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Old January 15th, 2013 #1
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Catholics Lead Effort to Overturn Bans on Interracial Marriage

by Robert A. Destro

Most Californians know that the Catholic bishops of California strongly supported Proposition 8 that restored the definition of marriage between a man and a woman in November 2008. Most do not know that Catholics also strongly opposed race-based marriage laws and argued strongly for their abolition. The motives and logic of Catholics and their bishops have not changed. Society arises from marriage. Marriage is a reality that unites a man and a woman with each other and any children born from their union. It is obvious on its face, that race is totally irrelevant to the reality of marriage. What's so damn obvious about it?

In 1967, two Catholic social services agencies and eleven bishops in the states that still had laws prohibiting interracial marriage used a “friend-of-the-court” brief in Loving v. Virginia to urge the United States Supreme Court to strike down the laws in Georgia, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia. It is difficult to believe now, but it took courage to stand against the political culture of those states in 1967 because racism and a concept of racial purity was so strongly imbedded in the local populations.

What people are surprised to learn, however, is the extent of Catholic involvement in the California Supreme Court decision that led the Nation away from institutionalized racism when it held in Perez v. Sharp (1948) that the state's constitution prohibits race-based marriage laws. Professor Fay Botham tells the story of Perez in “How a Catholic Theology of Marriage Crushed California’s Anti-Miscegenation Law.”

Sylvester Davis, an African-American, and Andrea Perez, a Hispanic woman of Mexican descent, were members of St. Patrick’s Catholic Church in Los Angeles. They became engaged and asked Father Joseph Della Torre about getting married in the church. He told them that the county would not issue them a license because the bride-to-be was a white woman and her fiancé was a black man.

The couple and their priest turned to Daniel Marshall, president of the Catholic Interracial Council of Los Angeles, a group that met at St. Patrick’s. Marshall became their lawyer. Their case gave the California Supreme Court the opportunity to score a victory for racial justice by reaffirming the meaning of marriage.

Davis knew that a frontal attack on racism was impossible. Racism and eugenic theory were deeply embedded in American law. In a spring, 1947 letter to Auxiliary Bishop Joseph McGucken, Marshall explained that his case against the law would rest on religious liberty, not racial equality.

Ms. Perez and Mr. Davis were Catholics. Pope Pius XI’s 1937 encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, had expressly condemned eugenic theories of racial purity as a “myth of race and blood.” (MBS 17) The encyclical pleaded with Germans to remember that the “real common good ultimately takes its measure from man's nature,” and argued that any law or policy that ignores human nature will “shake the pillars on which society rests, and … compromise social tranquility, security and existence.” [MBS, 30] The 1910 Catholic Encyclopedia made the same point. Governments cannot define and regulate marriage in a manner inconsistent with human nature because “human society … originated by marriage, not marriage by human society.” A religious liberty approach would allow Davis to use Catholic teaching to argue that racism is inherently irrational.

All four justices in the Perez majority accepted Davis’ argument that marriage is “something more than a civil contract subject to regulation by the State; it is a fundamental right of free men.” Quoting Skinner v Oklahoma, which said "Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race," which race? they made clear that the fundamental right was related to the fundamental right to procreate. They accepted his argument that racism is based on a “myth of race and blood.” But the all-important, fourth (and deciding) vote in Perez, cast by Justice Edmonds, rested on “a broader ground”: the “fundamental principles of Christianity.”

Catholics are rightly proud of their collective efforts in the long fight for social justice. Over a half century ago, the Church argued that race-based marriage laws are fundamentally inconsistent with our instinctive, human understanding that “marriage was intended by the Creator for the propagation of the human race and for the mutual help of husband and wife.”

Marriage, the reality unites a man and a woman with each other and any children born from their union, expresses the right of adults and the right of every child to know and be cared for by his or her mother and father in an environment conducive to the child development and flourishing. It is an immutable institution to can only be recognized by individuals, cultures, states and religions as it has since the begining of time.

Robert A. Destro is a Professor of Law in the School of Law at The Catholic University of America, and is the director and founder of the Interdisciplinary Program in Law & Religion. He is an advisor to Catholics for the Common Good.

