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All I said is that some form of mutation occurs but very rarely. Until I see proof of Telegony I will have to remain skeptical on the subject. Classical Telegony is obviously wrong since science has proven that long ago with modern understandings of copulation. The only possibility is some form of mutation. That would suggest that the Haploid egg cells are somehow reprogrammed but how? Why Classical Telegony doesn't work: Quote:
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To worry about possibility of telegony being a real phenomenon is ridiculous when the much greater reality of racemixing that alters DNA exists.
Trying to prove telegony is an untenable task in today's society when all so-called experts who could give us a definitive answer have every incentive not to participate in the exploration. What's the point in doing research that might inflame the ire of the jew? It's like wanting to test the soil of the German concentration camps for lethal gas residue. Some things are better left alone if one wishes to keep their job as a paid expert. Also, on the surface of it, the notion of telegony just sounds loony. And that's just another reason for the jew media to point a finger at us and say to the lemmings, "See, those racists really are nuts!" .
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I'll take the 1000 year old advise of livestock breeders rather than the advice of a bunch of modern nerds with microscopes. There has been numerous other sightings of White racemixing women I have read about on these forums who gave birth to a nigger first and then a White kid with a meth head, with the White kid having kinky blonde nigger hair. I have actually even seen one myself in real life. |
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In any case...... Just this past week, I heard a radio news report that a White woman in England gave birth to twins. One White and one black. Could this be telegony? .
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don't prove telegony on non-humans. People in general accept the fact, that superb racing horses need to be of a good bloodline. So why don't we introduce those who interprete common knowledge about the inferiority of mulattos as a denigration to the following story about horses first: Arabians are one of the oldest human-developed breeds in the world. There are different theories about where the wild ancestor of the Arabian originally lived. Most evidence suggests the "proto Arabian" or "Oriental" horse came from the area along the northern edge of the Fertile Crescent. The Arabian prototype was originally tamed by the people of the Arabian peninsula known today as the Bedouin, probably domesticated shortly after the Bedouin learned to use the camel Gladys Brown Edwards, a noted scholar of the Arabian horse, theorized that the Arabian came from a separate subspecies of horse. The desert horse needed to thrive on very little food, and possess anatomical traits to compensate for life in a dry climate with temperature extremes from day to night. Weak individuals were weeded out of the breeding pool, and the animals that remained were honed by centuries of human warfare. In return, the Bedouin way of life depended on horses: Arabians were bred as a warhorse with speed, endurance, soundness, and intelligence. A good disposition was critical; prized war mares were often brought inside family tents to prevent theft and for protection from weather and predators. Though appearance was not necessarily a survival factor, the Bedouin bred for refinement and beauty in their horses as well as for more practical features. For centuries, the Bedouin tracked the ancestry of each horse through an oral history tradition. The first written pedigrees in the middle east that specifically used the term "Arabian" date to 1330 A.D Horses of the purest blood were known as Asil and crossbreeding with non-Asil horses was forbidden. Mares were the most valued, both for riding and breeding, and pedigree families were traced through the female line. The Bedouin did not believe in gelding male horses, thus most stallions were sold to city-dwellers. Over time, the Bedouin developed several sub-types or strains of Arabian horse, each with unique characteristics. Thus, many Arabian horses were not only Asil, of pure blood, but also bred to be pure in strain as well, with crossbreeding between strains discouraged, though not forbidden, by some tribes. Purity of bloodline was very important to the Bedouin, and they also believed in telegony, believing if a mare was ever bred to a stallion of "impure" blood, the mare herself and all future offspring would be "contaminated" by the stallion and hence no longer Asil. This complex web of bloodline and strain was an integral part of Bedouin culture. The Bedouin knew the pedigrees and history of their best war mares in detail, via an oral tradition that also tracked the breeding of their camels and dogs. |
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Well, I'm not saying that it does happen. I would suggest, however, the possibility of transformation in the mtDNA of human ova taking up genetic material from the dead sperm cells, since mammalian mitochondria apparently display natural competence. http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/1/143
I really don't know enough about molecular biology to go into details or to evaluate the proposition, but then neither do most of these people who are just scoffing at the idea of telegony because it is "impossible" according to "modern genetics" i.e. because they read it in the Wikipedia. Last edited by Sándor Petőfi; July 23rd, 2008 at 05:42 AM. |
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Who pays the scientists salaries?
