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Old June 27th, 2009 #21
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I said the market should be constrained racially. That's not worship. I also said it has been demonstrated in very many specific instances that the market works better than government. Again, demonstration is the opposite of worship. Jesus and prayer never solve anything. Government makes everything worse. The market actually works. No faith involved.



The government is remarkably like the jew in that the farther you dig into why something is so #@$^#$^#$^ expensive, you find the cause is some stupid rule or regulation. Every single aspect of 'health care' is regulated out the ass, all of these regulations heap cost where there needn't be any. If you let the man (patient) be a man, and choose who can heal him, and get rid of the various accrediting/safety agencies, boom, the high cost disappears too. And in fact the risk is no greater. It is an illusion that governmen agencies make things safer or guarantee performance. From cars to medicine to defense, the government does the opposite of what is good, honorable and cost-effective. What Whites should realize is...we don't need government. It is as obsolete as a nigger in a cotton field.
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The problem isn't "government". Governement is not intrinsically good or bad. It is what government rewards and what purposes it serves that make it so.

The libertarian solution that you are championing disregards the complexity of medicine which can not (should not) be sold to the people like competing brands of soft drinks. Even professionals in complementary fields like surgery and medical oncology can not agree on treatment decisions in many cases, let alone the general public.

What we need to remember is what medicine was like before the Flexner report and the regulation of medical practice. It was essentially quackery on a large scale. The fast talking, hand-holding, advertisement savvy, warm fuzzy family physician holding a diploma from some online diploma-mill medical school sure to arise in such a deregulated environment will be sure to garner more patients than honest practitioners.

No American would be well-served by the massive deregulation you seem to favor.
 
Old June 28th, 2009 #22
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Good grief, Alex, you are sounding an awful lot like this guy: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html



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Nothing is government's core competency.

There are two major questions facing Whites:

1) how do we defeat the genocidal jews?
How do you intend that we defeat the jews as individuals?

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2) how do we live with ourselves politically after we eradicate the jews?
Without a healthy government’s intervention, how do you intend that we improve and elevate our lives with competing corporations whose bottom line will continue to be profit? How do we do so with competing politicians whose bottom line will continue to be special-interest and self-interest?

Socialism has become just another label to deaden thought and discussion - and that’s exactly how you use it, Alex. The same way the corporate-shill jewsmedia whores like Rush ridicule Global Warming to make it impossible for listeners/readers to “see beneath the surface” for viable Green Tech, pro-Aryan alternatives.

Now why are you doing that?


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Hard-line conservatives with little grasp of economics refer to anything they don’t like – Hillary, national health care, regulation of anything if it might cost them money – as “socialist.” It’s a utility pejorative, devoid of meaning, as “racist” and “elitist” are for political south-paws.
And he means you, Alex, with the little grasp of economics.


The future of White People is in collectivism. Hitler realized this too late. Yockey wrote the definitive spiritual tome on Pan-Aryanism 60 years ago. The raison d’être of WN IS the health care of its people, along with protecting the race from its enemies – including those White predatory judeo-capitalists who have been bleeding us dry in business and medicine for the last 50 years, and would continue to do so even were the jews to be disappeared tomorrow.


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In light of the above realities, it is understandable that many citizens are furious over the state of the U.S. health care system. But how can any adult possibly think that the federal government will help with any of these shortcomings?

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government isn't good at anything
Really now? When it comes to health care, how can our government do any worse?

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/on...RecordID=11623

http://www.globalhealth.org/news/article/204
 
Old June 28th, 2009 #23
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The future of White People is in collectivism. Hitler realized this too late.
Working as a collective to defend our genes and living space will allow free White Men to be innovative and productive individuals.

Very little of our present system, excluding perhaps our military, is worth preserving.

Once a few military leaders (perhaps merely one submarine commander) start seeing things the VNN way . . . then it will get interesting.
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Old July 3rd, 2009 #24
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A question for those wanting socialist medicine:

Suppose there was/is a totally non-state system. No licensing, no union monopolies, no state funding, etcetera. The system seems to be working, and offers itself to be evaluated by a panel of socialists.

The socialists issue a report. There is a range of opinions- the non-state system is evaluated as being anywhere from superb, to adequate. The lowest rank is adequate.