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Old January 15th, 2013 #2
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My entire Mother's side of the family is Catholic, and I was raised up in the Church. Catholicism was about diversity before diversity was even hip and cool.

The Spanish explorers who went to South America were screwing Indian girls left and right, and Catholicism back in those days not only permitted it, but encouraged it.
 
Old January 15th, 2013 #3
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And now watch as this proof of Catholic political correctness is completely ignored by the media until they buckle and accept gay "marriage" too.

It's a comedy show, really.
 
Old January 15th, 2013 #4
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Hitler's Table Talk, p. 695
Quote:
"... What a fine race the Dutch are ! The girls are splendid and
very much to my taste. The blemishes in the Dutch are due to
interbreeding with the Malays, and that, in its turn, is the result
of sexual urge and the lack of a sufficiency of white women in
their colonies. We had much the same thing in our own
colonies; a German had the right to marry a negress, provided
she was a Catholic, but not a German girl, if she happened to be
a Protestant. Even to-day, the Catholic priest chatters for
months if one of his flock wishes to marry a Protestant. It is not
very long ago that, in the country, a marriage between Catholic
and Protestant was stigmatised as an insult to the Holy Altar;
but nobody bothered their heads about the colour of bastards !
In
the British Empire, things are very different; but the Church of
England is a political, rather than an ecclesiastical, organisation."
 
Old January 15th, 2013 #5
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Today's christianity is nothing more than politics, just look at christian who glorify Jews and their Israel. After many people were affected by Christianity, they praise Jews propaganda about race mixing. Most of interracial marriage are christians.
Become WN agnostic is the best for me, because I believe there's something more important than religion, is our heritage.
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Old January 16th, 2013 #6
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Chrsit-insanity,from its inception,always seeks to proselytize,and who better than the sitting ducks called niggers?It was christ-insanity that made us equal to the nigger,as "we" then had to share the same "God".This must have had an effect on the collective white psyche.It was the churches where the niggers could feel equal to the white man.

It was the churches that taught white man about "Infinite love and compassion".If it weren't for christ-insanity no niggers would have ever infiltrated our civilizations..

Turn the cross upside down,burn the churches to the ground.
 
Old January 16th, 2013 #7
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Chrsit-insanity,from its inception,always seeks to proselytize,and who better than the sitting ducks called niggers?It was christ-insanity that made us equal to the nigger,as "we" then had to share the same "God".This must have had an effect on the collective white psyche.It was the churches where the niggers could feel equal to the white man.

It was the churches that taught white man about "Infinite love and compassion".If it weren't for christ-insanity no niggers would have ever infiltrated our civilizations..

Turn the cross upside down,burn the churches to the ground.
Also to accept the Trinitarian tale or face the 'alarming' consequence of burning in Hell for eternity.
Jews were overturning the Caesar-god idea ,and sapping the foundations of that empire. Demolish the synagogues to their foundations while we're at it.
 
Old January 16th, 2013 #8
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Why I Raise My Children Without God

"When my son was around 3 years old, he used to ask me a lot of questions about heaven. Where is it? How do people walk without a body? How will I find you? You know the questions that kids ask.

For over a year, I lied to him and made up stories that I didn’t believe about heaven. Like most parents, I love my child so much that I didn’t want him to be scared. I wanted him to feel safe and loved and full of hope. But the trade-off was that I would have to make stuff up, and I would have to brainwash him into believing stories that didn’t make sense, stories that I didn’t believe either.

One day he would know this, and he would not trust my judgment. He would know that I built an elaborate tale—not unlike the one we tell children about Santa—to explain the inconsistent and illogical legend of God.

And so I thought it was only right to be honest with my children. I am a non-believer, and for years I’ve been on the fringe in my community. As a blogger, though, I’ve found that there are many other parents out there like me. We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nation’s religious fever.

Here are a few of the reasons why I am raising my children without God."
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White people have only survived Christianity because for the first 1000 or so years nearly nobody was allowed to read it and then in the last 500 years nobody has payed attention anyway.

There is nothing, I'll say it again, nothing in Christianity that inherently lends itself to the pro-White cause.
 
