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Old June 1st, 2007 #81
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Saint Petersburg was built by forced Russian serf labor, in GULAG conditions, to the orders of European engineers and architects, for the 2nd estate, copying fashionable Euro cities. Being a more communal people Russians take more pride in national achievements such as big churches or space missions, than family houses etc.

During the time of building of the concrete apartment blocks, fuel was very cheap. However you will be pleased to know that they are being phased out and new buildings are built to super-efficient regulations.

I think that the article that you read was childish propaganda. The U.S.A. has more Egalitarian laws knocking down successful people than Russia has, and Chinese do not have a Protestant work ethic. America is not a nation and finds it hard to understand what it is like for people in a nation. One people, one country, one spirit, one culture - not 'my home is my castle, I have my gun, fuck you don't tread on me', a breakaway colony of different streams on anti-social people.
 
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West as well as East-Germany after 1945 faced a serious housing problem.

1) Millions of Germans from the parts of Europe today under the occupation of eastern-European nations had flood in east- as well as west-Germany.

2)Many cities were bombed to rubble.

Having a shelter over your head is one of the fundamental human needs and a solution to the problem had to be found quick. Mass and cheap housing was the only logical solution and the right thing to do. Aesthetics and other noble but only secondary things logically didnt play a big role in that.
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I'm enjoying this discussion. Informative, yet mostly civil so far. Good, let's keep it this way.
JP, your theories are pretty good. Straight out of the University coffee houses.
Sounds nice on paper.
Ok, back to reality: does it bother you that the world and most Russians have moved on? I mean, it's almost quaint, 60's style.
The many Eastern Europeans and Russians that have moved to the US/EU WANT material goods. All things considered, I think Russia is doing well for itself. The real major mistake they made was Yeltsin and his crew selling off Russian resources to jews during the 90s'. Big mistake. What a waste!

Besides the Red Mafia, Russia is doing damn well right now. There sphere of influence will always be there as it has been for centuries.
I still view Russia as part of 'the West' in a mostly racial/cultural way. The Russians I know here are good people. Much more intelligent then the average 'kwan. They are European...Soviet superpowerdom help them evolve from serf peasent mentality to a more European/Global minded people.
I like Russia.
If the JewSA was not controlled by jews and zionists, I bet we'd be working much closer together to be allies.
Since China and India will be new powers, USA would be wise to ferment closer ties with Russia.
ALl those resources will keep Russia powerful for years.
Alas, nice on paper again. Too bad America is controlled by fuckin jews.

let's continue this thread. I'm enjoying many of your comments.
 
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I'm enjoying this discussion. Informative, yet mostly civil so far. Good, let's keep it this way.
JP, your theories are pretty good. Straight out of the University coffee houses.
Sounds nice on paper.
That's really interesting because I've never been to university, nor do I hang out at coffee houses.

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Ok, back to reality: does it bother you that the world and most Russians have moved on? I mean, it's almost quaint, 60's style.
Oh I see, politics is about fashion. Well in that case you guys should have given up the white power Nazi thing a LONG time ago.


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The many Eastern Europeans and Russians that have moved to the US/EU WANT material goods. All things considered, I think Russia is doing well for itself. The real major mistake they made was Yeltsin and his crew selling off Russian resources to jews during the 90s'. Big mistake. What a waste!
No, Russia is not doing well. But I understand that WNs on forums know more than people who live here so that's fine I guess.

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Besides the Red Mafia, Russia is doing damn well right now. There sphere of influence will always be there as it has been for centuries.
I still view Russia as part of 'the West' in a mostly racial/cultural way. The Russians I know here are good people. Much more intelligent then the average 'kwan. They are European...Soviet superpowerdom help them evolve from serf peasent mentality to a more European/Global minded people.
I like Russia.
If the JewSA was not controlled by jews and zionists, I bet we'd be working much closer together to be allies.
Since China and India will be new powers, USA would be wise to ferment closer ties with Russia.
ALl those resources will keep Russia powerful for years.
Alas, nice on paper again. Too bad America is controlled by fuckin jews.

let's continue this thread. I'm enjoying many of your comments.
Russia is trying to be a superpower but it will ultimately fail because of the internal contradictions in Russian society.
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Communism is bad because:

1. The architecture depresses people.
OH DEAR!!!

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2. Communism killed lots of Whites in Russia and Ukraine
Nazism and Fascism killed more.

