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Old December 5th, 2009 #21
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I hope so.

Not for the sake of Turner, who is an opportunistic scumbag, but for what is left of the concept of free speech in the 'Kwa.



A real "Catch 22"
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Old December 12th, 2009 #22
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Brazilian Newspaper Cries "Foul" Over FBI Operative Hal Turner

Sao Paolo, Brazil -- This Sunday, the largest newspaper in Brazil will be running a major front-page story about the continuing U.S. criminal case involving radio host Hal Turner. According to sources with knowledge of the pending story, the Brazilian version of the New York Times will report this week that the United States sent ". . . . an American spy, Hal Turner . . . . to spy on Brazilians."

As reported by "The Record" newspaper of New Jersey two weeks ago, Turner was a highly trained intelligence operative for the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. During a three month investigation, the newspaper revealed it had seen government documents, e-mails, reviewed court records proving that Turner was, in fact, working for the FBI since at least the year 2003, but other government documents reveal Turner was with FBI since 1993.

Among the revelations by the newspaper, Turner was sent overseas by the FBI. One country specifically named in the newspaper was Brazil, where Turner uncovered a plot to ship non-military goods to the Iraqi-resistance who are battling US troops in Iraq.

While some doubted initial media reports that Turner was anything more than a paid informant for the FBI, eyebrows were raised by testimony given by an FBI official during Turner's trial.

Last week during trial in federal court, FBI Supervising Special Agent Amy Pickett, the third highest ranking FBI Official in New York City, took to the witness stand and stunned the courtroom when she testified "Hal Turner dealt with national security; the national security of the United States." She went on to testify that Turner "dealt with things that affected a lot of people" and applauded Turner as being "highly reliable" and an intelligence operative whose information was "very accurate." Pickett testified "When he [Turner] said something was going to happen, it did. . . . . ."

According to sources in Brazil, the Brazilian newspaper expects their story to cause a national scandal in that country because the Brazilian government was not told that the U.S. was sending a "spy" to their country. It is expected that Brazil will file a formal protest with the U.S. State Department, decrying the fact that the US Government sent "a spy" to Brazil to "spy on Brazilian citizens."

This blog will provide a link to the Brazilian newspaper story once it is published.

FAMILY OPINION

The ironic part of this entire affair is that none of this had to come out. If it wasn't for the fact that Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan and William Ridgway in Chicago were so hell bent on prosecuting an opinion as though it were a threat, none of Hal's information would now be a public spectacle.

When Hal was first arrested, he did not divulge his role with FBI publicly. Instead, Hal's attorney, Michael Orozco, disclosed the information privately to Assistant US Attorney Judson Willsy at Turner's first Bail Hearing in Newark NJ the day after the arrest. Willsy seemed aghast at the notion that Hal could ever have been with the FBI and told Orozco "That's bullshit; Hal Turner has no credibility."

Denied bail, Hal still remained totally silent about his role with FBI, figuring it would take the government time to figure things out and that all would be fixed by the time Hal was extradited to Chicago. He stayed quiet, in jail, for 30 days.

Stunningly, when Hal got to Chicago on July 28. . . . . . more than thirty days after his arrest. . . . . Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan persisted in the lie that Hal was dangerous to the community.

Hogan demanded that Hal be remanded without bail even though by that time, records prove that Hogan knew that Hal had been with the FBI for years.

Apparently Hogan perpetuated the lie that Hal was dangerous because Hogan is incapable of admitting he made a terrible mistake bringing this case!

Now that the case against Hal has resulted in a mistrial, with a jury deadlocked 9 not guilty to 3 guilty, even more details of Hal Turner's intelligence operations for the FBI are likely to come out. As we will soon see with Brazil, the scandals and fallout from such revelations will have an effect on the US Government.

We, Hal's family can tell you, there is a lot that will come out. It wasn't just Brazil where Hal had overseas dealings. In fact, Hal had dealings with officials from Great Britain, the British National Party and even members of the European Parliament -- all as part of his role with the FBI.

In addition, Hal performed work for an agent - who will be publicly named - from the Central Intelligence Agency; and was tasked by CIA to do something that would ultimately affect the outcome of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon 19 months later!

Yes, things are going to get pretty dicey when Hal's trial starts anew on March 1 in Brooklyn. Just remember that none of this had to come out if it wasn't for the U.S. Attorneys office in Chicago who are misrepresenting an opinion as a threat and who are too arrogant to admit they made a mistake or to let go.
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To impress his Fed handlers and keep the money rolling in, what Hal did was SERIOUSLY embellish his and other's stories.

