#1 Golden Dawn Thread

[White Dragon]

Golden Dawn leadership sentenced to 13 years in prison.

A Greek court sentenced the leadership of the extreme-right Golden Dawn party to 13 years in prison Wednesday, imposing the near-maximum penalty for running a criminal organization blamed for numerous violent hate crimes.

Presiding judge Maria Lepenioti read out the sentences against party leader Nikos Michaloliakos and seven other former lawmakers.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/258056/...ears-in-prison

[Pierre-Marc]

The sentences were given today by the court.

The leader of Golden Dawn, Nikos Michaloliakos, was given a 13-year sentence for directing a criminal organization as well as 1 year and a €1'000 fine for illegal possession of a firearm (in a country where the number of illicit firearms is estimated to be of nearly 1 million for a population of 10 million).

The same sentence was given to Ilias Kasidiaris, Ioannis Lagos, Christos Pappas, Ilias Panagiotaros and Georgios Germenis. A 10-year sentence was given for the same charge to Artemis Mattheopoulos.

Except for Mattheopoulos and Panagiotaros, the sentences for illegal possession of a firearm ranged from 6 months to 1 year.

For participating in a criminal organisation, Panagiotis Iliopoulos and Nikos Kouzilos were given a 7-year sentence. 6 years for Polyvios Zisimopoulos, Antonios Gregos, Konstantinos Barbarousis, Eleni Zaroulia (wife of Michaloliakos) and Dimitris Koukoutsis. 5 years for Chrysovalantis Alexopoulos, Stathis Boukouras, Nikos Michos and Michalis Arvanitis.

George Roupakias, the one who killed the low-life anti-Greek communist thug Pavlos Fyssas (also known for his antifascist rapping activities), was given a life sentence, a 10-year sentence for being a member of a criminal organisation, a 4-year sentence for illegal possession of firearms and another 4-year sentence for use of a weapon. 14 others were also convicted for the murder of the low-life thug and were given 6 to 8-year sentences as well as 3 to 6-year sentences for participating in a criminal organisation. Note that none of the directing members of GD were found guilty of participating in the murder of the thug…

For the attack on illegal Egyptian fishermen 5 were convicted of attempted murder. 4 of them got 6 years for the attempted murder and 3 for participating in an criminal organisation. The last one got 8 years and 6 years. Again, none of the convicted were the leaders of GD.

For the attack on the low-life communists of the PAME syndicate, 3 were convicted of grievous bodily harm with sentences between 4 and 8 years each. Again, none of the convicted were the leaders of GD.

It remains to be known if the right to appeal the decision will have a suspensive effect or not. If it does, members will not go to prison until the end of the appeal. But because the political society has decided they want to see on TV, once more, the nationalists in handcuffs and thrown into prison, the suspensive effect will most probably not be given.

Yesterday, something interesting happened. Ioannis Lagos, which is an MEP and thus has immunity (though not for long, I'm sure the EU parliament will work very quickly to lift it), came from Brussels and appear in court along with the famous lawyer Konstantinos Plevris, the "father" of modern Greek nationalism, in order to request the disqualification of all the judges because of the lack of impartial treatment during the trial. Following this request, the current judges had to pause the trial multiple times, ask for other judges to come to court in order to decide if the request was to be accepted or not. Of course, if was rejected, but the new judges admitted that the presumption of innocence of the accused had been violated. Following this, Ioannis Lagos, whose new party is now a member of the APF, said that he has formed a legal group a European lawyers, including Italian lawyer Carlo Taormina, to bring the case before the European court.

Also, politicians are discussing ways of stripping the condemned of their political rights. This clearly proves that this trial is nothing but a political one. I do not know how many years of the 13-year sentence will have to be done at the minimum, but at least 4 to 5 years I believe.

Although I maintain that, IMO, GD had no more political future because of the way it was managed and because of the prominent members that had left, Ilias Kasidiaris and his new party were becoming a real threat to the "right-wing" New Democracy party, appearing in opinion polls as soon as the party was created. New Democracy is the party of former PM Antonis Samaras under which the trial against GD started. Of course, he only started the trial after he was given the order to do so by the World Jewish Council.

The actual Greek PM is Kyriakos Mitsotakis, married to Mareva Grabowski, "an investment banker with Greek, Polish and Egyptian roots..." (wikipedia)

March 17, 2013 (so before the murder and before the trial)
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...d-lauder-urges

In a speech in the presence of Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras, WJC President Ronald S. Lauder urged Greece to take decisive action against the growing neo-Nazi movement Golden Dawn, which he called “the new Nazis” and “a threat to democracy.” In a resolution the World Jewish Congress called on Greece to consider banning extremist parties such as Golden Dawn.