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The genetic or physical argument aside, there definitely is a psychological degradation, and perhaps a faulty predisposition in such people to begin with. The latter being a significant factor in a person's worth even if the former isn't true.
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True! And the only way we got to know about it is through a honest White Man, i.e. Robert Frenz, R.I.P.
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Building in a slightly different direction....... Another way how we can help elucidate and bolster our position against race mixing is to explain how commercial sperm banks operate, specifically the methodology used behind selecting donors and then selling the best donor sperm to their clients. Our position is pretty much laid out right there. .
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What probably happens is that the White looking woman or her White looking mate several generations back had a black in the family tree, which has to all appearances been bred out.
However, every couple of generations the black blood reasserts itself, and a biracial child is born to unsuspecting parents, who may not have even known that one or even both of them had black blood from generations back. http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia.../features11.g2 A woman or man with some black blood from generations back would not feel the repulsion to sleeping with blacks that real Whites feel. It would then be one or both of the partners black blood from generations past that affects subsequent children and makes them partially black, not sperm. However, certainly if a formerly pure White woman had ever been pregnant with a black man's child, the mothers body would have been affected, and thus so would subsequent children. Just because a women has not given birth to a black child doesn't mean she was never made pregnant, and even if she aborted, or had a miscarriage, her blood would still now been affected by the black gene just as much as if she had given birth to a black baby. This is why so many apparent Whites do not feel the urgent need to separate from Blacks that true Whites feel, why they adopt black children, why some become wiggers etc. It's the same with Whites who may appear White, but have some of that Arabian Jewish blood buried deep inside them, which emerges in the form of their language or thought patterns. After getting involved with WN for a while, one usually develops almost a kind of antenna system, like radar, which alerts one to the presence of a coloured. Usually a WN can detect a disguised Jew within seconds of their opening their mouths, simply by their way of speaking, topics they speak about and thought patterns, even though to all appearances they appear White as driven snow. Study the Whites around one very closely, particularly when they are very emotional. Sometimes from a certain angle one can see suddenly glimpse the Jew or black inside them. Especially when they have been drinking,in vino veritas.Often when drinking their behaviour will suddenly change for a few seconds, and like the monster in the first Alien film that popped out the one astronauts chest http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/alien...ursting-scene/ one suddenly sees the black inside the apparent White, straining to get out. It was through stumbling across Robert Frenz and his friend Maguire on FAEM one evening lo those many years ago, that I received my first exposure to WN, which has since saved me and mine many a time. Just a sample of what two good white men can do with a website back when the internet was new: http://www.faem.com/contents.htm http://www.faem.com/academy/ http://www.faem.com/academy/wla06.htm http://www.faem.com/oliver/ His links page was how I and many others first got to know of VNN http://www.faem.com/links/ Robert Frenz died from pneumonia several years ago. He lived as a true and honourable White man, may he RIP. From the movie Gladiator : Maximus: What we do in life echoes in eternity.
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People are in fact working on projects which come close our subject, a new science called epigenetics. In its findings DNA is not destiny. The new science of epigenetics rewrites the rules of disease, heredity, and identity. Our DNA—specifically the 25,000 genes identified by the Human Genome Project—is now widely regarded as the instruction book for the human body. But genes themselves need instructions for what to do, and where and when to do it. A human liver cell contains the same DNA as a brain cell, yet somehow it knows to code only those proteins needed for the functioning of the liver. Those instructions are found not in the letters of the DNA itself but on it, in an array of chemical markers and switches, known collectively as the epigenome, that lie along the length of the double helix. These epigenetic switches and markers in turn help switch on or off the expression of particular genes. Think of the epigenome as a complex software code, capable of inducing the DNA hardware to manufacture an impressive variety of proteins, cell types, and individuals. In recent years, epigenetics researchers have made great strides in understanding the many molecular sequences and patterns that determine which genes can be turned on and off. Their work has made it increasingly clear that for all the popular attention devoted to genome-sequencing projects, the epigenome is just as critical as DNA to the healthy development of organisms, humans included. Jirtle and Waterland's experiment was a benchmark demonstration that the epigenome is sensitive to