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If all of this is true he even duped the likes of Metzger. I guess the Duke folks may have been right about Hal.
If the the court documents do back the Associated press, Hal may have a hard life ahead of him. It is such a shame that that there aren't any dynamic personalities out there that can do a show that supports the rights of White folks to survive and have a future. We do need that kind of voice to help wake our folk. |
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August 10th, 2009 | #25 |
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Regardless of anything, I wish all FBI informants would be like Hal Turner. He woke up more whites than I can tell you with his show and website. A hell of alot more damage was done to the jew world order than anything good. Of this I can attest.
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August 10th, 2009 | #26 |
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I'll reserve judgment until more is known. Personally met Hal a couple of times and he seemed like your typical neo-con guy from NJ. Certainly didin't come off as a fire eater jumping at the bit to ethnically cleanse his neighborhood.
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AUDIO: Radio Interview with Hal Turner's Lawyer
Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98940 . |
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.
It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities. In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected. Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??
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I'd like to hear Alex's "take" on all this. Alex is honest and insightful and more capable of cutting through the BS. We do know one thing, though. The JOG hates Turner's guts.
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What does an “agent provocateur” claim have to do with a First Amendment defense? Nothing that I can see. It’s either protected speech or it’s not, regardless of the motive. So then why raise the agent provocateur issue at all? The only reason I can think of would be to muddy the prosecution’s case and place additional doubt in the judges’/ juries’ mind when you think your First Amendment defense could be weak. (i.e. “If my client over stepped the free speech line, it was only because he was paid to do so.”) |
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Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot. Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner. |
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Do you mean like charges of sedition or armed robbery and murder??? Nothing like that yet. |
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I've given my opinion of Turner many times before.
I don't trust him based on my dealings with him and the fact that he lies about both his own costs and simply invents stories out of thin air and runs them as real news. VNN's backer paid him a lot of money to host us a few years ago. During the half-summer we were on his server, VNN was down about half the time. Worse than any other server we've been with. I loaded stories for three days, and only then did he tell me I was loading them to the wrong server. There's no excuse for what he has done. Those of you claiming to be shocked are pathetic. When will some of you get it through your heads that liars do more damage than good? We hardly need to lie to advance our cause. All we need is the truth, put in simple, direct form, repeated endlessly. That alone won't get the job done, but it is certainly the starting point. The rest I lay out in "Strategy" and related forums below. Those of you defending Turner belong to the class of loser-fantasists that, even here, we see far too many of. If you think it costs Hal Turner thousands of dollars a month to run his network, you are too stupid to be of use to any political cause. If you can't tell that Hal made up most of his news...same thing. If you're making excuses for him, you're worse than pathetic. Your type will cause this thing to happen over and over again. Lying and blowharding do nothing for our cause. Wake up and realize that. It's one thing to be a patriotard+race, as Hal was, and at a truly professional level. That's fine as far as it goes. We can use a Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh-style radio voice. But to make stuff up and to issue threats you know you have no intention of following through on is incredibly destructive. Not merely to yourself, as White and Turner have found, but more subtly in that it attracts precisely the kind of easily impressed loser that is sheer avoirdupois on any worthwhile cause. Rounder, if you had done what Turner did, I would have nothing to do with you. There is no excuse for what he did. Whereas, in your case, the Order wronged you. And I have not seen a single one of the Order fangirls acknowledge that. The Order did nothing for our cause except destroy the most successful American White political group created since before WWII. Just one last time, in case you don't get it: You making excuses for Turner are pathetic losers. Your very comments show that you are not to be trusted. |
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If Hal Turner was a paid FBI informant, the government sure has a twisted way of thanking him for his services. The manner in which Hal is currently being crucified and persecuted by the government makes me skeptical about him ever being an informant in the first place. It's hard to imagine a genuine FBI informant and agent provocateur being hammered so hard by the same feds that Hal had supposedly helped. As the Irishmen pointed out, I think this is a desperation attempt by Hal and his lawyers to avoid a long prison sentence.
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Notice I banned both White and Turner before all this garbage happened. That is because I correctly recognized that although both men have real, substantial, professional-level virtues, these virtues are outweighed by their flaws, in both cases their willingness to lie outright repeatedly.
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August 11th, 2009 | #39 |
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There is for me. His lawyers and family are certainly acting on his instructions. I have met Hal in person. He has precisely the bearing of the cop - bluff, hearty, loud, strong. It is easy for me to believe that he helped the FBI for free or for pay, in order to get money or thrills. He obviously is someone who makes no great distinction between fantasy and reality. That and his actions make him dangerous to the rest of us and our cause. You anonyms making excuses for him truly are pathetic.
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