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Old June 2nd, 2008 #1
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From page 2 (Section 2, a & b) and page 3 of Erhard Milch’s spoken statement, sworn and notarized on 9 April 1947.

Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch

In this connection I would also like to convey the following facts: On 17 September 1945, Major Emery, an interrogator from England, whom I already knew as he was known in England, or “Englishman”, as he was known in Germany, sought me in my quarters in the Kaufbeuren Interrogation Compound. I suppose that his real name is different. He was, as he had once old me, a New York banker. He commanded the American interrogation group to which a Capt. Tracy (also a cover name, most likely) also belonged. The American interrogation group was located in the English interrogation compound of Camp 7. Mr. Emery asked me about my ancestry, meaning that if I were of jewish ancestry, be would be able to remove me from all further prosecution. As I informed him that his supposition was not pertinent, he thought that be could not change things. The same gentleman visited me in Nuremberg on 5 November 1945, as I was just being questioned by an American interrogator. By chance I heard that it was a Major Mohagan (?). After a short conference, Emery Mohagan asked that we be left alone. Emery then said to me that if I were to make more favorable statements on behalf of Göring, Speer and the other accused in the International Military Tribunal, I must myself reckon with a war crimes trial against me. I replied that I took part in no war crimes and I could not see how I could be tried. Emery answered: “That is a small matter. If we wish, we could try every German, regardless if he committed crimes or not. Why do you want to stand up for Göring, Speer et al.? They would not do it for you, and I shall give you some good advice: It is in your own interests to testify against these people.” I replied that I could only tell the truth and that my person played no role in this matter, and that I did not fear a trial. Emery answered: “You must consider that you are still young, that you can again play a role, and that you must think of your family.”

Naturally I refused his offer, even if it were well-intended. With that he concluded that he could no longer be of any assistance. In this instant I knew that they would attempt to start a war crimes trial against me. I have also brought this matter to the attention of several comrades in Nuremberg as well as in Dachau, and also to the Swiss representative of The International Red Cross in Geneva, at that time.

(signed) Erhard Milch

The above signature of Erhard Milch, given at the Nuremberg Justice Building, before Attorney Dr. Friedrich Bergold, is hereby attested and witnessed by me.
Nuremberg, 9 April 1947
(signed) Dr. Friedrich Bergold
Defence Attorney for Military Tribunal II
Nuremberg

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The above is an all-important document proving clearly how brutal and unjust the Allies and their mostly jewish trial specialists were in laying trumped up charges against German leaders.

Translated from the German by E. Thomson
 
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Wow! That's a great find.

This alone is enough for a reasonable man that the whole thing was a hoax. A false court cannot produce true evidence.
 
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Read carefully. Erhard Milch was not jewish.
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Read carefully. Erhard Milch was not jewish.
I don't agree . You are reading things into the statement, just implications not solid fact .

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As I informed him that his supposition was not pertinent
that's evasive, not a direct answer.

Most all historians ( real Germans ) count Milch as one of the two jewish field marshals .

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Milch can't be a jew. Everybody knows Hitler gassed every jew he could find!

Serously, why should Milch have denied being a jew if he was one and admitting it would get him a get-out-of-jail card? David Irving wrote his biography and he says Milch wasn't jewish.
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Serously, why should Milch have denied being a jew if he was one and admitting it would get him a get-out-of-jail card? David Irving wrote his biography and he says Milch wasn't jewish.
He already knew he was home free , no need to admit to anything , especially in public . Irving can make errors .

Crypto-jews have had centuries of practice at hiding their true identities . Milch , Morrel and dozens more of 'Nazi' jews kept their ancestory quiet .

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Milch was born in Wilhelmshaven to a Jewish father and a Christian mother. Clara Milch's pre-marital surname was Rosenau, which suggests Jewish ancestry. Professor Robert Wistrich claims that when researching Milch for his book (Who's who in Nazi Germany), he discovered that the Rosenaus were also Jews.

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Old June 11th, 2008 #7
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Milch can't be a jew. Everybody knows Hitler gassed every jew he could find!

