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Old July 12th, 2004 #61
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What's wrong with condoms?

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Decreases the White birthrate, which is way too low as it is.

Plus using them is like taking a shower wearing a raincoat
 
Old July 12th, 2004 #62
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Why do you write it in quotation marks? Do you think I am lying when I say that women vote less nationalist than men? Then say it out loud, instead of using insinuations.
It's just denial of reality. Men hold 99 percent of all patents. Since someone will scream for sources:

http://www.amren.com/923issue/923issue.html (it's from the book Brain Sex, just in case someone tries to say I can't refer to American Renaissance)

Now I also have statistics that they've been demanding. Bear in mind before reading this: The French FN is more diluted, mainstream and infinitely bigger than any organization in the United States (and other political parties in Europe). The size of the organization and less radical message will naturally attract more females (in this case, simply voters). The fact that women would rabidly vote for the FN if they were in power means little -- it is the struggle before one obtains power where activism and secondarily support (by a longshot) really matters.

If you were to get down to the percentage of FN activists, the percentage would be much more uneven.

http://www.europanet.org/past_newsle...earthquake.htm

"Given the continued “gender gap” of the FN vote (21% of French males voted for Le Pen and 13% of French women), this makes the FN voter profile very similar to that of the Freedom Party voter in Austria: a blue-collar prime age male."

It is simply in our genes that men are more creative, aggressive, territorial and willing to hold and express demonized opinions. I know that some will continue to deny this reality but each time you do think back to the patents and the 99 percent figure.

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Old July 13th, 2004 #63
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Have a strawberry shortcake sale. Maybe that would attract them.
Exactly, exactly. We'll give out Polly Pocket party favors.
 
Old July 13th, 2004 #64
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In all seriousness, you need to actually place some appeal to females within the litrature also, if you want to increase membership don't hit suburbia, hit the poor white areas with litrature. You'll get nowhere trying to attract a bunch of yo-yos with silver spoons in their mouths with no real idea of what a coon is like beyond what they see on TV.
 
Old July 13th, 2004 #65
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So? Jews hold patents, earn college admissions, etc. far out of proportion to their percentage of the population. Does that mean all of this was obtained fairly, without any dirty tricks?
So, are you saying White men obtained their patents unfairly and with dirty tricks? This will be interesting.

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For one thing, you are quoting this garbage from a Jewish source (from New York University no less!). You seem to be fond of quoting from "anti-racist" sites, which does nothing to boost your (non-existent) credibility.
1. Why are the voting statistics garbage?

2. Do you believe the statistics are falsified just because they come from New York University? It seems so, but I would like to see you state it clearly.


You say that

a) the statistics are false, and

b) if they are true, then they don't matter anyway, because the gap is not big enough.

Is that correct? Why the need for two explanations, I wonder? Seems the second one is there to give you a way out in case the first one would fail.


Btw, what's with the non-White name? Are you an Indian? Should you be in the Opposition Forum?
 
Old July 13th, 2004 #66
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So? Jews hold patents, earn college admissions, etc. far out of proportion to their percentage of the population. Does that mean all of this was obtained fairly?
Probably. I don't think any reaonsable person thinks Ashkenazi jews are dumb.




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Old July 13th, 2004 #67
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They cannot be trusted. Then again, given your infatuation with the very Jewish system of Capitalism, it's no surprise that you would have an affinity for New York University.
Ah, I see our resident non-White is a teenager! His language speaks volumes.

The average teenager online: aggressive, little knowledge, never admitting when he is wrong, always interfering in discussions where he doesn't belong, always resorting to name-calling when he can't back his claims. Then disappearing again just as quickly when he realizes he is out of his league, to show up somewhere else or under a new name.

So, if you accuse Tyler D of posting false statistics, then how about showing us the real ones about Front National's members and voters?

The rest of us know the statistics are right. You're just denying their validity because they are obviously prowing you wrong. And you are also severely breaking the letter and the spirit of the rules of the civil forum, but I see the moderators are lenient.

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Old July 13th, 2004 #68
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His stated goal was to raise the White birthrate. If people lack access to contraception and abortions, that will happen.
You would have to 1st deny them access to abstinance
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Old July 13th, 2004 #69
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As faem.com hammered home many times: WE FEED, THEY BREED! We absolutely do need to eject all non-Whites but the mental "sickness" here still remains.
What happened to FAEM anyway?

