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Old January 5th, 2011 #21
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A proper ascension is not missing with Caesar either. One sees it here on the left. On the right there is the oldest preserved ascension of Christ as Helios [from the necropolis under the Basilica of St. Peter’s in Rome: in the mausoleum of the Iulii].
Both ascend to heaven in a chariot pulled by horses.


Now we briefly show how the image of Caesar changed after his death.
 
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18. Commemorative coin of Cossutius Maridianus




On this commemorative coin one sees that he is depicted capite velato, with a veil: as a sign that he was dead already then.
He possibly also has a beginning of a beard here: as a token of mourning, as can be seen on the coins of Antonius and Octavianus as well.
Together with the veil, which looks like long hair, this goes towards our idea of Jesus.
On the reverse the cruciform tropaeum gives way for an entirely stylized cross on which the name of the mint master is engraved.
 
Old January 5th, 2011 #23
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After Caesar was adopted among the gods he was no longer depicted as a man but as Divus Iulius, as a God. From then on he looks young forever and has an impersonal face.





Here is Divus Iulius on a coin issued by Octavianus.
In addition to a wreath he also carries the sidus Iulium on his head, the comet which appeared in the sky during the festivities that were held in his honor after his death. The people regarded the comet as the returned sould of Caesar. Octavianus had this comet affixed to all the statues of Divus Iulius.
We stand here before the oldest complete icon of Christ: long before Christ’s birth!
 
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20. Habitus of Divus Iulius


A. Coin of Lentulus / Resurrection, here e.g. by Raffaellino del Garbo




A. Here we see how Octavianus Augustus places the comet on the head of the statue of Divus Iulius. One also sees how the habitus of Divus Iulius anticipates that of Jesus: the naked torso, the loincloth and the staff. The sidus Iulium, the comet, has become an aureole and the cruciform tropaeum has been placed on the flag.



B. Redeemer statue of the Paushuize (pope’s house)




B. On other statues he carries the globe and the tropaeum stylized to a cross, as here in the hand of the Redeemer statue of the Paushuize (pope’s house) in Utrecht.
 
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21. Sidus Iulium and Christogramm




The sidus Iulium has the same structure and form as the later chi-rho, the Christ monogram.


We could show much more but time is running out.


What we can still show briefly are a couple of corruptions in writing that occurred in the course of the handing down of the texts and by which the history of the Roman civil war became the Gospel.
It is the same story, only that it has been relocated from Gallia to Galilaea.
Briefly:
 
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GALLIA > GALILAEA


The land in the north where Caesar and Jesus are at the beginning of the civil war respectively the beginning of the preaching activity.



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Both cross a fateful river, the Rubicon and the Jordan. Both then enter into a town:


CORFINIVM > CAFARNAVM


Caesar finds the town occupied by an enemy and besieges it; Jesus finds a man in the town who is possessed by a demon. Occupied, resp. besieged as well as possessed is rendered by the same word in Latin:



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OBSESSVS > OBSESSVS


With the next siege of Caesar one finds the next possessed one with Jesus.
Caesar besieges Pompeius and his legions but cannot force him to surrender because Pompeius stays in his entrenchments (munimenta);
Jesus encounters a possessed one whose name is Legion and who cannot be enchained because he dwells among the tombs (monumenta).
Here too:



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OBSESSVS vs. OBSESSVS
LEGION vs. LEGION
MVNIMENTA vs. MONVMENTA


So we see that we are dealing with two reports running parallel, in which the same structures and attributes occur, that have the same or almost same names:


GALLIA > GALILEA
CORFINIVM > CAFARNAVM
OBSESSVS > OBSESSVS
LEGION > LEGION
MVNIMENTA > MONVMENTA


If we compare both stories it turns out that the structures and all names, places and actions correspond to each other.
 
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26. Once more the map of the Empire




This delocalization of the events from Gallia to Galilaea became necessary with the founding of the second dynasty.
As Caesar had become big in the Gallic war in Gallia, Vespasianus copied him in the Jewish war in Galilaea.
Galilaea had been the cradle of power for the Flavians, as Gallia had been for the Iulians.
The statue of Divus Iulius in Rome was miraculously ad orientem conversa, ‘turned to the Orient’: ‘converted’ one should say. From then on it looked in the same direction as the temple of Divus Vespasianus: to the East.
 
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Vespasianus and Titus had not only acquired the temple utensils of Jerusalem but also captured Josephus. Josephus was a ringleader of the insurrectionaries but he had defected to Vespasianus under dubious circumstances. He claimed that Gott had appeared to him and revealed that Vespasianus was the true Messiah for whom the Jewish rebels waited. He said that he was to become emperor and his son Titus as well. In the secession war that broke out soon after the death of Nero this prophecy of Josephus came at just the right time. When Vespasianus unexpectedly became emperor he adopted Josephus. This one wrote as Flavius Josephus the history of Jewish war for the new emperor. The autobiography of this Flavius Josephus shows many correspondences with the story of Paul as it is passed down in the Acts.
Since the historical existence of Paul is supported as little as the one of Jesus one must assume that Paulus is Flavius Josephus, in the same way as Jesus is Divus Iulius.
 
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The adapting of texts became possible because of the bilingualism of the empire. The priests of Vespasianus did not have to write a new version of the holy story of Divus Iulius. It was sufficient to make the Eastern version the official one: the story of Divus Iulius experienced many changes in the East in the translation from Latin into Greek. Then it mutated into the Gospel in the incessant process of copying and commenting.
 