Even though all agree the system is, at minimum, adequate, the socialists still oppose it!

What is the basis of their opposition?
 
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A question for those wanting socialist medicine:

Suppose there was/is a totally non-state system. No licensing, no union monopolies, no state funding, etcetera. The system seems to be working, and offers itself to be evaluated by a panel of socialists.

The socialists issue a report. There is a range of opinions- the non-state system is evaluated as being anywhere from superb, to adequate. The lowest rank is adequate.

Even though all agree the system is, at minimum, adequate, the socialists still oppose it!

What is the basis of their opposition?
Why don’t you first find out who opposes socialism (i.e., a Healthy Aryan people) then you might see through the labels they use to slander viable alternatives: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm
 
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The question was addressed to socialists.
 
Old July 15th, 2009 #27
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OPINION JULY 15, 2009

Universal Health Care Isn't Worth Our Freedom

By THOMAS SZASZ

People who seek the services of auto mechanics want car repair, not "auto care." Similarly, most people who seek the services of medical doctors want body repair, not "health care."

We own our cars, are responsible for the cost of maintaining them, and decide what needs fixing based partly on balancing the seriousness of the problem against the expense of repairing it. Our health-care system rests on the principle that, although we own our bodies, the community or state ought to be responsible for paying the cost of repairing them. This is for the ostensibly noble purpose of redistributing the potentially ruinous expense of the medical care of unfortunate individuals.

But what is health care? The concept of reimbursable health-care service rests on the premise that the medical problem in need of servicing is the result of involuntary, unwanted happenings, not the result of voluntary, goal-directed behavior. Leukemia, lupus, prostate cancer, and many infectious diseases are unwanted happenings. Are we going to count obesity, smoking, depression and schizophrenia as the same kinds of diseases?

Many Americans would willingly pay for insurance to protect them against the exorbitant cost of treating their own leukemia. But how many Americans would willingly pay for insurance to protect them from the expenses of treating their own depression?

Everyone recognizes that the more fully we wish insurance companies to defray our out of pocket expenses for our car repairs, the higher the premium they will charge for the policy. Yet foregoing reimbursement for trivial or unnecessary health-care costs in return for a more suitable health-care policy is an option unavailable under the present system. Everyone with health insurance is compelled to protect himself from risks, such as alcoholism and erectile dysfunction, that he would willingly shoulder in exchange for a lower premium.

The idea that every life is infinitely precious and therefore everyone deserves the same kind of optimal medical care is a fine religious sentiment and moral ideal. As political and economic policy, it is vainglorious delusion. Rich and educated people not only receive better goods and services in all areas of life than do poor and uneducated people, they also tend to take better care of themselves and their possessions, which in turn leads to better health. The first requirement for better health care for all is not equal health care for everyone but educational and economic advancement for everyone.

Our national conversation about curbing the cost of health care is crippled by the vocabulary in which we conduct it. We must stop talking about "health care" as if it were some kind of collective public service, like fire protection, provided equally to everyone who needs it. No government can provide the same high quality body repair services to everyone. Not all doctors are equally good physicians, and not all sick persons are equally good patients.

If we persevere in our quixotic quest for a fetishized medical equality we will sacrifice personal freedom as its price. We will become the voluntary slaves of a "compassionate" government that will provide the same low quality health care to everyone.

Henry David Thoreau famously remarked, "If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life." Thoreau feared a single, unarmed man approaching him with such a passion in his heart. Too many people now embrace the coercive apparatus of the modern state professing the same design.

Dr. Szasz is emeritus professor of psychiatry at Upstate Medical University in Syracuse, New York. He is author of "The Myth of Mental Illness," among other books (HarperCollins, 1961).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124761945269242551.html
 
Old July 15th, 2009 #28
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4 Step health care? '

1. All nonwhites ( jews niggers spics etc leave america or face sterilization & internment)
2. All enablers of the jew and other non whites get a gun and get dropped off in Mogadishu.
3. Bums, drug users and other detritus join those in #2.
4. Everyone that is left gets healthcare and national diet and exercise guidelines for every age are revamped and reinstituted.
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4. Everyone that is left gets healthcare and national diet and exercise guidelines for every age are revamped and reinstituted.
No.

