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Hitler's uneconomic ideas were more from his private tastes - he wanted every big city to have a giant opera house and didn't care where the funds came from. None or very few were built, but that was how he thought. It is clear he was never troubled in the slightest by forcing others to pay for his private whims. Quote:
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They're able to do what they do because financial and other powers are consolidated in the national government, just as you advocate. If the feds had hard money and allowed monetary competition, which they do not, none of the thievings and bailouts would be possible. Decentralization of power is always the answer, except for defense. Not only that, it's the only arrangement that fits the nature of White men - they are thinking individuals who can come up with and act on their own plans, without needing authority.
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The average person believes in magic, not evidence and logic. It is the tragedy of the west that Christianity became the dominant religion, since it perverts faith into the service of magic and the supernatural rather than reason and reality. |
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The fact is, material progress that benefits everybody, comes out of the head of a tiny, creative minority, a delicate flower the mass cattle and the demagogues stampeding them are only too likely to trample. |
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Capitalism is not a zero-sum game. A guy invents, say, an air conditioner. Whether he did it for Jesus, Satan, or love of profits he thought he would make from it, we all enjoy the benefits. For, say, $200 a unit, we get the solace of chilled air courtesy of an appliance not one of us ever could have devised. Instead of showing gratitude for the inventor and the market that distributed his wares, the leftist feels only anger that some people have bigger and better air conditioners than, say, the average Eskimo. Last edited by Alex Linder; July 23rd, 2009 at 01:02 PM. |
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"Can you not say that both groups are contributors to our success? Where would the coal mine be without the miner? Where would the skyscraper be without the welder on the 12th floor I-beam?"
>>"Marxism is the name for a set of political and economic ideas. The base of these ideas comes from the works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. They have had a lot of influence in many countries. Very often, both authors are named, as it is difficult to say which of the two wrote what piece of the theory. From Marxist thought, other political views came to be, such as Social Democracy and Reformist Socialism (both believe that the ideas that Marx and Engels portrayed can be achieved through what Marx called 'Bourgeois Democracy.') Many Marxists say that modern "Communism" is not Communism at all. That nations such as the U.S.S.R, The People's Republic of China, Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam etc are different forms of Capitalism, often with heavily "nationalized" industries. One of the biggest proponents of these ideas in Marxist thought was Tony Cliff, who wrote that states like the U.S.S.R and Communist China (before 1980) were "State-Capitalist." Not all Communists, Socialists or Marxists agree on this question, but many hardened Marxists generally agree that Socialism is workers' democratic control over economic decisions and social justice, while production is based on what people need, and that Socialism will wither away into Communism when Capitalism is defeated. With that idea in mind, Marxists have a tendency to discredit most of the listed regimes. Modern Communism claims to be based on Marxist ideas, but many Marxists disagree about whether Communist countries have understood Marxism correctly. [change] The working class and the capitalist class Marxism says that people in the world are organized into different groups or classes based on their relationship to how things are made. Most people are called "workers" because they work in factories or offices or farms for money. They belong to the "working class" (or "proletariat"). Another group, who are not as big as the working class are "capitalists", because they own the factories, land and buildings that the workers have to work in and also own all of the tools the workers have to use. Marx calls Capitalists the "Ruling Class" because they live off of the work of all the workers. He also says that the Capitalists own the government, army and courts. In Marxist views, Capital is the "means of production" and money which the Capitalist can invest in different places of business so that they can "profit" or gain more Capital. Most workers work for companies owned by Capitalists or "Petite-bourgeois" (small business owners). The capitalist pays a wage to the worker in exchange for the worker's time. The capitalist has bought a period of time from the worker which the worker must then use to labor for the Capitalist, which according to marxist economic thinking is the only thing that can create value in a commodity, and then exploits the time of the worker as much as they can. The capitalist amasses capital by paying the worker less wealth than they make for the Capitalist. Marxism says that commodities (products) have different values. One value is called "use-value" which changes from person to person. Use-value is determined by whether something is useful. "Exchange-value" is the value of a commodity when compared to other commodities. For example if 10 nails are traded for 10 boot laces, the exchange value of the nails is 10. Finally, "Labor Value" or Value, is determined by the amount of labor needed to create a product. Value is created by adding work to something. A products Value is determined by the average work needed to create the product for the market. Value can be described as the amount of labor time used to create a commodity. As an example: Peter and Bob and Carl are all shoe makers. It takes Peter half a day to make 20 shoes, and it takes Bob half a day to make 20 shoes and it takes Carl half a day to make 20 shoes. The average labor-time to make the shoes is half a day, and that means each shoe contains half a day's labor value. Peter, Bob and Carl now work for James. James owns a shoe factory that can make 60 shoes in half a day. Between Peter, Bob and Carl, 60 shoes are made. Peter, Bob and Carl are paid only as much as they need to live at socially accepted standards. Peter, Bob and Carl each get 20 dollars a day in wages, however James sells the shoes for 2 dollars each. 120$ is made and James pays the workers (Peter, Bob and Carl) their wages. The remaining wealth is called "Profit" or "Surplus Value." In other words, Peter, Bob and Carl earn enough to provide for themselves within half of their working day. The rest of the day they are creating profit for their boss, James, which is called Surplus Value. It is this Surplus Value, or Profit, which Marxism thinks as an exploitation of labor. This exploitation allows the smaller class (Capitalists) to live without laboring, while the bigger class (Workers) have to work for the Capitalists to survive. Marxism says that Factories, tools and work places cannot create new value on their own. Similar to how a blue berry bush has no value on its own. That value can only be created with the use of labor. For example, someone spends a day picking blue berries. Those blue berries are now able to be traded or eaten because of the invested labor time to pick them. Marxist thinking claims that Capitalists and Workers are in a constant state of struggle, which they call "Materialist Dialectic." Marxism says that in order for Capitalists to generate profit quickly, and to maximise their rate of profit, they have to exploit the workers as much as possible, and lower their wages as much as possible. Workers, on the other hand, have to struggle to keep their wages up, to keep the "rate of exploitation" low, so that they can live more peaceful lives. This is what Marxism calls "Class Struggle" where Workers and their Bosses fight against each other to gain for themselves.(R.R.- There is the zero-sum idea, that the gain on one comes at the expense of the other.) Marxists think that all of written human history has been divided by economic classes. They think that the progression of history has been pushed forward by class struggle. Marxism says that it is from this struggle that Capitalism was born and that it is from this struggle that Communism (or Socialism) will be born. For example: Feudal Society (a society controlled by feudal Lords and Nobles) rested its Ruling Class on the labor of peasants (farmers). But, as peasants demanded more and more for themselves small shopkeepers and tradespeople began to appear. Many of these people appeared in Guilds as well, and eventually began to employ workers to independently accumulate wealth. It was this historical progression that created Capitalists/Capitalism. In the same way, Marxism says that Capitalism will give way to Communism, as the struggle of the workers becomes more and more revolutionary."<< Let me ask a question. What is the standard of living of a floor sweeper during the middle ages? What is the standard of living of a floor sweeper (recently, in the West)? Higher? Why? The "labor theory of value" or "exploitation thesis" is the basic underpinning of socialism. It means that those doing the physical labor create ALL value, and that profit comes from underpaying labor. The wage would fall to the subsistence level. Humanitarian laws would stop this stealing from the worker. This is why unions were allowed to use violence and not be prosecuted. >>Those wanting to combine communism with radical individualism- one side based on force, the other voluntary. What does the force side have to offer? btw It's quite possible to have group activity in a fully free society. Combining the two is called the third way. We've already got it- it'z the 'Kwa!! Just expels the jews and niggers. . . These programs like the great society are continuations of the earlier labor movement. . . |
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I'm talking about unions, not about workers. Of course the guy who does the physical labor deserves respect.
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1) overpaid, with benefits and pensions ridiculously out of line with the private sector; 2) have basically nothing to do since there are few fires 3) are always trying to expand their role into emergency services, putting private ambulance services out of business if possible 4) are always pleading for more money for yet more equipment and bigger, bushier firehouses. It's very easy to believe private arrangements could perform better than public fire departments for a fraction of the cost. |
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"The northern California city of Vallejo is facing a possible bankruptcy given a massive budget shortfall. According to the LA Times, “Police and firefighters account for 80% of Vallejo’s budget, city officials say, due to ballooning overtime bills and lucrative union contracts that have boosted base salaries, benefits and retirement plans.”
More than 10 fire employees earn more than $200,000, and they receive exceptional pensions. In Orange County, the average pay and benefit package for all categories of firefighter is $175K. The unions have ratcheted up the pay to unconscionable levels, and the bill for massive pension benefits will be paid by our grandchildren. This is the result of unionization, shameless politicians who curry favor with unions at the expense of taxpayers and a public that is easily bullied by union activists who always play the hero card." Then, some very apropos blog postings: "You seen the typical security guard? I wouldn't want those guys protecting my parking space, let alone me and my family. Yes, damn those unions! Let's go back to the 80 work week at $3 an hour like before they came along. And while we're at it, lets bring back child labor too." "No problem, here you go. Look at the numbers they tossed around back when they first declared bankruptcy, then look at their own human resources website. The City Council says they pay firefighters $171K a year in salary and benefits; a fire captain $206K a year; a police captain supposedly gets $306K." http://forums.mercurynews.com/topic/...y-and-benefits |
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I guess Brimelow must have a pretty strong union.
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"You have reached the blind alley of the treason you committed when you agreed that you had no right to exist. Once, you believed it was “only a compromise”: you conceded it was evil to live for yourself, but moral to live for the sake of your children. Then you conceded that it was selfish to live for your children, but moral to live for your community. Then you conceded that it was selfish to live for your community, but moral to live for your country. Now, you are letting this greatest of countries be devoured by any scum from any corner of the earth, while you concede that it is selfish to live for your country and that your moral duty is to live for the globe."
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