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3. Jew worship. Lenin was a jew and everywhere you turned in soviet Russia you saw picture of his Chertoff-esque facade. Just like in America where every media you watch or listen or read will display nigs.
To call Lenin a Joo is ridiculous, and by that standard many Nazi officials would be Jooz.

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4. Lack of freedom of movement. In communism you can't go where you want to go. Maybe they force you to stay in a certain number of kilometres radius.
You know that "freedom of movement" caused a lot of the desegregation problems you people always bitch about right?


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[QUOTE=vincere;547666]RESPONSE to russia's birth rates and standard of living during Communism.

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Incrrect. By the time Krushchev came to power, Russia was no longer Communist as he himself would say that.
On the contrary, Khruschev claimed his reforms were a "return to Leninism" and that the Soviet Union would reach Communism in roughly 10 years. He did this as he was essentially restoring capitalism.

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Stalin even having realized the fallacy of communism decided in his speeches to bring about the greatness of the white Russians calling forth heroes of the past.
I don't know why you think that Stalin violated Marxist-Leninist norms in that manner. First of all, the emphasis on the Slavic groups during the war was based mostly on the fact that nearly all territory invaded was Ukrainian, Belorussian, and Muscovite. Second, Lenin and Stalin had worked out the national question in the Russian empire prior to the Revolution and there is nothing in their theory that violates Marxist theory.

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Segregated Units in their military shows it self in the belief that russia was not communist.
I don't know where you are getting this idea about segregated units. If you look at plenty of Soviet and post-Soviet films, rosters of units, accounts of battles, etc. you will see that units were indeed mixed. However, due to geography many units were roughly homogenous. When the USSR was invaded, many of the people from the invaded territories volunteered. Naturally this meant that a large part of the army was Ukrainian and Belorussian.

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You stated that women were not being exploited in the Soviet Union. That is incorrect they were being sold to Isreal even at that time and other parts of Europe. Italy for one had Russian prostitutes, and Turkey had a whole slew of them.
Proof? I would not be surprised to find this happening in the late, late Soviet era- but that Soviet state could hardly be called socialist.

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as for it being worse now well, when a nation falls in historical years, it cannot pick it self back up in a decade. it takes time, and it is going into the right direction.
No it isn't- it is heading for a conflict with the west, which it cannot win because Russian society treats its soldiers like shit. And they happen to be the most unfortunate males in Russian society(those who have no hope of doing anything else).
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On the contrary, Khruschev claimed his reforms were a "return to Leninism" and that the Soviet Union would reach Communism in roughly 10 years. He did this as he was essentially restoring capitalism.

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I don't know why you think that Stalin violated Marxist-Leninist norms in that manner. First of all, the emphasis on the Slavic groups during the war was based mostly on the fact that nearly all territory invaded was Ukrainian, Belorussian, and Muscovite. Second, Lenin and Stalin had worked out the national question in the Russian empire prior to the Revolution and there is nothing in their theory that violates Marxist theory.

marxian theory views history as a struggle for classes when laws are passed that a. races are equal, anti semitism is a punishable offense. then singling out certain groups to do your dirty work is very different and yes even though most were slavs, that still is contradictory to communistic theory.



I don't know where you are getting this idea about segregated units. If you look at plenty of Soviet and post-Soviet films, rosters of units, accounts of battles, etc. you will see that units were indeed mixed. However, due to geography many units were roughly homogenous. When the USSR was invaded, many of the people from the invaded territories volunteered. Naturally this meant that a large part of the army was Ukrainian and Belorussian. OH yes there was.

Proof? I would not be surprised to find this happening in the late, late Soviet era- but that Soviet state could hardly be called socialist.

proof? umm my grandfather, me there in 1986



No it isn't- it is heading for a conflict with the west, which it cannot win because Russian society treats its soldiers like shit. And they happen to be the most unfortunate males in Russian society(those who have no hope of doing anything else).
marxian theory views history as a struggle for classses when laws are passed that a. races are equal, anti semitism is a punishable offense than singling out certain groups to do your dirty work is very different.


proof of russian prostitutes my grandfather, me in turkey in 1986.

FBI international crime reports..

