell them their god is a dead jew on a stick unless I feel like they're disrespecting me. If they guy would have just agreed not to place any more leaflets on my doorstep, I would have left it at that.
I believe very much in manners. That might not be apparent from the style I use here, but I do. In public, I don't go after anyone. Now, if they are on a soapbox, then they're open to counters. If they come by my door, and I'm in a mood, I'll have a round with them. One doesn't press one's political views on other people in public, one mind's one's own business - and one protects one's rights, jealously. People with nothing to express believe in self-expression. People who are maturally mentally control themselves in public. Self-control makes for a superior society.

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I came to a point in life many years ago, where I got tired of being shit on. And that means if I have a problem with something, then that person will know about it. To me, giving that christian an ass chewing is the same thing as giving a co-worker an ass chewing over borrowing my tools and not putting them back where they found them.
If they're aggressive, then by all means, one has a duty to go after them. If they're simply canvassing or out in public, what they do is their business. If they're being overtly political, then yes, I will go after them if what they are doing is socially destructive, as it often, but not always, is.
 
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BTW, unlike 99% of terms I devise or incorporate, I didn't intend 'rat' to be used by others, unless they wanted to, it's just what I'm doing personally to separate myself from the leftists who have coopted the lone rejection that has been whipped up into the unnecessary 'atheism,' by its enemies, more than by its supporters. I personally will avoid any association with leftist shitbag communists, just as I avoid any association with rightist jebus nuthuggers. Rat is just, well, sort of funny, too. Better a rat than a cultist!

Also, being a rat(ionalist) doesn't mean all my positions are right or rational. It means I recognize rational thinking - the interplay between sense-evidence, thought and reality-feedback, as the best and only proven way to gain a real understanding of the world.

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Old January 16th, 2014 #28
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I was talking to a Mormon the other day about his interpretation of the four levels of heaven. On the highest level, a true LDS becomes a god of their very own universe, which is a perk of the nery highest order. It differs very little from the 96 virgins promised to true believers in the Muslim religion, or the "sharing god's very own DNA" idealogy of Jews.
Yep, a lot of people don't know this. Although I find mormonism vastly preferable to most of the other varieties of jebooism, mormons believe many ridiculous and untrue things. They also whitewash their own history, as they lack the character to acknowledge their true origins in a conman's treasure-hunting brain.
 
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Hell yeah who wouldn't like that? I'm King God. That's MISTER King God to you, motherfucker. Fuck off.

Hey Alex, they're a-comin to getchoo
I lived among mormons for years, they never got me. I did play in their ward spots leagues! But i never went to their ward singles events, nor did my siblings.

Mormons play basketball like niggers, just spastic racing up and down.
 
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I came to a point in life many years ago, where I got tired of being shit on. And that means if I have a problem with something, then that person will know about it. To me, giving that christian an ass chewing is the same thing as giving a co-worker an ass chewing over borrowing my tools and not putting them back where they found them.
Fair enough. I agree the co-worker is absolutely being disrespectful, but did you perceive the guy leaving the religious pamphlets as shitting on you as well? I guess it comes down to a matter of degrees. Not saying you were right or wrong in the way you handled it, I wasn't there.

Serious question (I'm not attempting to flame you): Would you call yourself an "angry" guy? Do you think others who know you would describe you that way? I'm just curious.

For me, I've found ass chewings are a last resort, and are best used strategically.
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Outside RAT-U's campus we can see the school mascot weaving godless strands of rationality, demonic logic, and sinful science.
 
Old January 16th, 2014 #32
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Contrast the jew approach with the christian:

jewism is a racial religion. Jewism promotes strength and specificity.

Catholicism is a universal religion. It champions weakness and catholicity.
Do you think that universal religion (religion who don't have racial issue) is problem why coming to race-mixing? Where is the alternative? People always speak about problem but rarely give solutions. Is the solution racial religion?


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See the difference?
Difference is obvious,but people have lot of interpreting differences.
Do you speak as a member of some religion about other religion?
 
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Fair enough. I agree the co-worker is absolutely being disrespectful, but did you perceive the guy leaving the religious pamphlets as shitting on you as well? I guess it comes down to a matter of degrees. Not saying you were right or wrong in the way you handled it, I wasn't there.
Yeah, I felt like he disrespected me. Like I said, if he would have agreed to not leave anymore leaflets on my doorstep I would have left it at that. But instead of was dead set on preaching buy-bull to me after I hinted to him in as respectful of a way as I could that I didn't care.

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Serious question (I'm not attempting to flame you): Would you call yourself an "angry" guy? Do you think others who know you would describe you that way? I'm just curious.

For me, I've found ass chewings are a last resort, and are best used strategically.
I'm not an angry guy at all. Sometimes the quickest way to solve a social problem is to let people know that you have a problem. 9 times out of 10, the problem is solved. Whiners are the ones who bitch to other people, men are the ones that take their problems to the people they have a problem with directly.

Some people might think I'm an asshole, but that usually depends on how they've treated me.
 
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I believe very much in manners. That might not be apparent from the style I use here, but I do. In public, I don't go after anyone. Now, if they are on a soapbox, then they're open to counters. If they come by my door, and I'm in a mood, I'll have a round with them. One doesn't press one's political views on other people in public, one mind's one's own business - and one protects one's rights, jealously. People with nothing to express believe in self-expression. People who are maturally mentally control themselves in public. Self-control makes for a superior society.
Religion is one of those things I view as a personal matter. People who aggressively seek to "share" it with others, like dropping leaflets on others door steps, I view as being disrespectful. Lets use the Amish as an example, they're about as christian as it gets, and they aren't imposing their views on others. I'd prefer they all behave like the Amish, and keep to themselves, for the same reason I'd prefer fags keep to themselves.

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If they're aggressive, then by all means, one has a duty to go after them. If they're simply canvassing or out in public, what they do is their business. If they're being overtly political, then yes, I will go after them if what they are doing is socially destructive, as it often, but not always, is.
Part of the reason we're in the situation we're in is because of christians imposing their religion on others. If they want to be christian, I don't care, just don't bring it to my doorstep.
 
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Some things that always struck me as odd before atheism

1. Every race and region had its own gods and goddesses, who all reflected
the cultural mores and behavior of the people that made them. Even Xenophanes and others notes this: Every place has gods and goddesses of their own social design. "If triangles had Gods, they would have 3 sides."

2. Noting this, how could anybody be a universalist with religion? Even supposing one were "true" that would just have made it true for that group of people. This also made the idea of missionary work very bizarre to me.

3. The first point and the second lead to the third:The provincialism of it all.
Why just one region producing religion for everything? Why only 1 Moses, 1 Son of God and 1 Muhammed? Why not 200 people all saying the same things in every region?

4. The most important thing in the religions are books which are meant to parsed and puzzled over by grandees. How can God have a perfect mind if he can't even reason simply? Why produce a "Holy Book" after several centuries of fractious debate in a time that predates mass literacy and the printing press?
Nobody has a problem with the Torah and Talmud and Koran and Bible taking centuries to make and then predating mass publication and mass literacy by well over 1000 years?
 
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