Serously, why should Milch have denied being a jew if he was one and admitting it would get him a get-out-of-jail card? David Irving wrote his biography and he says Milch wasn't jewish.
Not exactly, but almost; there were Mischlinge (part-Jewish soldiers) and occasional Aryanized officers (e.g. Ernst Bloch). SS were required to be Aryan.
 
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Milch wasn't jewish. He was one of the smartest and most competent Nazis . Read David Irving's book on him.
 
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Milch wasn't jewish. He was one of the smartest and most competent Nazis . Read David Irving's book on him.
That's true, he was A HELL of a guy! As I recall in Irvings book, he had a bad accident and on the same day, in acute pain from busted ribs he flew to Stalingrad to see the situation the Luftwaffe was in for himself. He was one tough mother.
 
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That's true, he was A HELL of a guy! As I recall in Irvings book, he had a bad accident and on the same day, in acute pain from busted ribs he flew to Stalingrad to see the situation the Luftwaffe was in for himself. He was one tough mother.
From the onset of this thread until now I did some inquiry and I take Bernie's comment as pointing in the right direction.

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We are told that Adolf Hitler was the leader of the NSDAP and the Nazi movement. Yet many rumors, even some spread by officials within the Nazi party, point to Hitler as being π Jewish. Hitler even had a copy of his family tree published in the Third Reich to prove his Aryan heritage. Supposedly this was to allay rumors that he was part Czech, but this was most likely nothing more than a cover. Lastly, there is some telling evidence from the fact that at the wedding ceremony for Adolf and Eva Braun, Hitler himself was asked if he was of Aryan descent. According to eyewitness accounts from those present, such as Hitler's personal secretary Traudl Junge, Goebbels quickly intervened when this question was posed to the Fuhrer. Did the Reichminister of propaganda know something that the rest of the historical community does not? Remember, π Jewish blood is enough to gain citizenship in Israel.
The Hitler in the Berlin Bunker was the one who had problems with his
arm ("Tatterarm"), the real Hitler survived and died as a dignified person which means the whole above story is BS.




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Of course historians will claim that Hitler's Jewish ancestry, despite a large amount of circumstantial evidence, is still just a rumor. Very well then, but let us consider some of the confirmed Jews within the National Socialist movement. Let us start with Field Marshal Erich Von Mannstein. Mannstein is known as being possibly one of Hitler's greatest commanders; he is also known as being half-Jewish. He openly admitted this to other high-ranking individuals in the Nazi hierarchy. Why would he do such a thing if the Nazis were actually an anti-Semitic movement which aimed at the physical destruction of Jews? Other high ranking military officials with Jewish descent include: Commander Paul Ascher, one of the first staff officers on the Bismarck, quarter-Jewish Admiral Bernhardt Rogge, winner of the Knight's Cross, half-Jewish Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg, and half-Jewish Luftwaffe Field Marshal Erhard Milch. All of these figures received numerous prestigious awards from the Nazi government. Milch in particular was given the status of "Aryan" despite his half-Jewish heritage. If the Nazis could simply declare Jews to be "Aryans", it begs the question as to how many Jews were re-classified as Germans. This suggests that the already high number of Jews in influential positions throughout the Third Reich may be far higher than previously believed. Most important of all, this could possibly resolve the rumor of Hitler's Jewish ancestry, since it is very well possible that he had himself classified as German by his cronies.



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Probably one of the most egregious examples of Jewish perfidy in the Third Reich was the use of half-Jew Werner Goldberg in propaganda publications with accompanying captions that read "The Ideal German Soldier". The fact that the state propaganda machine elevated a Jew as a representative of German ideals is telling indeed. More information about the Jews in Hitler's military can be found in the book Hitler's Jewish Soldiers by Mark Bryan Rigg.
This Bryan sounds fishy to me: "150 000 faithfull jewish soldiers fighting
for Hitler"...
No wonder Germany lost...went through my mind...
 
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August 20th, 1986

Dear Sir,


SINCE Field Marshal Erhard Milch is dead may I as his authorized biographer (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1971) comment on your story (Aug.20) that upon seeing the "corpses of concentration camp prisoners massacred by the retreating Germans," Milch remarked: "After all they are only Poles and Jews."

