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Wow; thanks for linking that. Golden Dawn kicks ass. He handled those questions well. You can tell from his demeanor he hates the media. His attitude is as important as the message when it comes to getting a point across.
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"Cyber-Stalking" is of course an invidious term. I would not consider keeping track of somebody's public lying for the purpose of countering those lies to be any form of stalking, or anything nefarious. Only somebody whose statements can't withstand criticism would say such a thing. You, for example.
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Setting the Record Straight is the definitive site for information on what a scum bag federal informant that Covington is. I posted some of the material here on VNN before Hadding set up that website and can say that he did an excellent job. Anyone who has taken the time to look over the articles and documents on Setting the Record Straight and still thinks that they can still work with or promote Harold Covington will ruin what good reputation they had, if any. Will Williams does not pay anyone to cyber-stalk anyone, you know and I know that that is not the way he does things. If he has anything to say, he will say it himself. Last edited by SmokyMtn; July 29th, 2012 at 05:03 PM. |
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I recognize at this point it is unlikely I and the dozens of others will change your mind. In my opinion, you lost the debate your essay inspired. I've never before seen you respond to arguments with mere characterization and personal attacks. That means you're hiding your real reasons for your position, and cover them with the political rationalizations most on our side reject. Quote:
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If we are seen to actually defend what we claim we believe, in public, under our own names, then they will follow us. Has nothing to do with arguments. It's all about fear. We know the people are with us in the deepest stratum of their being. They want to live around and mate with and form societies with whites - only. But while there's a cost to this position, they won't support us publicly. The only way to change that is through courage. Quote:
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We should act like winners, not Dork Creek Debate Club. If we're secure in our rationality, we already know we're right. We don't have to prove it. But that's all we ever do. Think back to your review of Jim Goad's "Shit Magnet." That's you at your very best, not this Jared-Tayloresque nibs nibs maintain low tones rationality uber alles shit your pushing today. And oddly enough, you're defending the traditional conservative approach - moderate tones making rational arguments - through smears and abuse. But precisely where those don't fit is where there are honest questions about which way to go. Those were the questions your essay raised, by your answers, which failed to persuade. The right response there was to answer them honestly. But you resorted to abuse. Do you really believe the response to your essay came from people who hate you? They almost all are like me - on your side. Your fans. Your friends. Only a few have a personal beef with you. At least that's sure how it looked to me. I guess you can retire thinking you won, but I sure don't think most will see it that way. Quote:
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[following are my comments on what I take as the main points from Greg Johnson's essay "New Right vs Old Right"]
We believe that these aims can come about by changing people’s consciousness, i.e., by persuading enough people in positions of influence that everyone has a stake in ethnonationalism. The promotion of political change through the transformation of consciousness and culture is what we call metapolitics. And you're going to do this purely through the power of your words. Metapolitics refers to what must come before the foundation of a new political order. Metapolitics breaks down into two basic activities. First, there is education: articulating and communicating forms of white nationalism tailored to the interests and outlooks of the full array of white constituencies. This includes not just ivory tower theorizing but also artistic expression, topical cultural and political commentary, and the whole range of media by which they are communicated. Second, there is community organizing, meaning the cultivation of real-world communities that live according to our vision in the present and may serve as the seeds of a New Order to come. How can they live by your vision under the current System, which does not allow them to exclude others based on race? The primary metapolitical project of the North American New Right is to challenge and replace the hegemony of anti-white ideas throughout our culture and political system. The entire cultural and political mainstream—including every shade of the “respectable” political spectrum—treats white racial consciousness and white self-assertion as evil. Our goal is to critique and destroy this consensus and make white racial consciousness and self-assertion hegemonic instead, so that no matter what political party wins office, white interests will be secured. Our goal is a pluralistic white society in which there is disagreement and debate about a whole range of issues. But white survival will not be among them. And you're going to do this...how? Purely by your writing? Likewise, the New Right represents the interests of all whites, but when it comes to social change, we need to adopt a resolutely elitist strategy. We need to recognize that, culturally and politically speaking, some whites matter more than others. History is not made by the masses. It is made out of the masses. It is made by elites molding the masses. Thus we need to direct our message to the educated, urban middle and professional classes and above. Now, wait. Are you trying to BE the elite that conditions the masses? Or are you merely trying to influence that elite? Rhetorical questions, because we know from earlier writings your intent is simply to influence. I remember arguing with you about that. Not only will your approach not work - imagine an Old Rightist, as you sillily denominate him, like Hitler getting up on the platform and declaring that he intended to INFLUENCE the elites. Have you lost your sense of the absurd, Greg? Face it. You just want to write essays, publish books, hold salons, and raise funds. That's fine. Just drop the grandiloquence. There is no shortage of Old Right-style groups with populist messages targeting working class and rural constituencies. But we need to go beyond them if we are going to win. Just who do you have in mind as this elite you're going to influence? Hillary Clinton? Mitt Romney? George Bush the Brown? http://www.counter-currents.com/2012...-vs-old-right/ Last edited by Alex Linder; July 29th, 2012 at 08:02 PM. |
