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Old November 5th, 2008 #1
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David Frum to the Religious Right: Drop Dead
Posted by Tom Piatak on November 05, 2008

After weeks of expressing contempt for the delcasse Sarah Palin, David Frum has now expressed his disdain for the voters who liked Palin and who have propelled the GOP to victory after victory since Reagan’s election in 1980, the evangelical Christians and conservative Catholics who vote Republican because of their concern over issues like abortion. According to Frum, such voters need to be jettisoned because “College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats--but their values are under threat from Republicans.”

To pursue the burgeoning yuppie class, “will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy and less polarizing on social issues.”

What Frum neglects to add is that none of these changes would be “painful” for him, a pro-abortion, non-religious denizen of a tony Washington neighborhood, who has long been uncomfortable with social issues and tolerated religious voters so long as they were willing to vote Republican without expecting much in return and serve as cannon fodder in the wars Frum wants America to fight, but now thinks he has found something better.

The question is, with National Review giving the boot to its founder’s son and Jeffrey Hart, why does it still keep Frum around? Is National Review, too, becoming embarrassed by religious conservatives? (Thanks to John Seiler for pointing out this latest revelation from David Frum).

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Old November 7th, 2008 #2
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Conservatives Lost More Than An Election

By Chuck Baldwin

[Chuck Baldwin ran for President as Constitution Party candidate, which is why we haven't been running his column, to maintain our neutrality. Now that the election is over, (the election was won by some other fellow) we'll resume posting. ]

That Barack Obama trounced John McCain last Tuesday should have surprised no one. In fact, in this column, weeks ago, I stated emphatically that John McCain could no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton. He didn't. (Hence a vote for John McCain was a "wasted" vote, was it not?) I also predicted that Obama would win with an electoral landslide. He did. The real story, however, is not how Barack Obama defeated John McCain. The real story is how John McCain defeated America's conservatives.

For all intents and purposes, conservatism—as a national movement—is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush's portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being "pro-life," but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these "pro-life" neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers' wombs during the last eight years how "pro-life" GeGeorge W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of "pro-life" conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Consider, too, the way Bush and McCain have allowed the international bankers on Wall Street to bilk America's taxpayers out of trillions of dollars. Yes, I know Obama also supported the Wall Street bailout, but it was the Republican Party that controlled the White House for the last eight years and the entire federal government for six out of the last eight years. In fact, the GOP has won seven out of the previous ten Presidential elections. They have controlled Supreme Court appointments for the past thirty-plus years. They have appointed the majority of Treasury secretaries and Federal Reserve chairmen. They have presided over the greatest trade imbalances, the biggest deficits, the biggest spending increases, and now the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression.

Again, the American people look at these so-called "conservatives" and laugh. No wonder such a sizeable majority of voters yawned when John McCain tried to scare them by accusing Barack Obama of being a "big taxer." How can one possibly scare people with a charge like that after the GOP has made a total mockery of fiscal conservatism? That's like trying to scare someone coming out from a swim in the Gulf of Mexico with a squirt gun.

Then there was the pathetic attempt by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to scare gun owners regarding an Obama White House. Remember that John McCain is the same guy that the NRA rightly condemned for proposing his blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold bill. McCain is also the same guy that tried to close down gun shows. He even made a personal campaign appearance for a pro-gun control liberal in the State of Oregon a few short years ago. In fact, the Gun Owners of America (GOA) gave McCain a grade of "F" for his dismal record on Second Amendment issues. Once again, Chicken Little-style paranoia over Barack Obama rang hollow when the alternative was someone as liberal as John McCain.

But the worst calamity of this election was the way conservatives—especially Christian conservatives—surrendered their principles for the sake of political partisanship. The James Dobsons of this country should hang their heads in shame! Not only did they lose an election, they lost their integrity!

In South Carolina, for example, pro-life Christians and conservatives had an opportunity to vote for a principled conservative-constitutionalist for the U.S. Senate. He is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and pro-traditional marriage. He believes in securing our borders against illegal immigration. He is against the bailout for the Wall Street anksters. His conservative credentials are unassailable. But the vast majority of Christian conservatives (including those at Bob Jones University) voted for his liberal opponent instead.

The man that the vast majority of Christian conservatives voted for in South Carolina is a Big-Government neocon. He supported the bailout of the Wall Street banksters. He is a rabid supporter of granting amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. In fact, this man has a conservative rating of only 29% in the current Freedom Index of the New American Magazine.

Why did Christian conservatives support the liberal neocon and not the solid pro-life conservative? Because the conservative ran as a Democrat and the neocon is a Republican. I'm talking about the race between Bob Conley and Lindsey Graham, of course.

Had South Carolina's pastors, Christians, evangelicals, and pro-life conservatives voted for Bob Conley, he would be the new senator-elect from that state. In fact, Bob was so conservative that the Democratic leadership in South Carolina endorsed the Republican, Lindsey Graham! No matter. A majority of evangelical Christians in South Carolina stupidly rejected Bob Conley and voted for Graham.

Across the country, rather than stand on principle, hundreds of thousands of pastors, Christians, and pro-life conservatives capitulated and groveled before John McCain's neocon agenda. In doing so, they forfeited any claim to truth, and they abandoned any and all fidelity to constitutional government. They should rip the stories of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego out of their Bibles. They should never again tell their children, parishioners, and radio audiences the importance of standing for truth and principle. They have made a mockery of Christian virtue. No wonder a majority of the voting electorate laughs at us Christians. No wonder the GOP crashed and burned last Tuesday.