Milch was the founder of Lufthansa, and Hermann Goering's deputy. In 1944 he was invalided by a car crash. Having surrendered to Scots troops he was turned over to a British Commando unit near Neustadt. His diary of May 4, 1945 describes: "Robbed. Cowardly maltreatment by British brigadier-general of Commandos. . ."

While an army camera filmed the scene and commandos trained tommy-guns on the invalid this vengeful general had strutted in, seized the field marshal's silver knobbed "interim baton" and whipped him until his skull fractured and the baton broke in two. (Peter Ustinov describes in his memoirs seeing the secret newsreel film.) The brigadier then resumed the onslaught with an empty champagne bottle, and stole the baton.

Milch's diary the next day states:

"Driven back to Sierhagen. . . Among other things plundered are golden marshal's baton, gold cigarette case, gold Glashütte watch, gold wristwatch, two silver wristwatches, clothes, etc. Women were robbed with pistol held at their breast. Driven back to Lüneburg."

I identified the general as Brigadier Derek Mills-Roberts, DSO. His staff confirmed it to me but, ashamed at the whipping episode, tried to link Milch with the corpses of "concentration camp prisoners" found littering the shore. In fact these prisoners had been evacuated to three liners anchored in the bay, including the Cap Arcona; a single British aircraft had sunk them the day before despite their Red Cross flags, drowning 7,000 passengers; their mass grave is still marked by a memorial on the beach at Neustadt.

Writing the Milch biography, in 1967 I put the whipping episode to Mills-Roberts. Although he had once admitted it to a mutual publisher friend [William Kimber] he now denied it and threatened to sue. Weidenfeld's refrained from identifying him on lawyers' advice.

Evidently the late brigadier was both a liar and a thief, since he not only did beat his captive unconscious but stole the proof of it -- the broken silver knobbed baton -- in breach of the Hague Rules and the Geneva Convention, and concealed it at home.

That his daughter is now offering this looted relic for cash, instead of returning it with apologies to the field marshal's family as happened with the marshal's gold baton shortly before his death can only bring further shame on the British army.

Yours faithfully,

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Download the book (or buy it, preferably) here:

http://fpp.co.uk/books/Milch/index.html

David Irving recalls something of the history of this book:

AFTER I embarked on my research for the Hitler biography Hitler's War, in the mid 1960s, I invested a lot of time and effort in tracking down the surviving high ranking officers and their families. It became evident, as I read the Nuremberg interrogation reports on Field Marshal Erhard Milch, that he had kept voluminous diaries.

I visited him in 1967 in his Düsseldorf apartment, where he lived with his niece, and he showed me a suitcase full of the diaries. He explained however that he was retaining them strictly for the use of whoever would write his biography. I volunteered at once, and thus came into possession of the diaries. I spent two or three years on this little detour, meticulously cataloging his papers and diaries, and committing them to 35mm microfilm with his permission. I provided the films and catalogues to the German military archives (Bundesarchiv).

I also transcribed the more significant entries from these diaries from the 1920s right through to the 1950s, this being my first introduction to Old German handwriting (my microfilm DJ-59 has the transcripts). From time to time in 1967, 1968, and 1969 I went back to Düsseldorf and interviewed him on the basis on these diaries; I reeled out of his apartment each evening, my head swimming from the choking cigars that he smoked throughout our interviews.

The tape recordings are still preserved, and the tapes were all transcribed verbatim at the time by my secretary Jutta Thomas née Padel (she turned out to be the daughter in law of Generalmajor Georg Thomas of the OKW's Wehrwirtschafts- und Rüstungstab, but she kept that from me for twenty years). The transcripts are in my collection, the Sammlung Irving, at the Institut für Zeitgeschichte.

In 1967 I had met my publisher William Kimber's US agent, Max Becker, and he persuaded me to take a literary agent, namely himself. Very soon he telephoned me from New York with the welcome news that the book had been bought for $35,000 by Little, Brown, Inc. in Boston, and then by Bild am Sonntag and the Ullstein publishing house in Germany.

