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The legendary MR thread is there.
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Yeah. I spent a long time yesterday trying to find the MR thread. This year's archives are available. WAYBACK machine has MR up to July 21, 2011. Only late summer and fall of last year is missing.
Maybe someone else can try. TOO is turning into pure trash. A christian name Tyron Parsons is allowed to dominate the site- to ruin the site. It almost looks deliberate. . .like they want the good posters to leave. Poster JOE is polluting OD. A special thread was started about banning JOE- 282 comments. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...-joe/#comments Good posters were asking for Joe's removal, saying it should have been done long ago. |
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Excellent, guys. I THINK that is the one I'm referring to. It must be because I don't remember another thread going on that long.
I retract my accusation against MR's proprietor. I had in fact done a search at one point and was not able to locate it, so I assumed he had cut it. I believe in fact he did cut some posts out of the thread, but it looks like the bulk is still there. I had left town for a week, and never got back to it, was the last I had recalled. Anyway...anyone looking to get up to speed on the people and debates of WN, that thread is an excellent primer. Good job finding it, guys and thanks for your efforts! |
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I said months ago that some of Johnson's writing had lost its shape and focus and read like it was the work of a committee rather than one man.
Are all these white faggot sites like CC and Alternate Right getting one-on-one counselling from the Chosen or does it just seem that way? Every cloud has a silver lining, though. The MacDonald-Johnson axis blew it big time with that essay and the Jew-Fag-Alliance is fully exposed now. They should be showing Kosher certification badges on their home pages as signs of 'approval' |
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What do you mean by this: Nationalist groups intended to attract the educated and professional class are almost all fake. Specifically, by “fake”? Note, this nearly becomes a kind of metaphysical question. But I look forward to an answer, with examples. eg, Is American Renaissance fake? How about The Occidental Quarterly? Who isn’t fake? Stormfront? VNN (I guess you answered this)? National Alliance? I know exactly what Chaos means, btw. We find it implausible that vast numbers of Americans, including a relative of mine who is a structural engineer, would be willing to sign off on a hypothesis re 9-11 that is blatantly impossible. But even if your hypothesis is true, it may be impossible to get a majority of people to believe it. Therefore, I and, I think, Chaos would say, it’s a waste of time to push this. People cannot handle that much cognitive dissonance. We are already challenging them on race equality - the now-central organizing principle of the post-American/white regime. We have abundant facts at our disposal, as well as people’s lived reality. We should build on that, take on what really matters. Even if you could be proven right re 9-11, I guarantee there would be no widespread anti-semitic reaction. Most people would say (no doubt correctly), “Only a few Jews were responsible. Let’s not stigmatize a whole group. Remember the Nazis, etc”. And that would be it. On the other hand, immigration is a real and immediate problem, not just racially, but economically, esp for jobless Americans - or at least, it could be so presented. We could make real progress on that front, even if the movement to end immigration has to be couched in racially neutral budgetary or economic language. And longterm, ending or reducing immigration increases white EGI far more than getting people riled up at Israel, or Jews in general. Between liberals and Christian/evangelical Zionists, not to mention Jews themselves (and possibly nonwhites generally, fearing a WN reaction), nothing serious would happen to them. At most, an aid cutoff to Israel, maybe some antitrust legislation directed at Jewish media control (which would be wonderful, don’t misunderstand me). But that would not fundamentally change the existential plight of the white man. >>>Discussing the really serious crimes of jews will not gain traction, according to Haller.. Better to focus on immigration and so on. The stuff we are not to discuss is EXACTLY the stuff (crimes) that jews don't want discussed. Revealing utterly damning information will not be damning! Maybe 85% will be in denial. What about the 15% who can accept the horror? After they have digested the truth they can spread the word to the rest. |
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Exactly! Inject them with TRUTH and let the truth destroy the lies as antibiotics destroy infectious diseases.
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How can anyone who knows the truth about jews then turn around and be friends with a lying ass-clown like Jared Barnum Taylor who says jews are white? How can they support a conference that privileges jews over whites, and puts them up on the podium to give keynote addresses? What greatery mockery of our cause could there be? Last edited by Alex Linder; August 14th, 2012 at 04:33 PM. |
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[going to copy in full last few days of debate at The White Network.]