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29. Specimina





A glance into the preserved original manuscripts of the Gospels. Here is one of the most authentic, the Codex Bezae Catabrigiensis, bilingual, Greek-Latin. This codex makes it clear that the probability of mistakes is not low. The text, written in majuscules, i.e. continously in capitals, at first glance gives the impression of good legibility. The appearance is deceiving. There are many possible sources of error. One example: it is not only written without periods and commas and without the diacritical signs which are important for the Greek (accents, spirits, etc.) but also without word spacing opening the potential for erroneuos word divisions (e.g. in English: GODISNOWHERE may be read as “God is now here” or “God is nowhere”).
 
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30. Examples of erroneous word divisions


DIVVS > DIV VS
God’s son, later David’s son


GAIVS > GAI VS
Son of man


MARIVS > MARI VS
Son of Mary


PVBLIVS CLODIVS PVLCHER
PVBLIVSCLODIVSPVLCHER
PVBLIVSC LODI VS PVLCHER
publican Levi, the son of Alphaeus


Et cetera, et cetera
 
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As one knows there was no printing press and no photocopier at that time.
Each copy was made by hand. Thus errors cumulated quickly. Later attempts of correction inevitably led to more errors: so-called corrections which make things worse and scholarly corruptions.





In the first book on the old Rome that we looked in at the book store here in Utrecht yesterday, we read: ‘Het orakelachtige heiligdom van Fortuna Primigenis in Preneste, tegenwoordig Palestina’ – ‘the mysterious sanctuary of the Fortuna Primigenia in Praeneste, today’s Palestine’. It should be Palestrina. But it says Palestine, presumably because this name was better known than the one of the musician.
One can imagine that after further copying the temple of Fortuna would soon become the one of Solomon or of Herodes.


In a review of our book a Berlin newspaper cited a passage where there is talk about two Romans, Hortensius and Scipio. They became ‘Horrensius’ and ‘Skorpio’. Apparently the typesetter had just watched a gothic movie.


One of our English translators who has a Sicilian amonst his ancestors translated a passage where Paul comes from Cilicy. He made it ‘from Sicily’.


A friend of mine, an Italian Franciscan, who lives in Brasil told me that the Brazilians think a great deal of Saint Frances the more so as for them he is a Brazilian: he came from Assis, Rio Grande do Sul, and not as we think from Assisi in Umbria (Italy).
It is exactly the same thing the veterans of Vespasianus did who relocated the story from Gallia to Galilaea. And Vespasianus’ reasons of state sanctioned it.
 
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Today’s visitor of Rome when standing in front of the temples of Antoninus and Faustina has a feeling that the Christian churches were built on the fundaments of old Roman temples. It’s more than that: The basilicas and temples simply became Christian. Not even a rebuilding took place, only the meaning of the edifices changed – and this too only slightly.



Conclusion


NIHIL EST IN IESV
QVOD PRIVS NON FVERIT IN CAESARE


Translated literally:


There is nothing in Jesus
that was not already in Caesar
 
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Utrecht, Auditorium Louis Hartlooper Complex, Sunday afternoon March, 20th, 3:30 pm



Passion before Easter


Caesar on the cross

by Francesco Carotta
with the assistance of Tommie Hendriks
and
Rev. Pedro García González
with the assistance of Joseph Horvath


Another great lecture, worth reading through, but I am not going to put it together on this thread, the link is here: http://www.carotta.de/subseite/events/lhc_e.html


Will, however, highlight this gem........

3. And the famous Pietà-group. Nothing of that in the Gospel. However, with Caesar: the last dream of Calpurnia, his wife, who in the last night dreamt that she was holding the body of her husband streaming with blood—which indeed happened the next day.





Calpurnia’s dream
 
Old January 8th, 2011 #35
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Christ was Caesar
This is mostly silly stuff (you will be hard-pressed to find anything honest about a historical Jesus out of a man who makes his living as a priest) -- but it perhaps suggest something truthful: Caesar wasn't an anti-Christ; Christ, however, (was at least imaged as) an anti-Caesar.

It's no great secret that Christianity began among Jews but morphed into a hybrid religion when blended into pagan mystery cults then popular in the Roman world-- like the cults of Isis, Osiris and Horus (from which the Pieta comes, by the way); Dionysus, Orpheus and the Elusinian Mysteries; the cult of Aesculapius; the cult of Serapis; the cult of Mithras. Christianity borrows from those and others. Hell, Christianity is those and others. Christianity, basically, is Jewish Messianism that, despite itself, conquered and made a part of itself a sort of pagan mystery cult chop suey-- a mystery cult chop suey in which all the various pagan solar dieties and rising-and-dying fertility gods were collapsed into one undead semi-historical Jew, while claiming the Jewish scriptures as its own.

It's also no secret that as it spread it took over the more secular iconography of the Roman world-- Christ as Sol Invictus, for one instance.

There's no conspiracy in the Christians moving into the pagan temples, either. Christianity, unfortunately, won the battle for hearts and minds and put up shop in the old places of worship. It was common practice in the ancient world for a new belief to just take over the old sites. When he levelled Jerusalem in 135AD and kicked out the Jews the Emperor Hadrian built a Temple to Jupiter on the site where the Jewish temple had been. That sort of thing-- or just moving in to the old holy places, if they weren't destroyed-- was typical.


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The bible is not a holy book, but a history book.
It's neither. It's ancient-world propaganda virtually from cover to cover and has no honest interest in fact or history.
 
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