Again, it wasn't Barack Obama who destroyed conservatism; it was George W. Bush, John McCain, and the millions of evangelical Christians who supported them. And until conservatives find their backbone and their convictions, they deserve to remain a burnt-out, has-been political force. They have no one to blame but themselves.

And since it is unlikely that the Republican Party has enough sense to understand any of this and will, therefore, do little to reestablish genuine conservative principles, it is probably best to just go ahead and bury the scoundrels now and move on to something else. Without a sincere commitment to constitutional government, the GOP has no justifiable reason to ever govern again. Therefore, put a fork in them. They are done. Let a new entity arise from the ashes: one that will stand for something more than just "the lesser of two evils." As we say in the South, That dog just won't hunt anymore.

Dr. Chuck Baldwin is the pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. He hosts a weekly radio show. His website is here.

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Old November 8th, 2008 #3
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I like some of what Mr. Baldwin writes, he's right on many issues. Unfortunately, he seems to be a multiracialist.

How can he support the founders and the old South while claiming he's not racist and they weren't racist? It's somewhat like saying you're a nazi but you like Jews and believe in race-mixing.

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Baldwin is pissed because Rush Limbaugh is going to make Republican Conservative brainwashing bigger than ever before with Barack The Magic Negro in office. And Baldwin's not a Republican. His whole claim to fame was the Ron Paul endorsement.

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We Got A Nigger Motherfuckin President So Kiss My Black Hottentot Ass

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Baldwin is pissed because Rush Limbaugh is going to make Republican Conservative brainwashing bigger than ever before with Barack The Magic Negro in office.
He can try all he wants. White America is becoming the minority, and especially the conservative portion.

Republicans will never win another election again without bringing more non-whites into the Republican party, which will be impossible to do, since non-whites are quite wise to Republican bullshit pandering.

White America is still in denial of why their most favored candidate lost.
 
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Republicans will never win another election again without bringing more non-whites into the Republican party, which will be impossible to do, since non-whites are quite wise to Republican bullshit pandering.
On the contrary.

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White America is becoming the minority, and especially the conservative portion.
Rush has 20 million listeners and that number is growing. Whites are going to be very receptive to criticism of President Barack Hussain Obama. Conservative Republicanism is going to spread like wildfire.

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On the contrary.



Rush has 20 million listeners and that number is growing. Whites are going to be very receptive to criticism of President Barack Hussain Obama. Conservative Republicanism is going to spread like wildfire.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...be_deemed.html
...and Rush's 20 millions and growing will NEVER be enough to prevail over the coalition of muds and liberal Whites: for exactly the reasons Chuck Baldwin states so accurately. As long as Whites continue to buy stock in the Neo-kahns and preachers, they will NEVER have their interests represented in any governments.

Republicans have been trash from the day they spawned "honest Abe", and they have continued as cynical trash to this very moment: look at how they threw Palin under the bus before the echos from McCain's concession had died away. With a plethora of winks, nods, and nudges Republican schtickmeisters have suckered racialist Whites for more than 50 years into imagining that Republicans somehow will best serve the interests of Whites. Don't the obvious results mean anything to anyone?

"Conservatism" is just as ludicrous. Whites have been enticed into believing that somehow "conservatism" means a respect for and desire to at least hold on to the "good old days" when Whites set the agenda and made the rules. Once again, don't the obvious results mean anything?

Rush's "20 million and growing" listeners mean to me nothing more or less
than 20 million retarded, Talmudvision watching, niggerball embracing, idiots. Rush has never been a greater threat to the interest of the White Nation than he will now become.

As Rahm Emanuel pulls the puppet strings in the Oval Office, Rush will play for all the "conservative" Whites. HAH! The stupidity of the goyim has never been more clearly demonstrated than in the past 20 or so months. Without a clear, acknowledged leader White Kwans are doomed.
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...and Rush's 20 millions and growing will NEVER be enough to prevail over the coalition of muds and liberal Whites: for exactly the reasons Chuck Baldwin states so accurately. As long as Whites continue to buy stock in the Neo-kahns and preachers, they will NEVER have their interests represented in any governments.
And yet so many Whites bought stock in Ron Paul. The biggest critic of Neo-Kahns in Congress.
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So why are you waiting 'til 2016?
Age requirements.

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He can try all he wants. White America is becoming the minority, and especially the conservative portion.

Republicans will never win another election again without bringing more non-whites into the Republican party, which will be impossible to do, since non-whites are quite wise to Republican bullshit pandering.

White America is still in denial of why their most favored candidate lost.
Not really, although we are probably beyond the point of achieving anything politically. You make the asseertion that the republican party is useless. Well, that is probably true. But it is also certainly true that the democratic party is the anti-white party, so whites won't find their answer there.

What we need is a breakdown of the central (federal) government. Then perhaps all these anti-white laws will not be enforced. Have governments become empowered at the local level, and then the races will migrate to the appropriate enclave.
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Not really, although we are probably beyond the point of achieving anything politically.
What evidence would you need to be aware of to be convinced that political achievements have been made?

 
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