Organon August 12, 2012 at 6:48 pm Greg claims he wants people of European descent to be resilient to manipulation against their racial interests, to “step over” the past, but he is asking that the reality of Jewish power form the basis for some sort of recognition of a Holocaust and a recognition of a Jewish right to ethnic self-determination in Israel (he has gone so far as to claim that we have an stake in Israel’s continued existence). First, there was no Holocaust, and while Jewish deaths might add up to one in Jewish minds, they should not, for us. Granting that myth any basis in reality simply because Jews will whine gives us nothing in the way of any strength or resilience to manipulation. It simply demonstrates our vulnerability in the face of Jewish strength. Second, from the presumed fact of “universal nationalism” or that all peoples are entitled to ethnic self-determination, it does not follow that Jews are entitled to land in Palestine. For Greg to decry German eastern foreign policy as “imperialism most foul” while granting the Jews a free pass on the murder and expulsion of Palestine’s inhabitants only reveals another layer of contradictions in Greg’s philosophy. katana August 13, 2012 at 8:26 am Greg Johnson’s ‘coming out’ essay on the ‘Holocaust’ has much to commend itself in being his self ‘outing’. Another benefit is to bring the whole topic to the forefront, where it belongs. He urges us to throw away the hard won accomplishments of revisionists, the conclusive evidence that the ‘Holocaust’ is a gigantic lie. All for what? For nothing. Abandon decades of work and proof so that he can get more donations through charitable tax status. His, let the jews have their ‘Holocaust’ so that they can hit us over the head non-stop with hoax movies, books, museums, articles and news, is nonsense. Does he really believe that by ‘stepping over’ it that jews will stop smashing White heads with the ‘Holocaust’ hammer? Does he believe in fairies? We need to be doing the opposite, pushing to the forefront the gigantic jewish lies into White faces. The ‘Holocaust’ is unique in terms of jewish lies, greatly overshadowing their recent big lie, 911. It’s uniqueness, once widely exposed to the general public will help lead to the take down of the stranglehold that jewish power has over us. That is why they suppress it so much. As for Johnson, I am still considering where he lies along the spectrum of being just ignorant to being a sell out. Probably half way. Organon August 13, 2012 at 10:22 am Well, it would do for this anti-revisionist to consider the justifications of German policy in removing Jewry from continental Europe. Johnson wallows in Jewish suffering without even considering the very justifiable bases for removing Jews from Germany and Europe. Zuendel made brief remarks regarding domestic German policy after 1933 in his interview conducted by that Israeli journalist, but I think they were poorly formed and without needed comment as regards Jewish actions in Germany and abroad (other than being “irritants”), both long before Adolf Hitler’s appointment in January 1933 and concurrent with the early phases of the NSDAP’s government in that year. As Johnson concedes, Jews had been making efforts to tear down our societies long before Hitler took office. This is a poorly explored area from my perspective and it may be something worthy of an extensive essay, in part to counter the kind of nonsense propagated by people like Johnson. Revisionists are not compelled to revise information about the Holocaust because legislation against Jews that culminates in their discomfort is loathsome. What in fact the Jews experienced, which was no Holocaust and no different than what other groups suffered, was a far cry from what they deserved. Henry August 14, 2012 at 9:41 am Carolyn said: ”I made it clear in an earlier comment here (which Alex posted in the VNN thread) that Michael Santomauro said that Thomas Dalton told him in a phone call that KMac himself refused to publish his “Reply to Johnson.” This was good enough for me (though not for Henry)” My apologies Carolyn. I wasn’t really doubting anyone’s word merely wondering if Parrott had involved himself in this with Macdonald perhaps supporting his decision. Of course, it’s highly unlikely that Parrott (or any other mod) has the power to accept or reject essays at TOO and so my question was stillborn before it was even published. MacDonald’s position on revisionism became clear for all to see when another poster copied Macdonald’s rejection of another essay in answer to Johnson’s folly. I might have had some sympathy for Kevin MacDonald’s decision not to involve TOO in open debate about the Holocaust as who knows what threats he’s had to endure for the valuable work he’s done these past years: but he did allow his site to be used as a platform by Johnson to attack revisionism and later also revealed himself as hostile when he refused to give equal billing to a considered repost from Dalton and others. This smacks of an agenda and I’d like to know how they arrived at their position and if Jared Taylor’s Jewish pal, Robert Weissberg, is lurking somewhere in the background urging them on? At the last AmRen MacDonald was present to hear Weissberg give a