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Old November 13th, 2014 #142
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The "Obamacare" Jews lobbied for is not public health insurance. Calling the affordable care act socialized medicine would be like saying laws mandating you have auto insurance are socialized auto insurance. The purpose of Obamacare, in theory, is to actually reduce government spending on real health care programs like Medicare, as well as making private capitalist Jews rich.
They are socialists. What they want is single-payer, they just can't get it yet. What they can do is force responsible whites to subsidize the lousy, unhealthy behavior of the classes they represent - queers and blacks, for two examples.

You don't seem to grasp that it doesn't matter what you say. There is no market in health care, and that's why costs are high. The socialists have made it so no one can offer services except approved classes, costs are filtered thru third parties, and patients are forced to buy insurance they don't want. These are are all examples of the market subordinated to the political process. The communist approach you favor is precisely what we have now. We don't have 100% of what they want, but we have 50% and growing, at least. The entire modern tendency ought to be away from top down control because we have the means to make a competitive market that, as everywhere else, would serve the individual seekign help better than any other system. But instead we get the old failed socialism of the thirties. With the usual waiting lists - I mean, do you even read anything about what goes on in Britain's NHS, or our own IHS (Indian) or VA? Those are what they are trying to push the main system into. They are going exactly the wrong way. The market should be opened, not closed. Health care is an individual thing, not a group thing, or should be. All we see is coercion and the paperwork and higher costs and reduced options that always go along with it.

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The government forces you to buy private health insurance, with no public option. That isn't socialism, that is plutocracy, that is big capitalist Jew capturing your government and lining his private pocket book with your money.
I call it socialism, and that's what it is: the politicians you support, the regulation you want, forces people to buy stuff THEY DON'T WANT. Involtary. Coercion. That's not the market at work, that's politics. And when they give people protection against preexisting conditions, that's a political benefit to those who didn't plan ahead, and a subsidy to those who destroy their health with bad behavior. Forcing whites to pay for colored treatment is certainly socialism by any name, it's both racial and class socialism. Whites, competent whites, subsidize all other classes. They can't opt out except, as with socialized schooling, by paying extra money. It's the opposite of a market.

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This has been the inevitable outcome of every capitalist system that has ever existed. Either the government controls the businessman , or the businessman controls the government, there is no middle point except in the science fiction novels that are the laughable ideological basis of libertarianism.
Boilerplate blather. You retreat into communist abstractions that mean nothing. There is no market in medicine, it is highly limited, there are guilds and regulatory restrictions by the dozens at every turn. Because of government. If the government stayed out of regulating medicine, it would be both safer and cheaper. You refuse to admit that your way of thinking is responsible for the mess we have now. Whatever success we have is due to the private sector making its way in spite of insane laws. As I pointed out, regulatory capture is quite real, and that's where we are. The policies come from private insurance companies, but it's the government forcing people to buy them who don't want to buy them.

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Left-wing press? The liberal capitalist's notion that their perspectives are censored in the media is based, again, on nothing. Libertarianism is accepted as thoroughly kosher, which is precisely why its intertwined with the Republican party.
Yeah, I don't see that> Ron Paul wasn't even treated fairly by the mainstream right-wing, let alone any other media. Because he was doing well. Very similar to Golden Dawn - they feared his arguments because they threatened the financial basis of the system, ie the Federal Reserve's absolute control over money.

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Ron Paul got lots of shit from Jews because he didn't want to give money to Israel, but his Jew ass-licking son Rand whose got pretty much the same economic philosophy is perfectly acceptable in GOP and Jewish media circles. I can name quite a few maintream newspapers and talk shows that are dedicated to giving the libertarian perspective, often by kikes themselves.
Rand Paul isn't Ron Paul. To me, he's just another Republican.

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Single-payer insurance, in essence, is just medicare available to everyone. How many Americans are complaining about Medicare? Even Tea Party retards hold up signs in support of Medicare.
Sure, people have grown used to thinking government is responsible for paying all their bills. No problem, since the US system is completely financially stable and not at all going bankrupt from deficit spending for decades on end.

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You're showing off that regrettable tattoo you got when you were wasted on your 21st birthday, as if left and right actually mean anything in the media. That tattoo is conservativism.
I stick with ideas when they're right, and don't depart from them. Call them what you like.

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Health care in most of the civilized world is socialized and universal, and people are living longer than ever in Japan, Germany, and New Zealand, while spending less (both publicly and privately) on health care than in the privatized American system. Your doomsday scenario is typical neo-con mularkey that depends on people being too stupid to look up the facts themselves.
I already gave multiples examples above where that's not the case. People living longer has nothing whatsoever to do with the health care system except that babies don't die that often, except when niggers don't act responsibly.

All socialized medicine of the type you prefer involves people on waiting lists suffering miserably because all of it involves spending caps and USSR type political decisions over who gets treated for what, and at what price. Exactly the stuff that markets sort out better than any other arrangement. Health care is a good like any other. Canadians come to the US all the time for specialized treatment, so do people from all over the world. People may go to Germany for this or that, but it's always because our socialist regulators here haven't approved treatments. Who the hell are they to make decisions for individuals? That's the system you want, and the system I reject. Health care is an individual choice. Your ilk will continue to blame capitalism where it doesn't exist, just as you do with the banking bailouts, but the fact is we are more than 50% of the way to a government controlled system and the problems we have are because of the government. The government turned the doc from a plumber into a pope, and the patient suffers because of it.