cues from the environment. More and more, researchers are finding that an extra bit of a vitamin, a brief exposure to a toxin, even an added dose of mothering can tweak the epigenome—and thereby alter the software of our genes—in ways that affect an individual's body and brain for life. The even greater surprise is the recent discovery that epigenetic signals from the environment can be passed on from one generation to the next, sometimes for several generations, without changing a single gene sequence. It's well established, of course, that environmental effects like radiation, which alter the genetic sequences in a sex cell's DNA, can leave a mark on subsequent generations. Likewise, it's known that the environment in a mother's womb can alter the development of a fetus. What's eye-opening is a growing body of evidence suggesting that the epigenetic changes wrought by one's diet, behavior, or surroundings can work their way into the germ line and echo far into the future. Put simply, and as bizarre as it may sound, what you eat or smoke today could affect the health and behavior of your great-grandchildren. All of these discoveries are shaking the modern biological and social certainties about genetics and identity. We commonly accept the notion that through our DNA we are destined to have particular body shapes, personalities, and diseases. Some scholars even contend that the genetic code predetermines intelligence and is the root cause of many social ills, including poverty, crime, and violence. "Gene as fate" has become conventional wisdom. Through the study of epigenetics, that notion at last may be proved outdated. Suddenly, for better or worse, we appear to have a measure of control over our genetic legacy. We are still coming to understand the many ways that epigenetic changes unfold at the biochemical level. One form of epigenetic change physically blocks access to the genes by altering what is called the histone code. The DNA in every cell is tightly wound around proteins known as histones and must be unwound to be transcribed. Alterations to this packaging cause certain genes to be more or less available to the cell's chemical machinery and so determine whether those genes are expressed or silenced. A second, well-understood form of epigenetic signaling, called DNA methylation, involves the addition of a methyl group—a carbon atom plus three hydrogen atoms—to particular bases in the DNA sequence. This interferes with the chemical signals that would put the gene into action and thus effectively silences the gene. Until recently, the pattern of an individual's epigenome was thought to be firmly established during early fetal development. Although that is still seen as a critical period, scientists have lately discovered that the epigenome can change in response to the environment throughout an individual's lifetime. Epigenetics tells us that little things in life can have an effect of great magnitude. To the surprise of scientists, many environmentally induced changes turn out to be heritable. When exposed to predators, Daphnia water fleas grow defensive spines (right). The effect can last for several generations. Until recently, the idea that your environment might change your heredity without changing a gene sequence was scientific heresy. Everyday influences—the weights Dad lifts to make himself muscle-bound, the diet regimen Mom follows to lose pounds—don't produce stronger or slimmer progeny, because those changes don't affect the germ cells involved in making children. Even after the principles of epigenetics came to light, it was believed that methylation marks and other epigenetic changes to a parent's DNA were lost during the process of cell division that generates eggs and sperm and that only the gene sequence remained. In effect, it was thought, germ cells wiped the slate clean for the next generation. That turns out not to be the case. In 1999 biologist Emma Whitelaw, now at the Queensland Institute of Medical Research in Australia, demonstrated that epigenetic marks could be passed from one generation of mammals to the next. (The phenomenon had already been demonstrated in plants and yeast.) Like Jirtle and Waterland in 2003, Whitelaw focused on the agouti gene in mice, but the implications of her experiment span the animal kingdoms. "It changes the way we think about information transfer across generations," Whitelaw says. "The mind-set at the moment is that the information we inherit from our parents is in the form of DNA. Our experiment demonstrates that it's more than just DNA you inherit. In a sense that's obvious, because what we inherit from our parents are chromosomes, and chromosomes are only 50 percent DNA. The other 50 percent is made up of protein molecules, and these proteins carry the epigenetic marks and information." The science of epigenetics opens a window onto the inner workings of many human diseases. It also raises some provocative new questions. Through epigenetic alterations, our genomes retain something like a memory of the environmental signals received during the lifetimes of our parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and perhaps even more distant ancestors. So far, the definitive studies have involved only rodents. But researchers are turning up evidence suggesting that epigenetic inheritance may be at work in humans as well. |
