Was Eva Braun Jewish?

[Hans Norling]

Originally Posted by Joe_Smith

The Germans were practical and populist, which the Jews are desperate to hide because it shows the Third Reich acted purely out of self-defense rather than "bigotry". Persons who were 1/4 Jewish were kept under a more watchful eye than those who were not however. This policy paid off, for example Von Manstein was 1/4 Jewish but he was a great man and brilliant general, the Aryan side of him surely overpowered everything else.

That rare instance of Jewish WWI veterans were also pardoned from the Nuremberg laws and some of them were half or more Jewish. It would be hard to convince the nationalist base of the NSDAP that the extreme minority of Jews who showed their loyalty by serving on the frontlines for Germany is an enemy.

Balancing idealism and collective racial interests with practical reality and individual rights is a tricky thing the Nazis sought to achieve. The complexities of a massive country like Germany are not to be taken lightly.

Yes I know, and I wasn't moralising about it. We all know that, regardless of whether these laws were 'ok' or too naive and loose, they are viewed (I think) as more toward the latter by contemporary WN folks et al.

[Karl Radl]

Originally Posted by Hans Norling

Yes I know, and I wasn't moralising about it. We all know that, regardless of whether these laws were 'ok' or too naive and loose, they are viewed (I think) as more toward the latter by contemporary WN folks et al.

Well they were a practical way of defining jewish legally at a time when genetics was in its infancy. They understood the principle of inheritance, but not the mechanisms or the scope of it. Hence their focus on identifying near ancestors as opposed to focusing on which gene equated what in terms of racial groups.

Nuremberg was essentially a first attempt to do so in a modern state using a non-religious methodology and as such it was and is insightful: if rather outdated by modern standards. You can see the same thing in relation to the eugenic laws in that they are a bit crude and occasionally flat out wrong, but that is to be expected as they were backed by science at the time, but science has since moved on significantly due to being a process not a state.

[ivan7]

According to some liars even the same Hitler was jewish descendent.

Say to people that N1b1 is jewish at 100% sure is one of the most ridiculous that I´d read.

[Adolf The Great]

Originally Posted by ivan7

According to some liars even the same Hitler was jewish descendent.

Say to people that N1b1 is jewish at 100% sure is one of the most ridiculous that I´d read.

The idea of Hitler being Jewish, part Jewish or having any sort of Jewish ancestry in his family line has been debunked for years.

The Myth of Adolf Hitler's Jewish ancestry

For years and years people have made up the lie Hitler was part Jewish, there is no evidence for this and it has never been confirmed.

Ian Kershaw dismisses the myth, Frank claimed that he had been called in by Hitler towards the end of 1930 and shown a letter from his nephew William Patrick Hitler (the son of his half-brother Alois, who had been briefly married to an Irish woman) threatening, in connection with the press stories circulating about Hitler's background, to expose the fact that Hitler had Jewish blood flowing in his veins. Allegedly commissioned by Hitler to look into his family history, Frank reportedly discovered that Maria Anna Schicklgruber had given birth to her child while serving as a cook in the home of a Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz. Not only that: Frankenberger senior had reputedly paid regular installments to support the child on behalf of his son, around nineteen years old at the birth, until the child's fourteenth birthday. Letters were allegedly exchanged for years between Maria Anna Schicklgruber and the Frankenbergers. According to Frank, Hitler declared that he knew, from what his father and grandmother had said, that his grandfather was not the Jew from Graz, but because his grandmother and her subsequent husband were so poor they had conned the Jew into believing he was the father and into paying for the boy's support.

Frank's story gained wide circulation in the 1950s. But it simply does not stand up. There was no Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz during the 1830s. In fact, there were no Jews at all in the whole of Styria at the time, since Jews were not permitted in that part of Austria until the 1860s. A family named Frankenreiter did live there, but was not Jewish. There is no evidence that Maria Anna was ever in Graz, let alone was employed by the butcher Leopold Frankenreiter. No correspondence between Maria Anna and a family called Frankenberg or Frankenreiter has ever turned up. The son of Leopold Frankenreiter and alleged father of the baby (according to Frank's story and accepting that he had merely confused names) for whom Frankenreiter was seemingly prepared to pay child support for thirteen years was ten years old at the time of Alois's birth. The Frankenreiter family had moreover hit upon such hard times that payment of any support to Maria Anna Schicklgruber would have been inconceivable. Equally lacking in credibility is Frank's comment that Hitler had learnt from his grandmother that there was no truth in the Graz story: his grandmother had been dead for over forty years at the time of Hitler's birth. And whether in fact Hitler received a blackmail letter from his nephew in 1930 is also doubtful. If such was the case, then Patrick -- who repeatedly made a nuisance of himself by scrounging from his famous uncle -- was lucky to survive the next few years which he spent for the most part in Germany, and to be able to leave the country for good in December 1938. His `revelations', when they came in a Paris journal in August 1939, contained nothing about the Graz story. Nor did a number of different Gestapo inquiries into Hitler's family background in the 1930s and 1940s contain any reference to the alleged Graz background. Indeed they discovered no new skeletons in the cupboard. Hans Frank's memoirs, dictated at a time when he was waiting for the hangman and plainly undergoing a psychological crisis, are full of inaccuracies and have to be used with caution. With regard to the story of Hitler's alleged Jewish grandfather, they are valueless. Hitler's grandfather, whoever he was, was not a Jew from Graz.

The only serious contenders for the paternity of Hitler's father remain, therefore, Johann Georg Hiedler and Johann Nepomuk Hiedler (or Huttler). The official version always declared Johann Georg to be Adolf's grandfather.

The DNA results alleged being Hitler's stating he had E1b1b is also not conclusive evidence either, just because E1b1b1 (a subclade of E1b1b) is more common among Jewish and Africans it doesn't mean anything, E1b1b is 9% still found in Austria (there is more subclades in E1b1b than just E1b1b1 as well). The tests were taken from napkins, these in no way are very credible and were not even scientifically verified.