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Old October 8th, 2014 #1
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[scanned this, looks interesting, not sure what to make of it]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...s-9782153.html
 
Old October 9th, 2014 #2
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This is interesting news and more study needs to be done to conclusively prove these objects/organisms are actually extraterrestrial. Back in 1996 there was the big story about a 4.1 billion year-old meteorite called ALH84001 discovered in Antarctica in 1984 which came from Mars and supposedly contained fossilized remains of microscopic bacteria. So far, this has not been proven 100 percent these actually are alien life forms, but the evidence is pretty strong.

It wouldn't be surprising at all that life of some sort, including intelligent life exists elsewhere besides on Earth, considering the same elements that make up our own planet and humans exists everywhere else in the universe. It's possible simple microbial life could still be found on Mars, probably underground protected from solar radiation or on Jupiter's ice-covered moon Europa where scientists believe a vast ocean of liquid water exists under the ice.

Just in the last 20 years hundreds of exo-planets orbiting other stars in our galaxy have been detected, some orbiting in what astronomers call the "Goldilocks Zone" the right distance away from the parent star for liquid water and possibly life to be present much like Earth's position in our Solar System. Frank Drake, the man who in 1960 led the first Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) using the Green Bank radio telescope in West Virginia, came up with the famous Drake Equation postulating millions of possible habitable planets and intelligent civilizations. So yes, life almost certainly has to exist outside Earth.
 
Old October 9th, 2014 #3
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[scanned this, looks interesting, not sure what to make of it]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...s-9782153.html
Even if these things are from space they could still originate on Earth, thrown into space millions of years ago by a volcano or meteor impact and finally falling back. But it's also possible they're from another planet in the solar system, or from outside. If that's confirmed, and these things prove to be the remains of life forms of some kind, that will suggest that life is extremely common since if it's rare the odds are against any of it showing up during one of the first searches.
 
Old October 9th, 2014 #4
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Even if these things are from space they could still originate on Earth, thrown into space millions of years ago by a volcano or meteor impact and finally falling back. But it's also possible they're from another planet in the solar system, or from outside. If that's confirmed, and these things prove to be the remains of life forms of some kind, that will suggest that life is extremely common since if it's rare the odds are against any of it showing up during one of the first searches.
The Earth theory is 99.99% likely IMO. Not that I am an expert of course, just plain common sense.

Not too sure about the volcano theory from millions of years ago though. Me thinks they would have died out by now. Or, at the vest least, have evolved into something new and more complex. Assuming, that is, the laws of physics allow life to evolve at such an high altitude.
 
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The Earth theory is 99.99% likely IMO. Not that I am an expert of course, just plain common sense.

Not too sure about the volcano theory from millions of years ago though. Me thinks they would have died out by now.
They're dead.
 
Old October 10th, 2014 #6
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I don't think its a matter of if, but when. It seems like basic common sense that something else being out there somewhere is a given considering the size of the universe. The only reason as a society that we don't assume we're not alone is to cater to religious sensitivities who's whole ideologies would be crushed if something else was proven to be out there.
 
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I don't think its a matter of if, but when. It seems like basic common sense that something else being out there somewhere is a given considering the size of the universe. The only reason as a society that we don't assume we're not alone is to cater to religious sensitivities who's whole ideologies would be crushed if something else was proven to be out there.
Not all religious ideologies are Earth bound, because all religions do not believe in the same ideal of divinity and nature. That the Earth is the centre of the universe where life was orignally created. Some religions are cosmic (Hinduism, Buddhism and the majority of pagan religions) and believe life exists throughout the universe, while other religions are Earth-centric such as Christianity and Islam. Which religion/s are you talking about!?

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I don't think its a matter of if, but when. It seems like basic common sense that something else being out there somewhere is a given considering the size of the universe. The only reason as a society that we don't assume we're not alone is to cater to religious sensitivities who's whole ideologies would be crushed if something else was proven to be out there.
The Brookings Report, commissioned by NASA in 1960 addressed that contact with an extraterrestrial species or civilization would have severe repercussions to human societal and religious systems if people discovered we are not alone in the universe to the point of anarchy and collapse. The common narrative espoused by court historians is that a less technologically or socially advanced society or group of people has always suffered after contact with a more advanced one and eventually disappears. This report has also been cited by various conspiracy circles and UFO researchers as one reason the government has been hiding evidence of past ET visitation and contact with Earth, such as the Roswell Incident, the many reports of alien abductions, cattle mutilations, crop circles, etc.

It no doubt would greatly affect some of the more primitive cultures and religions on this planet and many Christ-cultists in the White world if alien contact was made and realize we aren't the center of the universe, but I think the more intelligent among us would get over it, much like people eventually accepted that the Earth is round, not flat and that it orbits around the Sun, not vice-versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report

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The Brookings Report, commissioned by NASA in 1960 addressed that contact with an extraterrestrial species or civilization would have severe repercussions to human societal and religious systems if people discovered we are not alone in the universe to the point of anarchy and collapse. The common narrative espoused by court historians is that a less technologically or socially advanced society or group of people has always suffered after contact with a more advanced one and eventually disappears. This report has also been cited by various conspiracy circles and UFO researchers as one reason the government has been hiding evidence of past ET visitation and contact with Earth, such as the Roswell Incident, the many reports of alien abductions, cattle mutilations, crop circles, etc.

It no doubt would greatly affect some of the more primitive cultures and religions on this planet and many Christ-cultists in the White world if alien contact was made and realize we aren't the center of the universe, but I think the more intelligent among us would get over it, much like people eventually accepted that the Earth is round, not flat and that it orbits around the Sun, not vice-versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report
In a way I sorta agree Brookings Report. If we were to make contact with an ET species thousands of years more advanced than we are, I don't see how that would be beneficial for us. I'd prefer something else out there just leave us the hell alone until we're close to a similar technology level. We need to develop technology and advance by our own means, not jump 1000 years ahead in 20 years because of alien tech.
 
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Although I think it would be great if extraterrestrials introduced technology that would enable us to leave this rapidly screwed-up planet and relocate to a new world elsewhere in the galaxy, chances are it won't happen anytime soon given the immense distances of interstellar and intergalactic space and we will be left alone. Even if aliens have discovered Earth recently either through our radio and TV transmissions or by exploration, or came in the distant past, it's possible they have some type of non-interference directive or philosophy to let us and similar worlds progress on their own. If any hostile alien species discovered us, you'd think they would have conquered or destroyed us by now. So we will probably have to wait and get out there on our own assuming we don't self-destruct before reaching that technological level.
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