Samaras on Sunday became the first sitting Greek prime minister of the last 100 years to visit a synagogue. He pledged that his government would do everything to rein in the extremists. The Greek government would enact legislation that will be “completely intolerant to violence and racism,” he said, noting that with neo-Nazi parties on the rise again in Europe, governments had to “be very careful not to let them gain ground as they did in the 1930s.”

September 23, 2013 (murder of the thug)
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...rder-of-rapper

December 10, 2013
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-on-extremists
https://www.timesofisrael.com/greek-...imar-republic/

April 20, 2015 (start of the trial; April 20, hmmm, nice choice...)

[White Dragon]

Rule Through Law: Nationalist Politicians Are Being Imprisoned For Their Beliefs Across Europe

Multiple European Union states are breaking with post-war liberal conventions and openly imprisoning prominent political opponents and intellectuals for ideological crimes.

https://national-justice.com/rule-th...-across-europe

[Dawn Cannon]

[Pierre-Marc]

Originally Posted by White Dragon

Rule Through Law: Nationalist Politicians Are Being Imprisoned For Their Beliefs Across Europe

Multiple European Union states are breaking with post-war liberal conventions and openly imprisoning prominent political opponents and intellectuals for ideological crimes.

https://national-justice.com/rule-th...-across-europe

Thanks for this. And also Salvini who their are accusing of "kidnapping migrants". What a joke!

In yesterday's interview with Ioannis Lagos, he says he has managed to form a group of 22 lawyers from Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, France, Italy and Cyprus. On his party's website he published a message of the lawyer Carlo Taormina:

https://elasyn.com/2020/10/13/carlo-taormina/

“Appare con chiarezza che in Europa in questo momento vi siano processi di natura politica. Questi processi secondo la logica del politically correct colpiscono uomini e donne con una visione cristiana della società. Se Alba Dorata non fosse contraria all’immigrazione selvaggia, se si fosse schierata a favore dei matrimoni gay o se fosse ideologicamente marxista oggi non sarebbe sotto processo. Dovranno essere interessati i più alti consessi di giustizia europei per poter uscire da questa eclisse della giustizia”.

“It is clear that in Europe at the moment there are processes of a political nature. These processes according to the logic of the politically correct affect men and women with a Christian vision of society. If Golden Dawn weren't against wild immigration, if it were in favor of gay marriage or if it were ideologically Marxist, it would not be on trial today. The highest European courts of justice will have to be involved in order to get out of this eclipse of justice ”.

Below are the new sentences. The difference is that when there were multiple sentences for one individual, they were "merged" and very slightly diminished.

As for the execution of these sentences, i.e. the time that they'll have to spend in prison, the formula for the minimum is the following: years / 3 - pre-trial detention time. Pre-trial detention time ranges from 12 to 18 months depending on the MP (remember some were imprisoned in 2013-2014-2015). Things might be different for Michaloliakos as he's almost 63 years old and at 65 he might have to be released anyway.

Total for all members: 442.5 years

Directing a criminal organization

Nikos Michaloliakos, 13 years, 6 months
Ioannis Lagos, 13, 8
Ilias Kasidiaris, 13, 6
George Germenis, 13, 6
Christos Pappas, 13, 3
Ilias Panagiotaros, 13
Artemis Mattheopoulos, 10

Participating in a criminal organization (former MPs)

Panagiotis Iliopoulos, 7
Nikos Kouzilos, 7
Eleni Zaroulia, 6
Polyvios Zisimopoulos, 6
Antonis Gregosm 6
Dimitris Koukoutsis, 6
Konstantinos Barbarousis, 6

Participating in a criminal organization (former MPs, mitigating circumstances)

Xrysovalantis Alexopoulos, 5
Michalis Arvanitis, 5
Evstathios Boukouras, 5, 6
Nikos Michos, 6

Murder of the low-life commie rapper thug

George Roupakias, 14 and life
Ioannis Aggos, 9, 2
Anadiotis Anastasios, 7
George Dimou, 7
Ioannis Kazantzoglou, 10, 2
Kalaritis Elpidoforos, 9
Ioannis Komianos, 9
Konstantinos Korkovilis, 9
An. Michalaros, 9, 2
George Pantelis, 10, 2
St. Santorineos, 2
G. Skalkos, 7
G. Stabelos, 9
G. Tsakanikas, 6
Leon Tsalikis, 9
Ath. Tsorvas, 9
Nik. Tsorvas, 9
Ar. Xrysafitis, 7

Attempted murder on illegals Egyptian fishermen

Dim. Agriogiannis, 7
Markos Evgenikos, 7
Thomas Marias, 7
Kon. Papadopoulos, 7
Antast. Pantazis, 10, 24

Attack on communist syndicate

Kyriakos Antonakopoulos, 3, 6
Kastrinos Io., 3, 6
Antonis Hatzidakis, 6

Participating in a criminal organization (members)