speech attacking white-nationalism wherein he gave his view that such extremism has no chance of receiving vital funding….”Prof. Weissberg also noted that there is no economic advantage to promoting white racial consciousness, and that most people do not act without financial incentives” I’m sure Weissberg would recommend to MacDonald et al that the Holocaust question be placed in the same ‘vile’ category as white nationalism and thus rejected. Here’s a summary of Weissbergs address: ”The first speaker Saturday morning was the always stimulating Robert Weissberg, Emeritus professor of University of Illinois at Champaign, who proposed “A Politically Viable Alternative to White Nationalism.” He argued that any movement that is explicitly based on white racial identity is “dead on arrival,” and must be repackaged in order to win successful recognition. The reality—that racial nationalism “is intuitive and written in our genes” and that even children are conscious of race—is a huge advantage for those who want to build a racial movement, but any white movement today that takes an explicitly racial stand will fail: “We are considered just above child molesters.” Prof. Weissberg also noted that there is no economic advantage to promoting white racial consciousness, and that most people do not act without financial incentives” Source: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...tive-advocacy/ Carolyn August 14, 2012 at 12:53 pm Quote:
Jared Taylor’s featuring Jews as speakers, and others who attend tolerating it, is another matter. Weissberg’s speech was abominable, but he interspersed those offending words in amongst many others so that too many listeners found no fault in them. It’s kind of like what Greg Johnson does. Matt Parrott August 14, 2012 at 10:29 pm Henry, Quote:
I used to be concerned about finding ways to convince people who are obsessed about the “Holocaust” to recognize that it’s rapidly waning in influence and fading into historical irrelevance. Then it dawned on me: I don’t have to change anybody’s mind. I just have to wait a couple more decades and everybody who thinks the “Holocaust” is some big important issue to waste a bunch of time and money on will no longer be side-tracking every attempt to focus on core advocacy issues. Oh, and a big congrats on your successful campaign against Voice of Reason. I’m certainly relieved that it will no longer be transmitting any discourse which fails to meet the demanding standards of this monomaniacal echo chamber. Carolyn August 14, 2012 at 11:35 pm Quote:
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But you do have a point there. I may have faltered in my support. There’s more I could have done. But whatever I’ve done wrong, it’s short of active and malicious sabotage of too many dedicated advocates to list. Carolyn August 15, 2012 at 1:09 am Matt – Truly you don’t know what you’re talking about. A Ph.D. is tied to the institution that grants it. There is no such thing as a generic Ph.D. Every Ph.D. holder knows this and declares the university and department his came from. Except for our little Greggy Johnson who wants to keep his a secret. Little Greggy would have liked to have kept his name a secret too, but being editor of TOQ was too much to pass by, so he consented to using his real name … maybe. Matt, you ought to be more discriminating. And let me inform readers that I don’t know you, I’ve never met you or spoken to you, I’ve only listened to you on VoR programs. Quote:
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August 15, 2012 at 3:44 am “Weissberg’s speech was abominable” That is an understatement. That was the final nail in the coffin for me and this A3P/Amren crowd. Before that, I made excuses for them that they were some kind of gateway nationalism. No more! They are either fools are straight out traitors to sit through that speech! Armor August 15, 2012 at 4:08 am Thomas Dalton is wrong about the genocide of White nations. Technically, what is being done to us is really genocide. And Greg Johnson is right to point out that the Jews know what they are doing to us better than anyone else does. Not because they have been genocided themselves, but because they always have that issue on their mind, and their policies revolve around it. For example, they have created Israel to ensure their survival as a race, so they won’t disappear by miscegenation with White people. Ulfric August 15, 2012 at 4:18 am My problem with VoR these days is that they are nothing but a vehicle for the Amren/A3P crowd to preach moderation to nationalists. Furthermore, they seem to care more about Ron Paul then they do our cause. Kelso for example spends a good 75% of his time yapping about the wonders of Ron Paul and Paul Craig Roberts (and other Patriotards) and kissing the ass of the movement hacks such as Jared Taylor and of course promoting the A3P to send money as if these men are providing anything in the way of leadership whatsoever. Im tired of it. Henry August 15, 2012 at 8:33 am Matt said: Quote:
If he does consider revisionism to be ”paranoid pseudo-historical buffoonery” then that’s very interesting as this view reflects the mainstream opinion of MacDonald’s own work on the Jewish question. I believe he’s struggled to have his work accepted for peer review, which must be very frustrating. In fact his work has been univerally condemmed by his peers. So perhaps this is one of those cases where the abused (MacDonald) in turn, became the abuser of others. Matt, I’d like your opinion on an email sent by Robert Weissberg in 2007. Prof. Weissberg hasn’t denied sending this email so there’s no paranoia involved in raising this issue, and one would hope that after seeing its content, you might also feel some anxiety as to Weissberg’s intentions re. AmRn, and white nationalism in general: especially given all that you’ve gained from Prof. MacDonald’s own warnings as to the dangers posed by Jewish group strategy. Here it is: An ‘email’ from Robert Weissberg to the Jewish Defense Organization (JDO) on the matter of AmRen and “strategy” Quote:
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2. Although the claim of ensuring the survival of the Jewish people has been made, the establishment of the State of Israel in Palestine is primarily about symbolism. Without the symbolism, Madagascar would be obviously a much better location for a secure Jewish state. The Book of Isaiah says that the Jews will rule their enemies that had tried to destroy them (in their minds, the whole world) from Jerusalem. Matt Parrott August 15, 2012 at 10:47 am Henry, Quote:
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The line must be drawn somewhere, after all. Witness this network’s show on “delusional thinking”. It’s a show in which stuff which is incorrect is dismissed by somebody who’s herself been dismissed by others as incorrect. To clarify, we’re all “Holocaust Deniers” relative to the mainstream opinion. My position, which is similar to Greg’s, doesn’t win me any relief from the charge that I’m a “Holocaust Denier”. I don’t hold my opinion as an “angle” or due to concern about appearing too “radical” or “delusional”. I hold it because I’ve researched the matter to a limited extent and found that to be the case. I’ll never research it to the satisfaction of those who perceive it to be some sort of Excalibur sword in a quest to assuage White Guilt. As I suggested earlier, there’s a generational factor at play which will work itself out over time. The Holocaust Card has been thoroughly maxed out, especially with younger audiences who question its relevance to contemporary issues. Younger mainstream and nationalist audiences alike see it as a smaller and smaller episode in the historical background. Those who wish to research it are welcome to do so, and I support (with more than just my words) the right of revisionists to study and speak freely about these matters. But I don’t think it belongs at the forefront of white advocacy efforts and I don’t think it’s wise to invest time and energy in it with the hope of reaping benefits for our people. Quote:
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I disagree with Jared about Jews being “White”. I do not believe what they bring to the table (which is admittedly in actuality and in theory impressive) is worth either the potential for misdirection or the exception to a coherent [White = European] definition of Whiteness. Weissberg’s letter wasn’t a confession that Jared is actually a double agent serving the Jews, but rather that Jared and what he is doing is good for the Jews. I would hope that Amreni Jews see Jared Taylor’s brand of White Advocacy as “good for the Jews”. Weissberg, Jared, myself, you, and everybody else here agree that AmRen is good for the Jews. The JDL and the mainstream Jewish community disagree. I fail to see the scandal or revelation here. My own position on Amreni Jews is to to be (genuinely) friendly with those who wish to be friendly with us, and consider Jews allies to the extent that they’re allied with us…at arm’s length. From representatives of one sovereign nation to another. In accordance with consistent ethnic nationalist principles. No close “inner circle” networking. No plotting. No intermarriage or anything like that. A Jew can never be a comrade because he integrally lacks a shared identity with us. Ulfric, Quote:
I reject the framing of the Holocaust Debate as one between mainstreamers and radicals. The Holocaust Thing is a distraction, not an overindulgence. It’s a scholarly historical issue disguising itself as a cardinal contemporary political consideration. I would note this very article I’m commenting on as evidence in my case, with the Holocaust Denier blowing off Greg Johnson’s concerns about our impending genocide as absurd. Step back for a moment and see that not only is Dr. Johnson passionately and consistently opposed to the Jews, but that he is also a more reliable and passionate advocate for our people than Prof. Dalton. You’re allowing this one side issue–whether or not the Holocaust is of pivotal importance–distract you from what we should all agree is the goal: reversing White dispossession. In that matter, Johnson is clearly more radical than Dalton. Carolyn August 15, 2012 at 10:47 am Quote:
I repeat what I said on my last radio show, sent to me by correspondent: The whole point of a doctorate is that it is a qualification in a particular discipline, or pseudo-discipline, from a particular institution. Apart from Doctor Feelgood, if a person does not say what their supposed doctorate is in and where it was granted/earned, then they cannot be referred to as “Doctor”. You, Matt Parrott, pick and choose what you judge important by the criterion of your own advancement in the WN world you desire to be part of. You behave like a groupie, and that is why few people, apart from those you serve, respect you. Other words would be toady or water-carrier. Quote:
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Among those you interviewed during your spotty performance as a radio host were: Dr. David Yeagley, Dr. Kevin MacDonald, John Derbyshire, Jared Taylor, “Dr.” Greg Johnson, Andy Nowicki (one of Greg Johnson’s Counter-Currents authors). You made two appearances as “co-host” on “This Week in Disorganized America” on Nov. 19 and Dec. 3, 2010. The impression I had was that you would be an ongoing part of that program. This was right before Mishko quit in disgust. Believe me, I know all about that. After this, you showed up again (Poor Mike Conner keeps making the same mistakes again and again) as permanent co-host of the new Friday Show, beginning on Dec. 30, 2011 – one year after your last appearance on VoR. The announcement read: “The main co-hosts will be Mike Conner and Matt Parrott. There may well be other co-hosts, as well as special guests.” I volunteered at the time, and one later time, to be a “guest co-host” on the Friday Show, and was told “Oh, good” but was never asked. Although Robert Stark and Paul Fromm were. Explain that from a point of view of wanting to be successful, will you? It reveals a desire to promote certain VoR personalities over others. You managed to appear on 20 shows this time before you abandoned ship. Among the guests were the same line-up as you interviewed in the past. You were pretty good in the first few shows, but then you became more and more indifferent. Quote:
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Judge Ron Thomas therefore would not let Leuchter testify about gas-concentrations, but since he had been constructing gas-chambers for a living he was qualified as an expert on the necessary structural characteristics of gas-chambers, wherein the Auschwitz Kremas are conspicuously deficient. If somebody says that Leuchter is no expert you can respond that he was qualified as an expert by a Canadian court. Hadding August 15, 2012 at 11:05 am I am disappointed that Matt Parrott is back to calling revisionism “buffoonery.” I thought he had learned better. It amazes me that any reasonably informed person could say that the Holohoax is irrelevant when the famous Whitaker Mantra is explicitly about trying to navigate around that propaganda and its effects. Quote:
Hadding August 15, 2012 at 11:56 am I see the interest in Greg Johnson’s past or personal life as an unproductive distraction. The problem with Johnson is with what we can see for ourselves, what he says openly. Carolyn August 15, 2012 at 11:58 am Quote:
You are hereby required to come up with what this “somebody” has been incorrect on or about, and by whom, or goodbye Matt Parrott. Carolyn August 15, 2012 at 12:02 pm Maybe that is the only problem you are interested in, Hadding. But I see other problems. If it wasn’t a problem, it wouldn’t be hidden. This is a book publisher and writer who wants to be taken seriously. Matt Parrott August 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm Hadding, Quote:
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Joggers: Those who comply with the dictates of JOGGER (Jewish Occupation Government's Guilt Enforcement Racket) Joggernaughts: Those who resist the dictates of JOGGER. |
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I noticed Greg "Brown" Johnson or "BJ," or "Beej," posted a Golden Dawn video, then removed it. I wonder why? Perhaps the contrast between what he advises people do and what Golden Dawn is doing is too great for him to bear. It might lead to comments like this:
"So, Greg, according to your theory, Golden Dawn should withdraw from politics...stop feeding poor people...stop helping old women go to the ATM...and start writing 5,000-word essays on Batman movies. Have I got that right?" |
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http://www.counter-currents.com/tag/videos/ Par for the course for Alex Linder, who may turn the occasional clever and funny phrase, but in the end is nothing more than a dirty, lying journalist who is indifferent to truth and reason, somebody who has been imagining arguments with Jews for so long that he has become spiritually one of them. I think Golden Dawn is an interesting phenomenon, worth watching. I encourage all sincere White Nationalists to utilize their talents and interests to find constructive ways to fight for our people's future. I think that Counter-Currents best fits my talents and interests and political vision. But I never claimed that it was the ONE RIGHT WAY. Furthermore, let's not pretend that Alex does anything more than write on the internet, much of it slanderous bullshit that nobody with intellectual integrity and a concern with the truth would permit himself. You've been weighed and found wanting, Alex, not that that'll stop you. |
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