Russiam military were segregated and decreed as such. Marines in the united States were taught this and most of russia's special forces were as such. I might not spell this right but the Russian paratrooper division ILLuyshin was one of the best known.


yes it is, listen the united states military is very weak. just like you claim we dont know about russia well then you do not know about the US.

well the soldiers in the united states are in the same predicament, most are there for us citizenship, others for free education, and welfare
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response to nazism and fascism killed more!

what? not even close hitler and moussolini did not even kill half the amount that mao and stalin (not even lenin did) even if you believe in the holocaust.

and yes lenin was jewish.
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response to russia being a superpower.

Russia IS a superpower.
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"On the contrary, Khruschev claimed his reforms were a "return to Leninism" and that the Soviet Union would reach Communism in roughly 10 years. He did this as he was essentially restoring capitalism."



thus i am right in saying that krushev states that russia was not communist. he predicted it would become so, but that never happened.
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Once a communist begins calling forth hereos of the pas and begins towing a nationalistic feeling then, all bets are off. Communism (the idea ) dies.

This is the break between communism and Fascism. Giovanni Gentile and Mussolini were Marxists before Fascists. They're break began when their feelings for Italy as number one on the scene became more and more prevalent. National socialism, fascism, and communism can be seen as such through a socialistic spectrum. The state and her agenda is slight in difference.

National socialism views the state as progress for the people as a race and nation. Fascism views it as a people and nation there lies the difference between the two. It is not only nation but race. Communism disavows Nation and race. It does not view history as having grand heroes, but exploitative people.

So viewing history in Aristotelian terms or cartesian (because descartes just took Aristotle essentially in placed his methods into philosophy), one must retrace roots of a nation. Why and how did one become as such?


AS SOON AS ANY SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY begins to take nationalistic feelings, it becomes FASCIST (not completely since there are few minor details). Communism takes that all away. That is wherin Marx and the rest of his Jewish cohorts come in and view the middle class ergo whites as a whole race that needed to be dealt with.
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marxian theory views history as a struggle for classses when laws are passed that a. races are equal, anti semitism is a punishable offense than singling out certain groups to do your dirty work is very different.
First of all, liberal democracy going back to the time of the revolution stated that people are to treated equally under the law. Marxism brought nothing new in this regard.

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proof of russian prostitutes my grandfather, me in turkey in 1986.

FBI international crime reports..
Sorry but that is anecdotal. It doesn't surprise me though, seeing as how degenerate the USSR had become at that time- but most of those people probably escaped and entered those countries illegally.

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Russiam military were segregated and decreed as such. Marines in the united States were taught this and most of russia's special forces were as such. I might not spell this right but the Russian paratrooper division ILLuyshin was one of the best known.
So you read that outdated article in Attack! Well there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Units might appear that way because some republics have a more homogenous population. For example, Kazakhstan has a large Slavic population, while a place like Uzbekistan didn't.

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yes it is, listen the united states military is very weak. just like you claim we dont know about russia well then you do not know about the US.
Not only was I born and raised most of my life in the US, I was in the US army. They are weak in some ways, but the Russian military is far weaker.
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thus i am right in saying that krushev states that russia was not communist. he predicted it would become so, but that never happened.
Nobody ever claimed that any socialist state was Communist. Once Communism is achieved there is no longer a need for a state in the sense that we know it today. Communism is a mode of production and a form of society- it's not something you can just establish in a day.
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First of all, liberal democracy going back to the time of the revolution stated that people are to treated equally under the law. Marxism brought nothing new in this regard.



Sorry but that is anecdotal. It doesn't surprise me though, seeing as how degenerate the USSR had become at that time- but most of those people probably escaped and entered those countries illegally.



So you read that outdated article in Attack! Well there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Units might appear that way because some republics have a more homogenous population. For example, Kazakhstan has a large Slavic population, while a place like Uzbekistan didn't.



Not only was I born and raised most of my life in the US, I was in the US army. They are weak in some ways, but the Russian military is far weaker.
well about the russian military, Russian military weaker? no way.

i never read an article in attack. i never even heard of it.


First of all, liberal democracy going back to the time of the revolution stated that people are to treated equally under the law. Marxism brought nothing new in this regard.

yes it did it brought the death penalty
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Nobody ever claimed that any socialist state was Communist. Once Communism is achieved there is no longer a need for a state in the sense that we know it today. Communism is a mode of production and a form of society- it's not something you can just establish in a day.
correct but i am talking about how people viewed it at the time.
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YOu look at militaries as purely economic. so if you are talking about advanced weaponry maybe in some area the US has an edge.