For instance, he said he went to Foz do Iguaçu where the Lebanese Christians have a strong presence, as well as the CIA. He also said he was SENT there by the FBI. In fact he was invited at an Elmwood Park meeting since he was the only one in the room to raise his hand when the invitation was made back in late 2004. Some 30 attendees can attest to that fact.

Foz is a 3 town wide flea market with armed militia patrolling to protect the "purchasers". Any sort of contraband, weaponry and illegal goods can be bought there and the CIA presence is because large sums of cash are transferred there to bin Laden types. Hal in fact NEVER went there, but it certainly impressed his handlers.

He said there was $1,000,000 American to be given to White Nationalists in the USA and that the donation was cancelled because he was not accompanied by a White Supremacist. In fact, he was accompanied by Tripp Henderssen from NJ. Tripp, who has several homes there, and put together a group at the request of Dr. William Pierce in 2000. What the matter was about is, on April 20th of each year we hold a full regalia parade down the street where Martin Drewes lives.

In 2004 we wanted to donate at the parade R$1.000.000,00 BRASILIAN DOLLARS, which at the time was approximately $400,000 American, to the National Alliance. Erich Gliebe, for personal reasons, declined to go. Numerous others were invited. No one accepted.

Since no one wanted the money badly enough to make the voyage, Tripp kept the money and bought his daughter a home. None of this had anything to do with Turner and the matter was settled 10 months before Turner ever heard of Brasil.

Now, let's look at the damage done by scumbag, faggot, drug addict Turner, some of which came out in FBI testimony at his trial and some of which came out in news briefs posted by his attorneys as damage control for Hal:

-Approximately 30 White Nationalists arrested since 2002.
-One still in jail in Oregon.
-He ratted out Ron Edwards of the IKA for something he was allegedly planning to accomplish. He also told them how the IKA was trying to protect their property from the SPLC lawsuit. For God's Sake, he broke bread with Ron!!
-He caused the Fed raid on Tripp's home in July, 2007.
-He initiated a two year joint FBI/Policia Federal investigation of White Nationalists in Brasil and of the Sociedade Ārabe Brasileira there, our Christian brothers in arms against Israel.
-He ratted out Pastor Jay Faber and others for something.

For sure there is much more, as Hal became the most virulent Nationalist on the scene and garnered much trust. In 2007 his informant connection began to unravel when antifas and channers hacked his email account, exposing his letters written to his FBI handlers.

Hal has seriously jeopardized the sanctuary of his wife and son. Word on the street is that two Turkish Brasileiros were up in Jersey about 3 weeks ago regarding Hal. There may not be one American with the balls to kill him, but the Arabs, well, that's another story. They are deadly and violent.

Nuff said, for now.
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If Halvin isn't writing those 'family of Halvin Turdner' press releases, I'm a negro's uncle.

In the times I've taken part in public activism, I've felt like there was a target painted on my back.... I wonder how it must feel for Halvin (and his family) to have one on there 24x7?
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"I was not some street snitch," insists Turner. "I was a deep undercover intelligence operative." He demands recognition of that distinction with the same desperate desire for dignity displayed by any other whore who seeks to upgrade his or her job description with a more refined title.
Pretty well sums it up.
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quoted from Grigg article...

"The audience loves the rip-roaring radio psycho," Turner boasted in an e-mail to the FBI. "They literally throw money at it. Just be confident that the personality you hear (or hear about) on radio is not real life. I have zero intention of doing anything stupid."

The Roman Emperors staged a much more entertaining circus than our squeaky clean FBI frat boys. The rubes of the day got to watch lions ripping limbs off Christians and tigers pouncing on hapless Negroes. Here, in the land of ever diminishing expectations, we're stuck with a sad imitation of a second rate dog and pony show. This is the best show they can put onstage with our billions of tax dollars?
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I warned people about Hal as soon as I heard him advocating violence. I tried to get Jimmy Leshkevic to avoid him, and Jimmy acknowledged privately that Hal was a loose cannon, but Hal was "Johnny on the Spot," when Jimmy wanted to have his rally at Kingston.

I also warned people to stay away from Bill White, though I don't think Bill White is a fed, just insane.