The ideas would eventually disappear without the Jewish engine behind them, as they are anti-nature. Even so, you are right, since the process would take too long for our liking. And of course, any effort that gets rid of the Jews is more than likely to be aimed against their Marxist policies at the same time.

As for birth-rates, first of all, I don't think our countries need to be more populated than they already are. Like Dr. Pierce I think we need less people per square kilometer, not more. A Britain with no more than 30 million people would still function well. But if we want higher birthrates, getting rid of condoms is the wrong way to go. What you need is simply a conservative, White lifestyle, where family is celebrated and supported in a multitude of ways.
 
Old July 13th, 2004 #70
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What happened to FAEM anyway?

The ideas would eventually disappear without the Jewish engine behind them, as they are anti-nature. Even so, you are right, since the process would take too long for our liking. And of course, any effort that gets rid of the Jews is more than likely to be aimed against their Marxist policies at the same time.

As for birth-rates, first of all, I don't think our countries need to be more populated than they already are. Like Dr. Pierce I think we need less people per square kilometer, not more. A Britain with no more than 30 million people would still function well. But if we want higher birthrates, getting rid of condoms is the wrong way to go. What you need is simply a conservative, White lifestyle, where family is celebrated and supported in a multitude of ways.
Scandanavia is losing villages in the hinterlands isnt it? I think Scandanavia could stand to have more people especially the Scandavian kind. That would be a blessing.

A heavily settled area like England might be a different story. England is past "full up."
 
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Only ten percent of the population lives in Norrland, which makes up two thirds of the country, but I don't think they need more people up there. They are losing people, but mainly because people move southward, and I haven't heard of any village being emptied. No, we did well with four million people, we don't need nine. Nine million only means overcrowded cities, it's not like anyone is building any entirely new cities. We are fond of our vast forests in the north, and like to keep them the way they are.

As for urbanization, it also seems it is getting easier to live in smaller towns now, with better communications. So that problem will probably take care of itself.
 
Old July 13th, 2004 #72
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Ah, I see our resident non-White is a teenager! His language speaks volumes.

The average teenager online: aggressive, little knowledge, never admitting when he is wrong, always interfering in discussions where he doesn't belong, always resorting to name-calling when he can't back his claims. Then disappearing again just as quickly when he realizes he is out of his league, to show up somewhere else or under a new name.
"Satyameva Jayate" posts at The Phora under the moniker "Miss O' Gyny," and before that, I suspect, as "Mary Poppins" at the same forum. She started a thread at The Phora belittling your intelligence.

http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?t=637

I wonder why this person failed to answer your question.

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Old July 13th, 2004 #73
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I really dont see the point of this thread. Who needs women in politics?
 
Old July 13th, 2004 #74
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I always liked browsing Phora. Chock full of self-important neo-intellectual know it alls. It is easier to paint people with broad brushes.

People always like to pretend they have the answer to everything.

I think this topic is an important one. Males often go where the women are.
Get more than a few good looking girls at the forefront of Racialism/Nationalism and you will see a dramatic increase in the number of men.
Of course, this is easier said than done.
A few prominent nationalists in Europe happen to be female. I'd say they are of the same pyschological profile as most men who permeate the WN scene.

Most people, men and women, are followers. There will always be a select few who choose the path of most resistance.
Let's not over-analyze it.
Sure, there are more than a few defectives within Racialist circles.
But, there are more than a handful of quality people (men and women) involved as well.

Many out there (often the phora types) who constantly whine about the PR of racialism to the general public.
Obviously, these people have wet dream fantasies of a NSM resurgence as well.
This is unlikely to happen.

It's useless to keep going in circles over the men vs women debate.
Fact: Males tend to be involved in racialist movements.
Thus, Males tend to be more racially conscious than females.
Yes, there are some racially conscious females.
Check the numbers: its is mostly a male ideology.
Females are much less likely to be part of a socially ridiculed movement than men.

Women come after the fact. I will tell you which button you need to push if you want to attract the women en masse: become creible, viable and successful.
Most men don't want to be with losers.
Why would you think women would?
 
