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Old February 5th, 2009 #21
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Well, racial pride is as foolish as pride in ones ancestors or ones country.

How can one use the circumstances of his or her birth to assert superiority? It's like taking credit for winning a lottery.

It's alright to admire the achievements of your country or ancestors, but to use them as a positive reflection on yourself? Totally illogical.
If one admires, sees good,etc. in the achievements of their ancestors, people, and country, then it is perfectly logical that this person would concern themselves with their preservation, correct?
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Old February 5th, 2009 #22
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That's what the ADL, and countless other kike organizations are all about. The lie that they are gods chosen race, and a little better than everyone else. Disagreeing with this bogus opinion is automatically deemed anti semitism.

The only thing illogical is the way white people support you hook nosed, swine.

If white people are so inferior, then why have your ancestors spent years trying to race mix with us in an attempt to make their children pass off as white?

Yes, such people will tell you, just as this guy does, that it is silly and illogical to take pride in the deeds of your ancestors and then they will turn around and say you must feel guilt and atone for the what they chose to label the "bad" deeds of your ancestors. That kind of double think is illogical.

Try to rationalize that one for me, Larry.

Let's take the Germans as an example. If every individual German is basically nothing more than an accident of birth who would be completely foolish for taking any kind of collective pride in the achievements of those who came before them, then they also should not be forced into this neverending guilt about any supposed deeds of those who came before them. Deeds you people keep using to bleed them. Agreed?
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Old February 6th, 2009 #23
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If one admires, sees good,etc. in the achievements of their ancestors, people, and country, then it is perfectly logical that this person would concern themselves with their preservation, correct?
Yes I suppose, though I'm not sure what you take that to mean.

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Yes, such people will tell you, just as this guy does, that it is silly and illogical to take pride in the deeds of your ancestors and then they will turn around and say you must feel guilt and atone for the what they chose to label the "bad" deeds of your ancestors. That kind of double think is illogical.

Try to rationalize that one for me, Larry.

Let's take the Germans as an example. If every individual German is basically nothing more than an accident of birth who would be completely foolish for taking any kind of collective pride in the achievements of those who came before them, then they also should not be forced into this neverending guilt about any supposed deeds of those who came before them. *snip* Agreed?
Absolutely!

The German people living today should be considered in no way responsible. (The same more or less applies to most Germans living at the time for that matter.)

As I see it, the difficulties here arise when modern people are profiting from the crimes of their ancestors. I don't know how to resolve that, since modern people mostly enter such profitable situations by luck, and don't deliberately exploit past crimes.

The descendants of colonists are an example of this.

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Deeds you people keep using to bleed them.
Ha, don't you think this is a little inconsistent? You say people can't inherit guilt, but then imply that I'm guilty for the actions of others of "my" race.

(I'm actually British by blood, and certainly not a Jew by religion haha).
 
Old February 6th, 2009 #24
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The descendants of colonists are an example of this.
Kaffirs should thank us for colonialism, if not for it, they'd have gone to near extinction by now. Do you know what the life expectancy is for a "free" negro in Africa? 40, perhaps 50 at most in certain places. Do you know what the life expectancy of a nigger was during the "oppressed" colonial days? 65, a mere 10 years below that of a European.

We brought them cures to their disease, we brought them mass farming, we brought them well structured housing, the list is endless, Colonial Africa should thank us for the gifts we have given them, they should fall down on their starved little knee caps and thank us for ensuring their survival.

I hate colonialism only for that reason, it prevented nature from taking it's course.

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Old February 6th, 2009 #25
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Aah, what are you replying to?
 
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Aah, what are you replying to?
Your preposterous claim that colonial descendants benefited from crimes committed against Africans. I don't think I need to delve into the rather obvious fact that a very limited amount of people were actually "rich", the only thing worth addressing is the claim of crimes and profiteering as a result of alleged crimes.