I think Bill White might be an MK-Ultra victim, and I'm not joking. He was in a mental hospital as a youth, and he lived in Virginia, the same state as Langley CIA HQ. Who knows?
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Last week during trial in federal court, FBI Supervising Special Agent Amy Pickett, the third highest ranking FBI Official in New York City, took to the witness stand and stunned the courtroom when she testified "Hal Turner dealt with national security; the national security of the United States."
My initial reaction was, holy shit.
Well, now consider the source. WTF!? I thought he was not allowed to post on the Internet.
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[This is from some blog i'm unfamiliar with. If anyone can locate and translate the original article, please post.]

FSP: FBI Sent Bait for Hate to Haití Não É Aqui

Posted on December 13, 2009 by Colin Brayton


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The Bergen Record newspaper in New Jersey reviewed Mr. Turner’s court documents and found the FBI had admonished Mr. Turner in July 2007 for his rhetoric and “the potential of it inciting acts of violence” but continued to use him. The FBI also paid Mr. Turner to meet with a wealthy, white supremacist in Brazil.

An item today from the Sunday Folha de S. Paulo tends to reinforce the deep prejudice of every New Yorker: that New Jersey is a mobbed-up banana republic — run out of the Bing of Tony Soprano and Co. –where we are frightened to set foot. (I have ridden PATH exactly twice in 13 years.)

The item also reflects on the quality of journalism at the often-ridiculed FSP.

The local fishwrap presents information that is readily available in the public domain as <based on secret sources>.

Eu, hein? (Roughly, <pull the other one.>

This story was broken by 419 news sources (Google News results) on November 30, 2009. Two weeks ago.

And the FSP is regurgitating it as a red-hot scoop involving investigative reporting of the most romantic kind.

Eu, hein? (Roughly, <there is one born every minute>.

O FBI, a polícia federal norte-americana, ajudou a bancar a ida ao Brasil de um radialista e blogueiro radical de extrema direita de Nova Jersey como isca para atrair e identificar grupos extremistas brasileiros contrários aos Estados Unidos, de acordo com pessoas que tiveram acesso a documentos do governo norte-americano.

The FBI … helped bankroll a visit to Brazil of a white-supremacist radio personality and blogger from New Jersey as bait designed to attract and identify Brazilian extremist groups who oppose the U.S., according to persons who had access to U.S. government documents.

According to the dozens of other journalists — I can make a list of their bylines if you like — who covered the trial of this FBI informant code-named <Valhalla> and requested copies from the court clerk. (I bet you can even download them from the Internet for a minimal fee to cover court expenses.)

Harold “Hal” Turner, 47, viajou a Curitiba, no Paraná, em 2005, onde se apresentou como líder da National Alliance, um dos maiores grupos de supremacistas brancos dos EUA. Ali, se encontrou com um simpatizante brasileiro, com quem teria discutido doação de US$ 1 milhão à causa americana, e com um representante da Sociedade Árabe Brasileira.

Hal Turner, 47, traveled to Curitiba, Paraná, in 2005, where he represented himself as leader of the National Alliance, one of the largest white-supremacist groups in the U.S. There, he met with a Brazilian sympathizer, with whom he allegedly discussed a US1$ million donation to the cause, as well as a representative of the Brazilian-Arab Society.

There are Syrio-Lebanese restaurants in this town to absolutely die for.

Former mayor Paulo (rouba mas faz!) Maluf is a dual Brazilian-Lebanese citizen.

And so on. I am always amused by those who wonder why Brazil thinks it has a stake in the Middle East peace process. It has huge Jewish and Arab populations. The first synagogue in the New World was built here.

De acordo com tais documentos, Turner e o representante árabe discutiram um plano para mandar US$ 10 milhões em ajuda não militar para membros da resistência iraquiana anti-EUA.

According to said documents, Turner and the Arab representative discussed a plan to send US$10 million in military aid to members of the Iraq anti-U.S. resistance.

Segundo relatou à Folha uma fonte familiarizada com o caso, o representante teria dito a Turner que ajudaria a “fazer qualquer coisa que possa sabotar os EUA”.

As a source familiar with the case told the Folha, the Arab representative supposedly told Turner he would help to <do anything that might undermine the U.S.>

<As an anonymous source said … supposedly>. Two locutions that do not belong in the same sentence in worthwhile reporting. It seems to imply you ran the factoid without factoid-checking it with other sources.

Also, this was in the testimony given in open court.

Transcripts freely available.