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I think more than "Christ-insanity",the problem is monotheism.
Like "Christ-insanity",monotheism has dealt a blow to the collective white psyche.
 
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I think more than "Christ-insanity",the problem is monotheism.
Like "Christ-insanity",monotheism has dealt a blow to the collective white psyche.
I think the problem is with a monotheistic god that's supposed to be omnipotent and benevolent at the same time. The world doesn't seem benevolent, the doctrine is alienating.

Still the idea of a unitary reality in society, rather than a multitude of cults with their own spin, seems like a perquisite for a scientific mode of thinking. I don't think subsuming personal biases to a single worldview was a bad thing in itself.

I can see why you would want to make sure your god has different aspects or angels though. You need a connection between the god and your personal life. I suppose Christ was supposed to fill that role, but I don't know how well he actually did it.
 
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It's funny. Some members of Stormfags say WN muslims are oxymorons, then so are WN christians.
 
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It's funny. Some members of Stormfags say WN muslims are oxymorons, then so are WN christians.
The only argument they can advance against this is that Christianity has been in Europe for some time - but what if Islam had conquered Europe at the same time, would that have made Islam a White religion?
 
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The only argument they can advance against this is that Christianity has been in Europe for some time - but what if Islam had conquered Europe at the same time, would that have made Islam a White religion?
Then we would have been arguing with racially white Muslims and Muslim Identity 'tards about why Islam is NOT a white religion, and thus no good for us. The MI 'tards would be arguing that Mohammed was actually a 6'2" blond hair and blue eyed Aryan, etc.

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Inter-species marriage [i.e., nigger and human] is infinitely worse than fag marriage, at least the faggots don't produce anything but AIDS. The union the Catholic fucks fought for creates something infinitely worse than AIDS; vile mongrel bastards.

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White people have only survived Christianity because for the first 1000 or so years nearly nobody was allowed to read it and then in the last 500 years nobody has payed attention anyway.

There is nothing, I'll say it again, nothing in Christianity that inherently lends itself to the pro-White cause.
This is true. The only racialism inherent in Christianity is the Old Testament. The OT is inherently racial, for Israelites, but Christianity abrogated that law so it doesn't apply to Christians anyway.
 
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Chrsit-insanity,from its inception,always seeks to proselytize,and who better than the sitting ducks called niggers?It was christ-insanity that made us equal to the nigger,as "we" then had to share the same "God".This must have had an effect on the collective white psyche.It was the churches where the niggers could feel equal to the white man.

It was the churches that taught white man about "Infinite love and compassion".If it weren't for christ-insanity no niggers would have ever infiltrated our civilizations..

Turn the cross upside down,burn the churches to the ground.

 
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This is true. The only racialism inherent in Christianity is the Old Testament. The OT is inherently racial, for Israelites, but Christianity abrogated that law so it doesn't apply to Christians anyway.
The OT / Torah is a jewish supremacist hate-book. The NT is like early Marxism for dolts.
 
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This is true. The only racialism inherent in Christianity is the Old Testament. The OT is inherently racial, for Jewish Semites, but Christianity abrogated that law so it doesn't apply to Christians anyway.
Fixed. Be careful about using the word "Israelites" in case CIdiots came across what you post.
 
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We will be in a better position to reach to the next generation if we throw Christian influence out the door.

The future for Christianity isn't looking good. Its a dying religion. Go down to your local church, look for age groups sitting in the pews. You'll notice 1 is mostly missing. Ages 18-30. The only reason kids are there is because they don't have a say in the matter.

When I was a kid, that was me, the one sitting in church who absolutely dreaded having to go every weekend. I hated church so much, that I didn't even look forward to the weekends. Until I finally had the balls to tell them when I was 12 that I wasn't going. I told them you can ground me, beat me, but I'm not going to church, or Sunday school anymore. They asked why, and I told them I don't believe in God. I ended up winning, but not without a lot of fighting and arguing, and the stance of a single 12 year old made the entire family quit going to church.

Looking back on that I consider it my first huge stance against Christ insanity. All it took was a single rebellious 12 year old to make them wake up to reality. Even to this day, neither one of my parents are committed Christ insaners. Later on it turns out my Dad had no say in it and he is an agnostic like I am.
 
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