Nick. Apostolou, 7
Arist. Daskalakis, 5
Liakopoulos Dion., 6
Barekas Thomas, 6, 2
Nick. Papavassiliou, 6
Venetia Popori, 7, 4
Vas. Siatounis, 6
Chr. Stergiopoulos, 6
Ath. Stratos, 6
G. Tsakanikas, 6
Mikelatou Margarita, 2
Θεοδ. Stefas, 1, 5
Theoni Skarpeli, 1
Anastasios Chilios, 2

[Pierre-Marc]

Well, here we go. Despite the prosecutor saying that the appeal should have a suspensive effect on the sentences, the court decided otherwise and thus the convicted nationalists are being sent to prison. In December 2019, the prosecutor had said that there was no criminal organisation and she defended her position even after the court's judgement.

In all 38 people are going to prison including Michaloliakos, Kasidiaris (member of local parliament of Athens), Germenis, Panagiotaros, Lagos (MEP, currently in Brussels), Pappas, Matthaiopoulos, Michos, Iliopoulos, Kouzilos, Gregos and Barbarousis.

As for the time they will actually spend in prison, if we take the sentence of 13 years and 6 months and a pre-trial detention of 12 months (Kasidiaris) then we get, best case scenario, 13.5/3 - 1 = 3.5 years behind bars.

Ioannis Lagos has said that his immunity in the EP can't be lifted as long as the court judgement isn't final (i.e. after an appeal), he mentioned art 9 par 7 of the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament. We'll see...

As for Kasidiaris, he said he will participate in the next elections, whenever they are. For the moment, they still have their political rights.

[White Dragon]

Fugitive Golden Dawn official files for appeal, while still at large

Christos Pappas, the number two in the leadership of Golden Dawn who is evading arrest after he was convicted to 13 years in jail for his role in the neo-Nazi group, has appealed against the verdict, his lawyer said on Monday.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/258500/articl

[White Dragon]

Golden Dawn victims appeal sentences

The lawyers representing victims of Golden Dawn on Monday appealed against the prison sentences handed down to members of the neo-Nazi party, calling them too lenient, while GD’s number two Christos Pappas, who remains at large, also appealed his 13-year term.

Appeals were lodged by attorneys of three Egyptian fishermen and of members of the Communist Party union PAME who were violently assaulted by GD members in 2012 and 2013

https://www.ekathimerini.com/258516/articl

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Dawn Cannon

Actually wasn't the British Empire the greatest murder machine in history?
It killed more than Communist Russia.
BTW, the 20 million dead figure in Soviet Union during WW2, was not just Russians, it actually included the deaths of all nationalities in it. And a large percentage of them were killed by Russians directly themselves.

''The higher Soviet death tolls include ALL deaths in the counties Russia occupied after the war, or countries Russia considered as part of their empire. These include lands where virtually no Russians were living (today’s Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, and eastern Poland). Before WWII, most of this very large area was culturally Polish dominant, with large minorities of Jews, Lithuanians, Ruthenians, and others. These are the lands where most of the battles were fought on the Eastern front (not Russia). These are the lands where untold atrocities occurred on both sides at the expense of the local (non-Russian) population.

The point here that I’m trying to make is that a relatively large percentage of ‘Soviet deaths’ were not Soviets and especially not Russians. It’s a disgrace to the people who died to call them Soviets when many of them actually fought AGAINST the USSR. Germans didn’t kill those people, Russians did. Both countries started the war and bear the responsibility of the total annihilation of Eastern Europe.''

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-we-ev...ost-every-year

Communism is cancer though.

[Dawn Cannon]

Originally Posted by Donny

Actually wasn't the British Empire the greatest murder machine in history?
It killed more than Communist Russia.
BTW, the 20 million dead figure in Soviet Union during WW2, was not just Russians, it actually included the deaths of all nationalities in it. And a large percentage of them were killed by Russians directly themselves.

''The higher Soviet death tolls include ALL deaths in the counties Russia occupied after the war, or countries Russia considered as part of their empire. These include lands where virtually no Russians were living (today’s Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, and eastern Poland). Before WWII, most of this very large area was culturally Polish dominant, with large minorities of Jews, Lithuanians, Ruthenians, and others. These are the lands where most of the battles were fought on the Eastern front (not Russia). These are the lands where untold atrocities occurred on both sides at the expense of the local (non-Russian) population.

The point here that I’m trying to make is that a relatively large percentage of ‘Soviet deaths’ were not Soviets and especially not Russians. It’s a disgrace to the people who died to call them Soviets when many of them actually fought AGAINST the USSR. Germans didn’t kill those people, Russians did. Both countries started the war and bear the responsibility of the total annihilation of Eastern Europe.''

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-we-ev...ost-every-year

Communism is cancer though.

Do you need glasses?