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-------------------- http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...aem-95748.html Robert Frenz and FAEM By Maguire * Our comrade Robert Frenz, the creator of FAEM, died last May of pneumonia. Robert as I knew him had many facets and several careers in his lifetime. He was a husband, father, US Army veteran of World War II, a graduate student in mathematics and science at the University of Chicago. from which institution he held two Masters degrees. He was also a local auto racer in New York State, worked as a US Army civilian employee at Dugway Proving Grounds in Idaho working on chemical weaponry and was employed and later self-employed as a research chemist. In the late 1970s to the early 1990s he worked as a high school science and mathematics teacher. He continued tutoring mathematics both in person and on the internet at Robert Frenz’ Math Asylum until shortly before his death. Robert’s First Career calling and foremost self-image was as ’Teacher’. Robert’s approach to FAEM was primarily as an educational tool. Robert’s ’political life’ began with the Barry Goldwater Presidential campaign in 1964. Shortly afterwards he attended The Freedom Academy in Colorado created by ’Libertarian’ Robert LeFevre. Robert marched with George Lincoln Rockwell in Chicago in 1966. He later personally interviewed with Commander Rockwell for a more formal position with Rockwell’s party. For a short time Robert was also a member of Dr. Pierce’s early National Alliance. Beginning in the later 1970s Robert worked in the Revisionist Movement with Ernst Zundel and with the group of scholars that later developed into the Institute for Historical Review. Robert founded the print edition of FAEM in 1991 and developed it until his mailing list was over 5,000. At the dawn of the internet age Robert terminated the print edition, refunded the subscribers’ remaining balances and converted FAEM to web format. In this incarnation FAEM was, is and remains public domain and copy-right free Robert’s life-long love affair was with the America of his youth. This America was the end stage of the now expired American Republic founded in 1776. An America that was an armed neutral, home to white men, women and children, friend to liberty everywhere but guardian only of its own. He was a Patriot in the original sense of the word and never ceased to mourn her passing. In my opinion he is a superb candidate for the title of The Last American. Robert had no sympathy or love for the Jews’ golem construction that we see today around us in the judaized, negroized and demoralized ’Amerikwa’. He sometimes instinctively reacted against the growing number of New Americans such as myself. He did realize the Old America he loved could make no claim on us since she had died before we were born. FAEM continues marching on. There are now three FAEM oriented sites. The original FAEM at www.faem.com is now back up and features rotating past ad libitum pages on the main page. I encourage anyone interested to download their own full copy and create their own mirror or print and distribute selected parts. Eric Thomson’s new letters and my more occaisional new work appears here at www.dowz.net. Lastly there is another complete FAEM mirror at www.allowed.org . These are not the results of one man. These THREE different sites came about from the combined and selfless efforts of a number of white people working together, WITHOUT CHARGE, in the pro-white cause. I cannot imagine any better memorial to Robert Frenz than this outcome. Ave Robert Imperator! Ave Robert Imperator! Ave Robert Imperator!. ”Maguire” Note: Ave is Latin for ’Hail’. Imperator was a title originally awarded by Roman citizen soldiers of the Republic to one who had led them in battle and was deemed by them worthy to lead Romans.
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Who said that the fact that Telegony exists is to be interpreted as something that is irreversible? Rebirthing is possible under favorable conditions. The problem with this is that people are in general too stubborn (or nationalistic ) to allow it to happen. Last edited by tuisto; August 12th, 2008 at 08:26 PM. |
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View of telegony as of 90 years ago.
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To come back to telegony let me shortly mention Weininger who - not much older than you are right now - committed suicide. In his book "Sex and Charakter" we get to know that: 1. Aryan woman - once impregnated by niggers and having born wiglets - will later have children, even though fathered by Aryan fathers, with wiglet characteristics for the simple reason that the blood of lower races has more perseverance than that of the White race Aryan. 2. Even though Weininger admits the nigger/mongol characteristics in any jew he postulates that the jewish outlook of life and a specific psychological expression which can - like a sickness - infect any Aryan. "The jew in us" is our understanding for something satanic in us and thanks to jews we know what it means to think and act satanically and it is our duty to avoid jewish thinking or behavior. 3. Everyone seriously interested in finding out about what this jewishness really means has to become aware, that jews are serving the principle of feminism as opposed to masculinity, proclaiming the benefits of passivity as opposed to creativity necessarily leading to disfunctionality and finally to destruction of the universal laws of balance. Another (this time non-jew) author is Essner. He said that jews are trying to protect their own blood but try to infect and finally to poison the blood of their hosts. The Aryan race is not able to withstand the primitive strength of the jew/nigger/mongol blood or heal its members, once infected. Every mixed race child is a little jew and therefore has to be avoided. Last edited by tuisto; August 13th, 2008 at 10:55 PM. Reason: clarification |
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