A reportagem apurou que o representante a que se referem os documentos é o sírio naturalizado brasileiro Mouthi Ibrahim, presidente da Sociedade Árabe Brasileira.

The Folha discovered that the representative referred to in the documents was naturalized Brazilian citizen of Syrian origin Mouthi Ibrahim, president of the SAB.

Procurado pelo jornal em Curitiba, ele confirma o encontro, mas contesta veementemente seu teor. De acordo com Ibrahim, Turner lhe disse apenas que queria estabelecer uma filial da National Alliance no Brasil e que buscava o apoio da comunidade árabe local. O brasileiro disse não ter concordado com ele porque as ideias do norte-americano eram muito racistas.

Sought for comment by the Folha in Curitiba, he confirms the meeting but vehemently denies the reports of its content. According to Ibrahim, Turner said merely that he wanted to establish a branch of the National Alliance in Brazil and was looking for support from the local Arab community. The Brazilian said he did not agree with the ideas of the American because they were highly racist.

The hush-hush nature of the sourcing in this report in unbearably stupid and unnecessary, by the way.

Why? Because these facts were testified to in open court a week or so ago and reported widely in the local, regional and national press.

Hatewatch, for example (of the Southern Poverty Law Center), on December 2, 2009:

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — With the FBI paying for his plane ticket, white supremacist Hal Turner flew to Brazil on behalf of the National Alliance because a Brazilian had offered to donate money to the neo-Nazi group, a government witness testified today.

As the government began presenting its case during the second day of Turner’s trial, testimony from several FBI agents provided a glimpse into Turner’s former role as a confidential informant known as “Valhalla.” The blogger and Internet radio host is charged with threatening to assault and murder three federal judges in Chicago.

Motivated partly by money, Turner provided intelligence on leaders of prominent white supremacist groups, including the National Alliance and Aryan Nations, according to Special Agent Amy Pickett, who supervised the FBI agent handling Turner during Turner’s first two years as an informant. In one instance, his reports led to the arrest and conviction of an Aryan Nations leader, she said. “His information was always valid and true; he gave very good information,” Pickett said. She did not elaborate on Turner’s excursion to Brazil in early 2005. But according to FBI documents filed in federal court, the trip allowed Turner to identify 12 people of interest to the FBI, including an Arab who talked about doing business with Turner in order to provide supplies to Iraqi insurgents.

Pickett testified that Turner was instructed — both on his first day as an informant and yearly thereafter — that he would not receive immunity from investigation, arrest or prosecution. Turner was not authorized to take part in criminal activity and was warned against doing so, she said. Striking at the heart of the defense’s argument, she said the FBI never asked Turner to engage in violent rhetoric against public officials.

Despite his purported value as an informant, Turner had an on-again, off-again relationship with the FBI. After the February 2005 murder of federal judge Joan Lefkow’s mother and husband at the judge’s home in Chicago, Turner took credit for inciting someone to kill her family and suggested that three other judges could be next. (As it turned out, the slayings were not connected to white supremacy.) When his handler asked Turner to remove a request for the home information of the three judges from his blog, Turner wrote a letter of resignation to the FBI, saying the bureau was using its relationship with him to meddle with his website. His handlers ceased contact with him, but they were sure he’d be back. “We didn’t think he could go that long without being an informant for the FBI,” said Pickett. Sure enough, Turner contacted the bureau and resumed serving as an informant in May 2005.

Turner was also admonished after he linked his blog to the home address of the primary witness at the trial of neo-Nazi leader Matt Hale, who was accused of soliciting the murder of Lefkow during a copyright trial involving his group, the World Church of the Creator. The day of Hale’s 2004 conviction, rival white supremacist Bill White posted what he thought was the home address of Tony Evola, who had served as a confidential informant in the Hale case and subsequently testified as the key witness at Hale’s trial, according to testimony from FBI special agent Sara Lopez. Turner removed the link from his blog at the urging of his FBI handler. (White, who after these events went on to join the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, and later to start his own American National Socialist Workers Party, is to be tried next week on charges of making threats over the Internet in a case that is remarkably similar to Turner’s.)

Turner was cooperative when agents came to his home on June 24 to execute a search warrant — his wife even made coffee that she offered the visitors — and sat down at his dining room table to talk about the posts he’d made earlier that month saying the judges “deserve to be killed.” “He said he intended no harm to anyone,” FBI Special Agent Mark Wallschlaeger testified. “He said he understood he’d be culpable if anyone hurt the judges based on his blog.”