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Logistics and organisation and funding are critical. WN generally do not have these, so fail irrespective of what we try to do. Often we fail simply because we have inadequate people, structures and money. Golden Dawn are picking up the protest vote. When the issue changes and people stop protesting, then they will have nothing unless they can also bring in mainstream political issues. I was raised around the world, have lived around the world as an adult, and have had a kind of auditing function in the financial arm of a mining conglomerate for close to two decades. I have seen the power of these conglomerates, how they raise and bring down governments, and how their power vastly exceeds that of many governments. My perspective is thus quite different. I am pragmatic about what we do. We need to be effective, relevant and practical, now, scattered as we are, where we are, with what people and resources we have. WN should not be focused on opposing the system, but upon revolution within the form, on taking it over and becoming the system. There cannot be a WN government until WN can form that government and actually govern. I posted here and in my sig block some resources on what actually works, and actually gets done to gain power in real life. Quote:
Jews did not rise to power advocating genocide in public, they rose by advocating human rights in public. They always dress well/appropriately, and make themselves appear as the good guys. They organise around thinktanks, NGO's, use religion as a cover, and use religious organisations to amass power that they can use to influence politics. Above all, they are deeply involved in mainstream activities and organisations, and spend vast amounts of time and money on improving their public speaking etc. That's why Toastmasters, Rotary etc are so important. The largest and most powerful corporations are governments and religious organisations, followed by the natural resource corporations. The city state is the usual political structure and power base, as even national politicians all come from cities, and depend upon cities to put them into national power positions. Within cities, business improvement districts are immensely powerful and influential, and they and churches are the primary movers or bases on which many politicians depend. WN can act at city level, and it has immense impact, so that's where I'd say we need to start. Within companies, the company secretary and board committees run the company internally, approving or denying the companies various departments, projects etc and funding or de-funding them. Within the civil service the budget and programme directors and managers run the civil service in reality, as they allocate the funding. Churches have a management committee under whatever name, and there too, the financial people determine what actually happens, and what doesn't. The WN movement needs to put our people into such structures and positions, and we are not going to recruit the accountants, comptrollers, financial managers etc that we need the way so many act currently. WN need to in effect begin our own long march through the institutions, and gradual, incremental steps, occupying key strategic posts are the best way. We aren't in Greece, WN don't speak about the Holocaust etc in public generally. That is the current situation, and that is the framework and reality we need to work in now. If that framework and reality changes, then what we do can change to. Greece is around 11 million people, across 130 000 km's, half of which are islands or port cities. Athens has around 700 000 people in it. The US governs around 200 million Whites, across 10 million sq kms, and is involved i corporations and mines etc across the world. Britain governs Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, around 120 million people and around 18 million sq kms. It also controls the mining, banking, trade and large portions of the economies of the Commonwealth of 54 nations, most of which are non-White. The sheer size and scale and global activities just of these two areas necessitates a different approach to that in Greece, though actually, within Greece, all the action is in Athens at present, a sort of combination of New York and Washington in one city. Add to that France, Germany, Russia etc, and we are dealing with far more than Greece is. Politics in Britain and the US also requires an understanding that politicians and parties need to deal with non-Whites today in order to get the resources needed to maintain the current White standard of living. To show how the holocaust is used against Whites can be done in a few moments. To explain how Jews were hated because they started communism, can also be done in a few moments. The holocaust can be disproved by simply looking at how long it takes a modern crematorium to cremate a body. Not to mention the 20 to 30 so kgs of remains that still remain after cremation of the average adult. Right there, in that one fact, the entire holocaust case, the witnesses, the ovens, the numbers claimed to have died, all fall apart. I followed Irving's trial day by day, and it was clear from the transcripts that there had never been a holocaust. Then looking at both of Zundel's trials, it was even more clear. But who will listen? No-one has till now, so whilst we need WN to know about it, its not practical to think that we can change their minds. It would simply take more resources and people than we have available to change the public's minds. At best, we can explain how slavery, the holocaust etc are used against us, and some in the public will accept that. Communism and Israel and Jews current actions are as useful to us, so I advocate using those that we can use, with what we have, that we focus upon what we are doing, and not always be so concerned about Jews are doing, and that we move toward preparation for economic collapse and secession. There's a difference between a movement and a political party. One can envisage the movement as a series of concentric circles, strong at the centre, with clearly defined lines, getting ever weaker and more fuzzy as the circles get larger and move outward. The centre circle is race, the next circle ethnonationalism, the next state nationalism, the next two conservatism and classical liberalism, and then political parties/ideologies. Within each are thinktanks, various religious groups, etc. Political parties need to work within the system, and get elected, change legislation and control budgets and the civil service. Take a look at the