But then again you knew this, you just have no response to the facts regarding the matter. When you feel the need to make bold claims regarding matters, it's advisable that you consult material that extends beyond your rudimentary knowledge you gained from high-school, just some advice for you to consider.
 
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Your preposterous claim that colonial descendants benefited from crimes committed against Africans.
I made no such claim.

By "colonists" I meant any colonising group. I certainly wasn't talking about Africa in particular.
 
Old February 9th, 2009 #28
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I made no such claim.

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As I see it, the difficulties here arise when modern people are profiting from the crimes of their ancestors. I don't know how to resolve that, since modern people mostly enter such profitable situations by luck, and don't deliberately exploit past crimes.

The descendants of colonists are an example of this.
Not only foolish but a liar too, you made such a claim. Several African nations were colonies, whether you physically said Africa or not is of no real relevance. Several of it's nations were colonies before. If you had not specifically meant Africa you'd have specifically stated "excluding Africa"...your accusation included the region. I am privy to select which colonies I wish as you left it open to my choosing.
 
Old February 9th, 2009 #29
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You're "privy to" mistake my meaning, yes.

Given that I agreed that racial guilt is unreasonable, I'm not sure what you're problem is.
 
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As I see it, the difficulties here arise when modern people are profiting from the crimes of their ancestors.
An act is a crime if there exists a law making it so at the time and place it is carried out.
 
Old February 15th, 2009 #31
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Oh, not again.

Obviously I meant "crime" in a broader sense.

And I wasn't referring to a specific case.
 
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Oh, not again.

Obviously I meant "crime" in a broader sense.

And I wasn't referring to a specific case.
"Broader sense" .i.e. you're using "crime" in a polemical manner to cast moral judgements and make them appear objective. Why don't you stop pretending and just say "sins of the fathers"?
 
Old February 16th, 2009 #33
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No you noob haha. I hope you're doing this deliberately.

If I kill someone and steal his fortune, then pass it on to my children who (unknowingly) spend it to live well, are they guilty? I'd say not, but it's a tricky situation.

That's all I said. You may now die.
 
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No you noob haha.
Whatever.

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I'm deliberately showing you to be the fool you are.

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If I kill someone and steal his fortune, then pass it on to my children who (unknowingly) spend it to live well, are they guilty?
Guilty of what?

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I'd say not, but it's a tricky situation.
Not at all. There is a definite truth value to the proposition they are guilty of a crime depending on how one has defined guilt and crime. It's only "tricky" for fools such as you because, like all moralists, you use the words without ascribing to them any definite meaning i.e. giving the conditions under which the proposition would be true or false, and at the same time expecting it to have some truth in an absolute, universal sense irrespective of the arbitrary definition upon which these truth values depends.

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That's all I said. You may now die.
Look, the humanitarian is about to throw a temper tantrum.
 
Old February 20th, 2009 #35
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It's only "tricky" for fools such as you because, like all moralists, you use the words without ascribing to them any definite meaning i.e. giving the conditions under which the proposition would be true or false, and at the same time expecting it to have some truth in an absolute, universal sense irrespective of the arbitrary definition upon which these truth values depends.
Can't you leave your useless generalisations behind for a change?

All I'm saying (if you could take 10 seconds to use a productive approach) is that I can see why people gravitate to the idea of heritable guilt, even if it's a very flawed idea.

There's only so much good to be done by constantly giving your "opponents" an extreme categorisation (e.g., saying "fools such as you" to them). No gain comes from that, except for some perceived "victory" for one side (or in fact both).

Also, it's frankly laughable that you say I'm having a tantrum when I make a flippant remark. You've been abusing me non-stop, a tactic whose use is so limited that I can only assume it comes from anger or the desire to satisfy aggressive impulses.
 
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I have read that niggers have claimed that they were the ancient Greeks and Romans
 
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Subhuman niggers claim everything nowadays.

We offered them a finger and they grabbed the whole arm.

To them everything is "black" if it only has a very small percentage of nigger genes. They would call Pushkin "black", haha.
 
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