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Interesting how you didn't mention that FadetheButcher, founder of The Phora, agreed with me in the same thread: "Freddie thinks National Socialism is some sort of conservatism. As I pointed out before, Freddie believes in all sorts of stupid things." Fade could be sound asleep and still tear Freddy up in a debate.
Seems this little girl is obsessed with me. Pathetic, really. She can't take opposition, so has to go whine and whine and try to find someone who will agree with her. Sattie, sweetie, Fanatic Fade ran away when his lies were ripped apart here at VNN. He hasn't dared return since. And you have to hide behind him as a blanket? You resort to that when you fail in a debate? What's the matter, can't fight your own battles, hm? Seems like it.

Hey girl, how about answering the questions you try to avoid?

Are you really saying White men obtained their patents unfairly and with dirty tricks?

And if you accuse Tyler D of lying, then how about showing us the real statistics about Front National's members and voters? Or were you just saying his statistics were false because you didn't know how to reply to them?

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Old July 14th, 2004 #76
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I suppose not, given your ignorance regarding National Socialism, and well, just about everything.

I remind all that this is the Civil Forum.



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Yes she was. Her whole proposed program was based upon eugenics, and sought to improve racial stock by excising the dull, deformed, and racially inferior.

LOL you are going to trust Planned Parenthood? This is nothing but public relations propaganda. PP doesn't want their founder branded a Nazi.

There is no contradiction between eugenics/racism and advocating power for women. White societies in general have always given more power and respect to strong, intelligent women than any of the non-White cesspools that you admire. You have a real problem with White civilization.
Prove that she was a racist. Go find the books, scan the pages and put them online. Do not give quotes out of context.

I don't have to like Planned Parenthood or any "anti" website that points out that quotations are attributed to the wrong person and others are altered. I've already posted about this regarding the George Washington and Ben Franklin "anti-semitic" quotes. I also looked up the book that attributed an anti-Jewish comment to Washington and, sure enough like the website claimed, it was not there.

You can't flip-flop on your position. First it's just that degenerate Whites and muds should have abortions. The "power" that Sanger desired for women included abortions and birth control for everyone, not just a select class of imbeciles. She spent much of her time propagandizing wealthy women about those issues.

Western civilization has always been patriarchal. You might not like it but that's your problem.
 
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So? Jews hold patents, earn college admissions, etc. far out of proportion to their percentage of the population. Does that mean all of this was obtained fairly, without any dirty tricks?

For one thing, you are quoting this garbage from a Jewish source (from New York University no less!). You seem to be fond of quoting from "anti-racist" sites, which does nothing to boost your (non-existent) credibility.

For another thing, "21%" and "13%" is not a huge gender gap. A truly huge gap would be "21%" and "1.3%". Note also that the FN voter profile is first and foremost blue-collar. Does that mean it has to be that way? Does that mean White Nationalists should write off white collar, college-educated folks and restrict their appeals to construction workers? Only by your twisted logic.

Your "strategy" is nothing less than a plan for perpetual self-marginalization. Tell me, what group benefits from that?

That men are supposedly (according to a Jewish source) somewhat more active in FN does absolutely nothing to show that women are less racist than men.

Which is no doubt why millions of men are rushing to join the White Revolution. LOL!!!
I never claimed that Jews were imbeciles, so why should I doubt the patents? As for college admissions, non-Whites (including Jews) are simply favored. That does little (nothing) to counter the 99 percent figure.

Just admit that you never did want statistics. I've argued with far too many fools like you before. They have a certain idea in mind that they refuse to budge on. It doesn't matter how absurd it might be. First, you want to complain that it's a source from NYU. Now, if it was a source from, say, the government, you would still say that "the Jews" were responsible for altering the true statistics. The source was only about voters not a profile about the activists, so don't try to confuse that.

Now, you have an argument to fall back on even if that's not good enough. The statistics aren't "huge" enough. You want men to outVOTE women for a nationalist party by 20 times for it to become significant. That is an absurd standard. The number of men voting for the FN versus women is lopsided. The percentage of activists is even moreso.

Find an organization and you will discover this for yourself. It's easy to claim that it's "just not true!" when your only experience comes from plucking away at your keyboard.
 
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Satyameva Jayate:

You've never bothered answering:

1. Are you a feminist?
2. Are you in favor of legalized abortion for White women?
3. Have you ever been a member of a nationalist party or organization?
4. Have you ever been to a rally?

For 3 and 4, be specific and tell me about the gender ratio.
 
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Hey girl, how about answering the questions you try to avoid?

Are you really saying White men obtained their patents unfairly and with dirty tricks?
She won't answer that because it would force her to concede the absurdity of her counterexample.
 
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