But if you are talking about human quality and training, then no way. The discipline is quite lacking in the United States.
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Once a communist begins calling forth hereos of the pas and begins towing a nationalistic feeling then, all bets are off. Communism (the idea ) dies.
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This is the break between communism and Fascism. Giovanni Gentile and Mussolini were Marxists before Fascists. They're break began when their feelings for Italy as number one on the scene became more and more prevalent. National socialism, fascism, and communism can be seen as such through a socialistic spectrum. The state and her agenda is slight in difference.
The problem is that Fascism and National Socialism were reactionary ideologies backed by the industrial bourgeosie. These nations solved their problems temporarily but ended up creating huge deficits due to government spending, which is why they had to go to war and rely on slave labor, occupation fees, etc.

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National socialism views the state as progress for the people as a race and nation. Fascism views it as a people and nation there lies the difference between the two. It is not only nation but race. Communism disavows Nation and race. It does not view history as having grand heroes, but exploitative people.
First of all, National Socialism's "race" was far different than "race" as it is seen today. You are confusing the propaganda of NS and Fascism with its real purpose and action.

Society cannot be built on lofty myths about "grand heroes". No socialist state totally disavows heroes of the past- but they have always painted them in a more realistic light.



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AS SOON AS ANY SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY begins to take nationalistic feelings, it becomes FASCIST (not completely since there are few minor details). Communism takes that all away. That is wherin Marx and the rest of his Jewish cohorts come in and view the middle class ergo whites as a whole race that needed to be dealt with.
You're basing all this on a strawman of Marxism that is simply nonsensical. Also refering to Marx and his "Jooish cohorts" is ridiculous seeing that his economic theories were based on the ideas of Smith, Ricardo, Locke, et al. You're starting to sound like Celtic Patriot now.
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well about the russian military, Russian military weaker? no way.

i never read an article in attack. i never even heard of it.
Where did you get that idea that the Russian military was segregated then? And why do you think it is stronger?

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yes it did it brought the death penalty
Name someone who was executed for "racism" or anti-semitism.
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According to whom?



The problem is that Fascism and National Socialism were reactionary ideologies backed by the industrial bourgeosie. These nations solved their problems temporarily but ended up creating huge deficits due to government spending, which is why they had to go to war and rely on slave labor, occupation fees, etc.



First of all, National Socialism's "race" was far different than "race" as it is seen today. You are confusing the propaganda of NS and Fascism with its real purpose and action.

Society cannot be built on lofty myths about "grand heroes". No socialist state totally disavows heroes of the past- but they have always painted them in a more realistic light.





You're basing all this on a strawman of Marxism that is simply nonsensical. Also refering to Marx and his "Jooish cohorts" is ridiculous seeing that his economic theories were based on the ideas of Smith, Ricardo, Locke, et al. You're starting to sound like Celtic Patriot now.
first of all john locke and the tabula rasa was completely directed toward the english, he would have never considered black and the like to be part of his philosophies.

all societies are built on myths and hereos, to not know about ones past is to remain forever a child.

take a look at the 5 year plan of Germany and they had no debt that I never evenm read or heard of.

the only country that had to go to war to relieve their debt was the UNited States.

the industrial middle class were not the only ones backing up NS and Fascism that is way incorrect. It was literally everyone except for of course the criminals.

as for reactionary yes that is true Mussolini will state that but of course they never intended a revolution because that was not their belief to be as such.
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YOu look at militaries as purely economic. so if you are talking about advanced weaponry maybe in some area the US has an edge.

But if you are talking about human quality and training, then no way. The discipline is quite lacking in the United States.


Do you think the human quality of the Russian military is better? Ironically much of the abuse comes from Caucasian NCOs. Apparently they are a bit tougher and tend to make a career out of the military. They abuse, humiliate, and sometimes kill the conscripts. The conscipts themselves do the same once they get through their first year. It is not uncommon to run into a soldier asking for 10 rubles for cigarettes or alcohol(they are horribly paid). I have been accosted by soldiers pan-handling(yes, in uniform).

After they get out of the military, assuming they survive, they usually have little opportunity for decent employment.
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