reaction to the Ron Paul movement, focusing on things as mild as obeying the law, balancing the budget, and not killing people. Thousands of members, millions of zogbucks, yet RP's own son betrays him, the public don't support him, and he is viciously attacked. Politically it has begun to make inroads, but it will take years for them to work their way inside the main republican party. If RP had added holocaust denial to his speeches, he would be forced out of office, and his movement would simply disappear. Then add to that race, Jews, queers etc. He would not even feature. So even though he is not a WN, some of his positions benefit WN, so he should be supported by WN. In the UK, the National Front which have been around since 1967 do as you advocate. Hard core ultra radical, protests, marches, speeches that make you at to charge up the beaches of Normandy, anti-semitic, holocaust deniers, and as pro White as humanly possible. Result : after 50 years, in the 2010 general election they received 11 000 votes, and have not won a seat in 50 years. John Tyndall was a NF leader, who then formed the BNP. You can see at 1:25 onwards how they have changed what it said in public, and backtracked away from saying what they really think, as it is not politically effective. The BNP was created out of NF members who thought it's strategy was going nowhere. Language toned down, focus shifted to a nationalist one, and suits started being worn. Result - in the 2010 general election results they received 563 000 votes, and received 943 000 votes for the MEP elections, making them, together with UKIP, into the top 5 parties in Britain. Till the split, the BNP had around 50 councillors, and has 2 MEP seats. UKIP, by no means a pro White party, wants out of the EU. It gets around a million votes. The BNP are linked to a network of nationalist parties across the EU, and UKIP another similar group, but mostly the more conservative type. The top three parties in the UK which march in lockstep get together around 24 million votes. Thus a general election is not feasible, only local elections are. It's much the same across Europe, with the Flemish Vlaams Belang, Austrias Freedom Party, Frances Front National etc all realising that they can operate at two levels, an outer circle of what is said in public, and an inner circle of what they actually think. Companies work the same way. The shareholders have the full picture, the board of directors a more or less accurate picture, general management a less holistic view, and then the various departments each with a very narrow view UKIP has the image I'd advocate WN project have in public, rather than costumes, fake military ranks and general weirdness.
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That said, I agree with Alex Linder that the GD leader showed everyone how to handle this issue when it does come up. In his case, some dishonest journalist tried to tie GD to Hitler and "the holocaust." When it happened, the GD leader didn't run away from it. He threw it back in the guy's face. He questioned the numbers, raised doubts, questioned gas chambers and undercut the idea that Jewish lives are more precious than other peoples' lives. And he did it all while looking the guy dead in the eye. I think that's how it should be done. Quote:
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Re: taking power "because" of the holocaust, I simply used the language of Hugh's comment. My point is that I don't see where dealing with the holocaust figured into GD taking power. If it didn't, again, that's evidence the subject is peripheral to practical politics. This goes to the topic of the thread. The takeaway for me from Greg Johnson's long TOO article is that holocaust is not essential to the WNist project the ultimate goal of which is power. The GD example would seem to support this.
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He's arguing against a strawman. I didnt say, no one says, GD won because they talked about the holocaust. The point is they have won seats, and their leader takes questions about the 'holocaust' and shoves them up the interviewers ass. No problem. Why can't we learn from that? Instead we're lectured by the Greg Johnsons of the world that we need to meekly accept this jewish balderdash as the truth, and run away from it. Quote:
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Lew said "practical politics." That's a Bugster buzzword.
This whole Greg Johnson sidestepping of the Holohoax seems to have some relationship to Bugsterism. Both attempt to make use of the genocide-accusation instead of shooting it down with the truth.
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In my case, it is a coincidence I used phrasing that overlaps bugsterism. I don't follow the bugster guy. My weekly read is usually CC, OD, Sailer, TOO, VNN more and more lately. Unless I'm mistaken, and I might be mistaken, part of the bugster concept is avoiding the entire JQ not just holocaust. I definitely don't agree with that.
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After reading Johnson's article about the Holohoax I put him on my Suspect List.
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"You may not be interested in the state, but the state is interested in you." --Lenin
That's how it is with the 'holocaust' too. The jews will keep browbeating us with terms like racist and and bundled accusations like 'holocaust' until we come up wtih the right answers. The right answer to holocaust? BLOOD LIBEL. Spread by peole who actually did butcher millions. |
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"The Evidence of the Prussian Blue." by Dr. William L. Pierce From National Vanguard magazine issue No. 110, March-April 1989:
The second point to be made was that, even if the Germans had gassed and cremated Jews in the designated facilities in the concentration camps, they could not possibly have killed anything near the number of Jews claimed in the "Holocaust" propaganda; the facilities simply were not adequate for the task. The clear implication of these tests is that, in complete contradiction of Jewish "Holocaust" claims, Jews were not gassed in the concentration camps which they assert were "death camps," where a massive, continuing program of executions of Jewish prisoners with Zyklon B is alleged to have occurred. And this contradiction, so stark and clear-cut, casts an even greater pall of doubt than existed before over the whole Jewish story of a deliberate German campaign of extermination which took six million Jewish lives. |
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Out of curiosity, are you intimating the parties funding Golden Dawn might have an agenda other than Golden Dawn's public agenda?
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