NO GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN HEALTH CARE WHATSOEVER.

We have guidelines now, and they are deliberately wrong. They were devised by vegetarian freaks to get people eating what's least healthy for them - grains, and to avoid what's best for them - meat.
 
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The government also pushed the Big Lie that fat is bad for you.

Government guidelines can't be trusted and aren't needed.
 
Old July 15th, 2009 #31
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Please tell, Alex, how your "no government" solution will prevent Jews from infesting the fuck out of the place and leading us to extermination once again?

Without a strict regime enforcing racial loyalty and purity, whites will just sell out their own existence for a quick buck.

Snivel Rights and Feminism and all that shit was a direct result of White business owners deciding that sub-humans and whiny bitches were "good for the bottom line." Then you see the Jews ousting whites from all the classically "white owned" businesses.

It's inevitable. Until all non-whites are exterminated, your idea of government is hogwash that will never work.
 
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Before about 1910--1930, American medicine was dominated by charlatans. Homeopathic, naturopathic, eclectic,physicomedical as well as the more familiar osteopathic medicine and "folk" medicine competed with modern scientific medicine that is practiced today. Schools were little more than one or two year apprenticeships to doctors in private practice, doctors who were usually not associated with universities and had no scientific training themselves.

Yes, medicine was more inexpensive, and it would become cheap again if you deregulated it so that witch doctors can "practice medicine." But is this what you want for our people? Is this the upward path?

Quacks and shylocks will win out over honest men (including honest doctors) every time. It is in the nature of men to be taken in by the kindly appearing, touchy-feely, advertisement-savvy, fast-talking salesman.

Without government intervention and encouragement, it is fair to say that most of what we recognize as modern medicine would not be available to most people or still be in a relatively primitive state. Organ transplantation and cardiac surgery are particularly prominent areas that have benefited from government funding allowing them to become routine.

It is not really government itself which is "bad", but the uses it is put to. When it rewards honesty, discipline, and hard work and furthering our understanding of ourselves and our ailments it is a good thing, not bad. And when it punishes the dishonest and deceitful who promise quick cures of their aches and pains with "special elixirs" containing nothing more than narcotics and ethanol, it is also good.
 
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Please tell, Alex, how your "no government" solution will prevent Jews from infesting the fuck out of the place and leading us to extermination once again?

Without a strict regime enforcing racial loyalty and purity, whites will just sell out their own existence for a quick buck.

Snivel Rights and Feminism and all that shit was a direct result of White business owners deciding that sub-humans and whiny bitches were "good for the bottom line." Then you see the Jews ousting whites from all the classically "white owned" businesses.

It's inevitable. Until all non-whites are exterminated, your idea of government is hogwash that will never work.
Already answered this 100x, shithead. Respond to what I said or fuck off.
 
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Before about 1910--1930, American medicine was dominated by charlatans. Homeopathic, naturopathic, eclectic,physicomedical as well as the more familiar osteopathic medicine and "folk" medicine competed with modern scientific medicine that is practiced today. Schools were little more than one or two year apprenticeships to doctors in private practice, doctors who were usually not associated with universities and had no scientific training themselves.

Yes, medicine was more inexpensive, and it would become cheap again if you deregulated it so that witch doctors can "practice medicine." But is this what you want for our people? Is this the upward path?
It's the patient's job to determine who's the quack, relying on whatever method he prefers, just as he does with every other decision. Not your friends. The government has stifled medical development through regulation, killing millions of people and causing hundreds of millions to suffer. You have no problem with that, because like all cultists, your god Government can do no wrong.

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Quacks and shylocks will win out over honest men (including honest doctors) every time.
No, they won't. The Internet and private associations are capable of spreading the word on any doc trying to cheat people.

Your solution is to charge the population a high tax to make it "safe." The tax is real. The safety is fake.

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It is in the nature of men to be taken in by the kindly appearing, touchy-feely, advertisement-savvy, fast-talking salesman.
Some idiots are, most people aren't. If they don't like what a doctor does, they can choose another. Or buy drugs themselves after researching on the Internet.

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Without government intervention and encouragement, it is fair to say that most of what we recognize as modern medicine would not be available to most people or still be in a relatively primitive state. Organ transplantation and cardiac surgery are particularly prominent areas that have benefited from government funding allowing them to become routine.
Where did the funding come from? It was taken from people at gunpoint.