As prosecutors worked to show that the government did not sanction Turner’s hateful posts, a New Jersey mayor was demanding that the FBI reimburse his city $80,000 to cover the cost of police overtime and other expenses associated with Turner’s November 2005 rally in Kingston, N.Y. Mayor James Sottile told The Daily Freeman that he decided to make the request after reading that Turner was serving as an FBI informant when the rally took place. “I think the FBI needs to be held accountable,” Sottile said. The FBI said it had not yet received the request.

The government will continue presenting evidence tomorrow.

A mistrial was declared in the prosecution of Turner on December 7, 2009.

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comments on Griggs's piece on Hal Turner

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Did anyone listen to the Hal Turner show, where the old grandmother (I think 'grandmother elizabeth' was her name) called in, and would say she just sent her entire disability check to Hal? Man, what a shithead Hal was.. I guess he didn't feel any guilt when he took that to the bank
That could have also been a shill caller, someone not really handing over their whole check but simply shaming others into handing over their money.

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Hal was basically laughing up his sleeve at the idiots who took him seriously. He lied about his hosting costs. He abused his listeners for sending him hardly any money when in fact they were sending him large amounts. And the whole time he was drawing big checks from the FBI. Now he's kicking back with one of his fat cigars, big-smirking at a world full of fools.
 
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Hal was basically laughing up his sleeve at the idiots who took him seriously. He lied about his hosting costs. He abused his listeners for sending him hardly any money when in fact they were sending him large amounts. And the whole time he was drawing big checks from the FBI. Now he's kicking back with one of his fat cigars, big-smirking at a world full of fools.
I suspect he's spending (or spent) that money on his legal defense. Who's going to hire him after the legal drama is over? Assuming he's not incarcerated.

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I don't think Turner was being honest when he said that none of the racial attitudes expressed were his. He was working for the FBI from either 2003 or 2002 at the earliest. He had already been doing his solo radio show for a couple of years before the FBI hired him.

Evidently he did intensify his rhetoric at their urging.
 
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Was Turner Jewish BTW? He did not seem like he was Aryan like he mentioned time and time again? He look southern European to me.
 
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Was Turner Jewish BTW? He did not seem like he was Aryan like he mentioned time and time again? He look southern European to me.
I don't think he's a Jew. I believe he's an Italian Catholic. He was a big fan of my historical revisionist calls to The Right Perspective in the late 90s.
 
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Hal was basically laughing up his sleeve at the idiots who took him seriously. He lied about his hosting costs. He abused his listeners for sending him hardly any money when in fact they were sending him large amounts. And the whole time he was drawing big checks from the FBI. Now he's kicking back with one of his fat cigars, big-smirking at a world full of fools.
Sometime before 2003, somebody pointed out to me that Hal Turner's number of online listeners was displayed on his Shoutcast page, and the number displayed there even during Turner's own show was usually less than 250 and never as high as 400. (I mentioned this to Shaun Walker, who was spending National Alliance money to buy time for his and David Pringle's NA Live from Turner, but he didn't believe it.) Meanwhile Turner was charging people for time on "the Turner Broadcasting Network" based on the claim that tens of thousands were listening.

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Sometime before 2003, somebody pointed out to me that Hal Turner's number of online listeners was displayed on his Shoutcast page, and the number displayed there even during Turner's own show was usually less than 250 and never as high as 400. (I mentioned this to Shaun Walker, who was spending National Alliance money to buy time for his and David Pringle's NA Live from Turner, but he didn't believe it.) Meanwhile Turner was charging people for time on "the Turner Broadcasting Network" based on the claim that tens of thousands were listening.
I don't know what his numbers actually are, but I wouldn't believe anything he said without verifying it. These servers will not allow massive numbers of simultaneous listeners unless you're paying a lot of money. The way the pros generally do it is through podcast downloads. Numbers of downloads far outweigh numbers of live listeners.
 
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I suspect he's spending (or spent) that money on his legal defense. Who's going to hire him after the legal drama is over? Assuming he's not incarcerated.
I predict he writes a book about his "adventures" and that he'll make the rounds of Oprah, Maury and Jerry within 1 year of being set free.
 
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I predict he writes a book about his "adventures" and that he'll make the rounds of Oprah, Maury and Jerry within 1 year of being set free.
I was predicting that about Bill White several years ago: How I was able to walk in and take over the White Nationalist movement.
 
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