The research was not without incident. Alerted by comments in Milch's Nuremberg diaries, in 1969 I went to the National Archives to compare the sound recordings of the Nuremberg trial testimony with what appeared in the famous blue volumes of the Trials. There were such shocking discrepancies and obvious manipulations that I decided never again to trust the IMT volumes as a source, and I recommended others not to. In November 2000 the National Archives revealed in a press release that Robert Kempner, Milch's persecutor at Nuremberg, had asked the FBI to have me watched in case I destroyed the IMT recordings.


THE German edition is slightly different from the British/American; the latter carries more of the postwar story of Milch's career, and of his 1947 trial at Nuremberg which ended with a life sentence; he served about ten years in Landsberg prison. But the German edition of course has the original language of the quotations from his documents (which included about seventy volumes of verbatim records of his German Air Ministry conferences 1942-1944. These volumes I also roughly catalogued and indexed for other researchers: my index is in the Institut für Zeitgeschichte).

When the book was ready to be published in London (by my friend George Weidenfeld), I invited Milch over to the city for his first visit since 1935, before the war (he had dined then on one occasion with Mr Churchill.). I put him up at a suitable suite at the Grosvenor House hotel in Mayfair. BBC Television News filmed him visiting the Imperial War Museum, where he saw once again the V1 flying bomb (a cheap and cost-effective 1944-45 Nazi cruise missile) which he had championed against Albert Speer's expensive and extravagant A4 (V2) rocket missile program.

Publication of the book in Germany was marked by a lavish luncheon paid for by Ullstein's at the Hotel Breidenbacher Hof in Düsseldorf. My German publisher Wolf Jobst Siedler was there -- as were Milch's friends Nicolaus von Below (Hitler's airforce adjutant) and his wife Maria von Below, and Albert Speer and his wife too.

Two minor incidents from the luncheon stick in my memory. My wife asked Mr Speer if she could film him together with myself and his old Dutzfreund Erhard Milch (we had a 16mm film camera). Speer, embarrassed, said he had no objection to being filmed with me, but he would rather that his old friend Milch was not included in the picture (at that time Speer, freshly released from Spandau, had still not given up his hopes of rehabilitation and a major Cabinet post in Germany).

It was on this occasion that Maria von Below, sitting next to me at the banquet table, related to me the vivid descriptions of Hitler's last tour of the Berghof, on the evening of July 15, 1944, accompanied by herself and Anni Brandt, the wife of his personal surgeon (whom the Americans would later hang at Landsberg); the Führer had formally taken leave of each of his favorite oil paintings at the villa -- he knew, she said, that he would never be returning. The scene is in my Hitler's War.

Surprisingly, it also figures however in Joachim Fest's Hitler biography, which appeared a few months ahead of mine, credited by Fest to an "interview with Maria von Below." She phoned me, puzzled, as she had never given Fest any interviews -- all of Hitler's staff were very close-knit, and they spoke with nobody but me at that time. I explained to her that Fest was the gentleman who had sat opposite us at the luncheon; he had eavesdropped on her conversation with me, and he had got it into print first.

MY book was published just after Erhard Milch died. He had read it however, and he liked the biography, though it was less flattering than he had hoped. At one stage I described him as being James Cagney to Albert Speer's Henry Fonda. Puzzled, he tapped the manuscript with his cigar and asked who these two men were, Fonda and Cagney. "Fonda," I explained, "was the suave, westernized, educated, academic. Cagney was the stocky little guy who burst into rooms spraying people with a round-drum Tommy gun." "Couldn't I be the Henry Fonda one?" he said, wistfully.

Alas for the subject of many a biographer, you are what you are.
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There's no such thing as a "good National Socialist" Jew. jews=devils, liars theifs, con artist, bull shitters extrodinaire.

We aren't buying it. You can't trust ANY of them.

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Milch wasn't jewish. He was one of the smartest and most competent Nazis . Read David Irving's book on him.
Milch = jew

He did everything in his power to destroy Willie Messerschmidtt. He hated Messerschmidtt . Why all the hatred , why the viciousness ?

That alone, kept German aircraft development back , by several years .
 
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You can't trust ANY of them.

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Milch can't be a jew. Everybody knows Hitler gassed every jew he could find!

