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Old November 4th, 2008 #121
Sax N. Jackson
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Hello, this is my first post. I am a racialist, but also a Christian. Are there any traditional Catholics here, or am I some sort of freak, lol?
Well...I'm not religious, I'm not a Catholic, I'm not a Judeo-Christian, but I am a Christian. I believe that races were created separate and should remain so.
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Old November 5th, 2008 #122
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What do you know about Ludendorff?
A lot more than you obviously since you didn't understand the implicit reference.

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The Prussian Ludendorff was a genuine W.W. I hero and a Quartermaster general. (Here's an example of how a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.)
Indeed, but note the word 'quack' and if you know anything of Ludendorff then you should, if you have a 'little knowledge', understand precisely what I am talking about.

If you really need a hint then read his books: that's if you can read early twentieth century German. I drew the parallel because Ludendorff, although a great general, was completely off his rocker in his books (although far less lunatic than some of the things you've said).

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We have religion, other people have myths.
Then you don't understand the Germanic folk or National Socialism at all.

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What was Rosenberg's attitude toward Christianity?
I don't care what Rosenberg's attitude to Christianity was. I well understand what it was and I also know his arguments concerning it are both justified in a sense, but utterly flawed at the same time [as pointed out by a book length Catholic response to him '37 or '39]. One of the big problems with Rosenberg being that he didn't actually understand Nietzsche very well despite authoring numerous sermons, I use that word with good reason, on him and his ideas (he also mispresented Nietzsche quite a lot [the presumption being knowingly, because he'd read the works in question]).

I was talking about Rosenberg's attitude towards the Eddas since while Rosenberg holds no ideological authority in National Socialism. He is recognised as a National Socialist thinker much like de Lagarde and Fritsch were considered altmeisters. However as stated his opinions hold no weight in terms of NS beyond academic discussion: I told you to check your Rosenberg, because you are representing the Eddas as religion, not as mythos. The latter is what they quite literally are the former is what they are not.

Probably the best works on Rosenberg are those authored by Alexander Jacob since they put Rosenberg in his literary and contemporary context.

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I prefer the Eddas and European paganism a thousandfold to the horrid Middle Eastern import.
Well actually the Eddas are mythos and 'European paganism', well more correctly neo-paganism, is an unrealistic fantasy world with which the old Gods would be utterly disgusted. Christianity is a religion but a very powerful mythos as well. Few follow the old Gods anymore [that doesn't make it elite, but rather a form of cult], but every National Socialist I've met/talked to at some length greatly respects them (but doesn't worship them for that would be to profane their memory and the memory of our Germanic ancestors).

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As I said in a different thread, "At least European paganism represented home-grown, indigenous belief systems and not some morally repulsive Middle Eastern import. An import that was force-fed to us for centuries. I'll go further, when I survey the various bloodbaths and the general mayhem that accompanied Europe's conversion, I think that the presence of Christian churches in the western world is the real affront to us and our ancestors."
Yes they may have been 'homegrown', but if they aren't followed in the spirit or in the same manner they were created then they aren't homegrown, because the tradition doesn't flow through the mists of time to its claimed origin. There is also the point that these so-called 'eddas-based' religions, such as Asatru were created in the 1960's and aren't exactly Racialistic [although some small groups claim to be]. Christianity doesn't claim to be racialistic, but it is a powerful community and its adherants, particularly the Catholic Church, are practical men. That is a far more important issue than having fantasies about the old Gods, which would make them vomit I should think (hell most Americans don't even know what real mead is).

As for forcible conversion and conquest. Why does this matter to some one who claims to be worshipper of the old Gods? In Ancient Germanic, Norse and Celtic religion it was understood that battle was the key and if you lost then you had to either die with honour or be victorious. Otherwise you were a coward and unworthy even of contempt.

I've met very few worshippers of the old Gods who fit that latter description. There is also the fact that most people who say they follow the ways of the old Gods use their name in vain to attack those who conquered them. Much like the followers of religions that claim to be following the 'old ways' such as Wicca. Or even worse: the 'Left Hand Path' crowd.

In essence: stop whining about your loss of the war with Charlemagne and acting like a jew saying 'look at all the atrocities they committed against us' (both sides commited atrocities and the Germanic tribes weren't hippies saying 'peace not war'. They did more than their fair share of pillage, rapine and slaughter). Rather pick yourself up and go out there fight for what you believe in: in the Germanic way.

Valhalla was not for those who sat around complaining their ancestors were defeated a thousand years ago, but rather for warriors who never gave up and stayed true to the bitter end.

You might like to read your Ragnor Redbeard again as well.

It also appears to me that you simply hate Christianity rather than honour the old Gods. I am a Catholic yet I probably have more respect for the old Gods than you do: my ancestors followed them, but my later ancestors were also Christians [which they had no problem reconciling with the fact they were rather regal 'barbarians'].

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I feel that I have a genetic, psychic link to Euro paganism and its worldview.
You aren't psychic, if you are take the JREF million dollar challenge, and your genetics are undetermined.

I also don't see how your 'weltanschauung' is related to Germanic tradition and the manner of old Gods. You seem more like a disappointed and angry child to me, but that's just instinct on my part.

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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Your dabbling, babbling and apparent hatred for the folk.

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I didn't claim that National Socialism had a occult basis. I said that many early adherents of NSDAP dabbled in occultism and esoterica. This is well established.There is no reason to believe, however, that this had any influence on Third Reich's policy decisions.
No: it isn't 'well established', its a lot of presumption based on some questionable inferences (the Ostara connexion for example) and some weird assertions that appear to have no evidential basis [the Blavatsky connexion, Der Chef's 'Mandrake' root, the NSDAP having 'Thule Society' roots, the 'Himmler chairs' (which he hated) etc]. The only known relationship of note in that regard Himmler and Wiligut: that can be put down more to Himmler's general style of recruitment into the Ahernerbe and his love of the runes more than anything else.

However you stated as follows:

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What is "substantially"? One finds a lot of themes present in various esoteric groups in Germany and Austria at the end of 19th Century and beginning of 20th Century also present in National Socialist thought.
Link.

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It's well established that National Socialism was influenced by esoteric sects that thrived in Germany and Austria at the turn of the century. Their ideas and symbols filtered through to nationalist-racist groups associated with the infant National Socialist. A good source for the roots of N.S. esoterica is The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and... . (Researched and written by a credible academic and not a supermarket tabloid.) It deals with such issue as the Pan-German vision, the modern German occult revival of 1880-1910; the ariosophists of Vienna - Guido von List, Wotanism and Germanic theosophy, the armanenschaft, the secret heritage, the German millennium, Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels and theozoology, the order of the new templars; ariosophy in Germany - the Germanenorden, Rudolf von Sebottendorff and the Thule society, the holy Runes and the Edda society, Herbert Reichstein and ariosophy, Karl Maria Wiligut - the private magus of Heinrich Himmler, ariosophy and Adolf Hitler. Appendices: genealogy of Lanz von Liebenfels; genealogy of the Sebottendorff family; the history of ariosophy, new templar verse; the modern mythology of Nazi occultism.
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I am a secularist myself with little interests in esoteric matters and I only mentioned that in passing. I don't care.
If you don't care then why did you misrepresent a whole book as Ludo pointed out? You also didn't mention anything in passing, but rather started incoherently posting things about the Waffen-SS, the Tibet expedition and the SS respect for the Japanese.
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