Not acceptable.

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It is not really government itself which is "bad", but the uses it is put to. When it rewards honesty, discipline, and hard work and furthering our understanding of ourselves and our ailments it is a good thing, not bad.
Wrong again. Government doesn't do any of those things. It just expands bureaucracies and demands ever higher taxes. You have the typically stupid little-man view of government as your parents, telling you to eat your vegetables. If most white men were like you, our cause wouldn't be worth fighting.

We're not fighting to redo the same old shit. In the coming White state, there will be no government involvement in health care or anything except collective defense.

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And when it punishes the dishonest and deceitful who promise quick cures of their aches and pains with "special elixirs" containing nothing more than narcotics and ethanol, it is also good.
Yeah, so that's what it does when it subsidizes tobacco, eh?

Like every other buhliever, you attribute everything good to your god Government, and everything bad to its absence.

The government has no business being involved with health care, which should be left entirely up to the citizen.

If government exited the field, the prices would drop dramatically. Imagine being a man -- I know you can't, but some still can. Imagine being able to walk into a drug store and buy what you wanted. Without a prescription.

That's the world we want.

Health care is fucked up now because government controls most of it, and it will only get worse if it ever controls all of it. As is demonstrated in the history everywhere socialized medicine has been tried. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

Government health care means only the connected people and the members of favored classes get good care, the rest get whatever is left over. A government full of white-hating niggers and jews will take all the best and leave ordinary whites with the dregs. All you'll really get with government-run health care is a very high new tax and a place on a waiting list, where you can rue your sheeplike stupidity while you suffer. And maybe two days before you die you get in to see an affirmative action female "doctor" like the new surgeon general who gives you five minutes and a boot out the door.

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Complete garbage.
Is that your whole refutation?
 
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Is that your whole refutation?
Nah, I added more. But that's all your absolutely sterotyped-socialist-stupid comments deserve.

Do some research. You're just parroting typical government brainwashing.
 
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Good grief, Alex, you are sounding an awful lot like this guy: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

This thread is about health care. Not about the rest of government. There won't be any non-whites or jews in the coming white nation. So stop bringing that point up. I've written this out 100x, and I'm not repeating it, and the next one who raises non-points is in the tard hopper.
 
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Can you retards grasp we are talking about

the coming white state

no muds/jews involved

how is 'health care' or as szasz points out BODY REPAIR best dealt with.

by whites among whites.

I say it is left to individuals.

It is even worth revolting against the jews if we are simply to reinstall a 50%-of-the-economy monstrosity like we have now in which the Leaning-Tower-of-Pizza's cronies supply "health care."
 
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The future of White People is in collectivism. Hitler realized this too late.
I would shoot you and everyone related to you before I'd ever be coerced into a collective with your kind.
 
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Without a healthy government’s intervention, how do you intend that we improve and elevate our lives with competing corporations whose bottom line will continue to be profit? How do we do so with competing politicians whose bottom line will continue to be special-interest and self-interest?
Waah, waah, corporations, mommy! And they're making profits! By supplying people with things they choose to buy! (Hides behind mommy's skirts.)

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Socialism has become just another label to deaden thought and discussion - and that’s exactly how you use it, Alex. The same way the corporate-shill jewsmedia whores like Rush ridicule Global Warming to make it impossible for listeners/readers to “see beneath the surface” for viable Green Tech, pro-Aryan alternatives.
Green tech IS socialism, and it comes straight from the corporations you deride in typical brain-dead commie way.


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And he means you, Alex, with the little grasp of economics.
Nah, dog, that's you with zero grasp. You've really got the top wisdom out of 1850. Evil Corporations, oooh.

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The future of White People is in collectivism. Hitler realized this too late. Yockey wrote the definitive spiritual tome on Pan-Aryanism 60 years ago. The raison d’être of WN IS the health care of its people, along with protecting the race from its enemies – including those White predatory judeo-capitalists who have been bleeding us dry in business and medicine for the last 50 years, and would continue to do so even were the jews to be disappeared tomorrow.
The White government will not be involved in body repair. That's a private matter. White men are able to make White arrangements.
 
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