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So I cite you statistics of millions of Americans going to countries with socialized medicine (including small and poor ones like Costa Rica) to get their drugs and surgeries, and you just omit it.
They don't regulate their markets like we do, so that's hardly socialism.

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I show you statistics where the French, British, and Germans with actual universal healthcare have shorter wait times to see a doctor in contrast to Americans in the comparatively private health system- you pretend you don't see it. And somehow, without a shred of irony, you accuse me of being the ideological one.
All these systems are socialized now, the US is somewhat less so. We should be going the complete opposite, but you side with ZOG medicine because you think people are ants, and need to be managed by a farmer. Take away their money, make all their decisions for them. You really are a communist. You want a tiny elite dictating to the rest.

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That jew is saying 2+2=5, that is why its Jewishness is relevant. The Jew is lying, but thanks to your residual conservativism, you fall for its lies. When it comes to this question, you seem to make the same excuse that all the Jews that formulated and promote your views on economic liberalism-for the first time in history...they're doing it for completely selfless reasons because they love "freedom" .
That's not even intelligible. What you further don't grasp is the people who will run this fully socialized system then have your private medical data at their disposal, and they will use it against you, just as the IRS does. Whatever puts power in the hands of the central government and takes it away from individual white men is bad for whites. As I said, we already have the example of fully socialized medicine in the USA - Indian Health Service (absolute bottom of the barrel) and VA, notoriously awful. But let's get the rest of the country into a similar system, too. If we let a market work, the entire thing would take care of itself. But then some people could afford more or better than others, and by god we can't have that. Even though we do right now. Congress has it's own private system better than what the indians and vets get. So it is in any socialized system: the insiders get all the good stuff, and the average people get whatever's left over. I don't want to pay for the queers and niggers supporting Hilary Clinton. I just want to pay for whatever advice or treatment I might. And I can do that now, but the price I pay is probably 25x higher than it would because you socialist refuse to let a genuine market operate, while calling the socialism we have already had in place for decades capitalism.

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That Jewess lies because she implies-in the subtle weaselly way Jewry and its capitalist and Leftist wings do- that Canadians are flooding the United States in search of private health care. In reality, the actual figures of Canadians who opt for treatment in the United States is insignificant, even if the wait time in some Canadian provinces is slightly longer: http://content.healthaffairs.org/con...3/19.full.html

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So then why do countless countries with completely socialized systems spend less tax dollars and less private dollars on health care than America? Wouldn't prices be to scale and hence superior America's mostly private health care system? 40 dollar Ace bandages at the hospital are not big government's fault, except insofar as big government allows it. Health care and drugs were a ripoff in America before Obamacare, and still are afterwards.

A handful of Canadians are seeing the doctor in America, but 1 million Americans are buying their drugs from the Canadian system that regulates prices. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...pharmacy-drugs
Someone's paying the cost, just not the people actually getting the medicine. That's socialism. So is the stuff described here, which is seen in every socialized system that ever existed because of economic laws you choose to ignore.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_...ealthcare.html
 
Old November 13th, 2014 #143
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Here's what an actual socialist said about Obamacare:



As this article further points out:


http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/it...-not-socialism

I remind you that the idea behind Obamacare was originally a GOP one (so-called Romneycare). Republicans saw it as a way of covering almost all Americans for health insurance, without a single payer system.
True - it's forcing people to buy insurance. Just as socialism is based on forcing people to pay taxes. There is a difference, and the forced-insurance is better, but it's still bad, and I say it's still socialism. Because they are forcing you to buy stuff you don't want, and it's higher priced so that the fags/nigs and other diseased classes are covered by white earners.

Open it up to the market. have a true market system where the government gets out of regulating doctors and drugs - then you will have the lowest possible prices.

Drugs aren't safe now. WITH regulation. There is no safety, but the market offers the best and cheapest protection there is. And you only have to pay for what you want, not for others.
 
Old November 13th, 2014 #144
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[if the government ran food: show up on tuesday betwen 9am and noon, you can choose three of the four items: olives, creamed eels, turnips and sourdough bread]

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Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada—they characterized all government-run health-care systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled—48 times. More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. A while back, I toured a public hospital in Washington, D.C., with Tim Evans, a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe. The hospital was dark and dingy, but Evans observed that it was cleaner than anything in his native England. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave—when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity—15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren’t available. And so on.
 
Old November 20th, 2014 #145
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Just after 30m mark, listen to woman's description of socialized medicine in Sweden. It's awful. That's in Sweden. I'm sure it will be even better in the US, administered by non-swedes. Niggers and such. With private medicine & insurance, you get what you pay for. With government medicine, you get what they decide to give you. Their incentive is not to give you anything because you cut into their limited budget. They have absolutely no incentive to treat you correctly, since all you do is cost them money. And you can't opt out of your taxes, either. "Free government healthcare" = two-year wait for surgery. So bad you have to get a new MRI.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-140820.php
 
Old December 19th, 2014 #146
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[example of government not respecting your privacy when it comes to your tax records. it will be different with your health care data, though. right?]

#Lerner sent DOJ a million page database of 501(c)(4) organizations' confidential tax records. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...rvative-Groups
 
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