Serously, why should Milch have denied being a jew if he was one and admitting it would get him a get-out-of-jail card? David Irving wrote his biography and he says Milch wasn't jewish.

Milch probably wasn't a Jew, but he was definitely incompetent (he made many decisions that was VERY counterproductive to the air force). I think Milch was a wartime bud of Goering's, and even if Milch was Jewish Goering would have saved his ass in any case, being that Goering once said, "I will decide who is a Jew."
 
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Has anyone in this thread bothered to read Irving's book on Milch?

Milch, Udet etc didn't do a bad job compared to their contemporaries in other countries. Germans are not that special.With hindsight its always easy to judge.Same goes for all Nazi what if questions.
 
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It is no secret that The Fuhrer used jews in what is known as 'Hitler's jewish Army' -the majority held low level functionary jobs in the military. Milch was the one jew that held a rather high post.

Milch was one of the most devious jews. He helped Germany lose the war. One can only speculate as to why there was even a "jewish Army" in the Reich; however, it does prove that 'the holocaust' as described, ie, that The Fuhrer and his command were determined to holocaust every jew in Germany. It's a thing that Holocaustians try to play down.

If ever an error in judgment was made by The Reich, it was this inclusion of jews; especially in the military. The number of which range between 1200 jews - and, the jews inflated number of up to 10,000 jewish soldiers.

I do not fully understand why any jews at all were allowed in the military. They aren't known for their military prowess, even today in israel.

I googled Milch and found numerous accounts of his being a jew. The jewish sources [ie, all of google it seems] seem oddly proud on the one hand, in a sort of 'AHAH, see!!" pride; whilst alternately condemning Milch for having served for helping to kill them.

I do not fully understand why The Reich bothered with these jews at all, perhaps each jew selected for service was either cannon fodder for the Russian Front, or, like Milch, was percieved to have some degree of intelligence helpful to the war. Were I around then, and had I a say in the matter, these jews would have been placed in a work camp - where they could be put to better use. I would have trusted no jew to serve in the Reich, especially as soldiers.

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"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel speaking of World War Two.

"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."

One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe Chief Hermann Goering.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/jewishnazi.html
 
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Milch was one of the most devious jews.
Thanks EG!
It is important for us further our abilities for wise judgements.
Wherever a cunning jew is on the loose earth becomes a hellish chaos.
Jews were all powerfull in Russia and were responsible for the gruesome war crimes against German civilians.


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If ever an error in judgment was made by The Reich, it was this inclusion of jews; especially in the military. The number of which range between 1200 jews - and, the jews inflated number of up to 10,000 jewish soldiers.
I agree.
I want to quote from your link:
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Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval... "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
Jews commanding 100 000 German soldiers?
This explains most of the atrocity committed against the Russians, which Psychological Shock blames on the "GERMANS".

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In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan.''
Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?]
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I do not fully understand why any jews at all were allowed in the military. They aren't known for their military prowess, even today in israel.
Why do Jews or communists excell in almost every line of work?
Because of their superior intelligence? Or because of connections or cunning?
Jews have been around and worked their goyims in Russia and Germany for hundreds of years.
How would Hitler be able to brake their power in less than 12 years?
To break all the "STEINS" (gold/silver/rubin/franken/felsen) takes time.
12 short years...even god needs more time than that.

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I googled Milch and found numerous accounts of his being a jew. The jewish sources [ie, all of google it seems] seem oddly proud on the one hand, in a sort of 'AHAH, see!!" pride; whilst alternately condemning Milch for having served for helping to kill them.
Hell off a guy jews say about their progeny because be it heaven or hell, all turns out to be a jewish invention.

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Who knows, the one with the initials EB was after all not the right woman for the Fuehrer...
May the next FUEHRER listen to EG on his way to victory!

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Has anyone in this thread bothered to read Irving's book on Milch?

Milch, Udet etc didn't do a bad job compared to their contemporaries in other countries. Germans are not that special.With hindsight its always easy to judge.Same goes for all Nazi what if questions.

Lots of refrences to Milch in Irving's book Goering, which I liked very much...Irving did an excellent job of illustrating Goering's sense of humor.
 
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