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So some unemployed drunken Irishman is superior to a German engineer in the eyes of other Celts because he is Celtic? That is the only criteria?
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To answer your question more directly, yes the unemployed, drunken, Irishman is superior to the German engineer in the eyes of other Celts because he is one of our own, he is closer to being a blood-relative, a member of our tribe, closer to ourself than the German engineer is or can be. Because he is of our same blood, he is preferable to us, he is one of us. The same holds true for the White race, which is the ultimate extention of ourselves, it is the limit of our concern. One you cross the line and go outside of the race, you are among people who have no connection to you, no kinship, no common blood; other races are alien to us. To break it down, it would look something like this: self > family > clan > tribe > ethnic group > race Last edited by Steven L. Akins; September 25th, 2012 at 10:53 PM. |
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These are the attributes that make it possible to organize a power to take on the jews. You don't find them in the South. The South has no interest in even understanding its enemy, whether Yankee or Judean - it's just angry, and reasonably so, over how it was treated. None of us can do anything about yesterday, but we are failing fully to take advantage of what we can to do change tomorrow. My point is, although WN has its basis in Southern racial conservatism, that is not an effective basis for fighting jews or fanatical ideological Northern WASP-Germanic protestants, ie the liberals. I attack Southerners here because there are a lot of them. Just as in college I was surrounded, alone, with WASP protestant liberals, even more than jews, and I attacked them. Who is our real enemy? How precisely does he hold power over us? What can we do to change this? And prior to this...who are we? Christ on a crutch, we still have people HERE, let alone other WN/SN sites who think we are christians! This fundamental confusion, this issue, never rises to the surface to be solved because the Southerns don't think it's a problem. They think I'm the problem for declaring it's an issue and siding with racialists and the proven-effective nationalist approach followed by '30s Germans and today's Greeks. Just imagine if you had, across WN, people who did what I advocate: - accepted No Jews. Just Right. Explicitly declared jews the enemy, did not allow them in its groups, treated those who DID truck with them as enemies, no matter their agreement on many other points - everybody on the same page attacking jews and jew-sellouts and jew-apologists - everybody using agreed-on terms and debate frames to make our case coherent in the public mind - everybody attacking the religious conservatives as our enemy, in order to make them stop stealing our thunder and get off the fence. - no more alt-right shtick allowed - you're either a racial radical, or a pants-wetting conserative If we did these things, we'd be in danger of succeeding. We'd have a true head. We'd, once we formalized a party and organized things, be set to get our ass-kickers, where the average Southern comes in, to be directing their ass-kickings at our racial enemies rather than the jews'. What we see today is failure on the part of both Northern and Southern WN. The Southerners fight for the enemy, don't belief in book-learnin' generally, don't believe consistency matters, aren't interested in studying their enemy, just being perpetually angry over historical events that can't be changed, though they continue to ramify. In the north we've got hair-smoothing prettygirl intellectuals, professors and homosexuals, who are smart enough to get the job done, but mainly interested in cutting fine figures among themselves, producing books, multiplying essays, raising funds. But not actually taking their case to real free-standing white men in the real world, or fighting the enemy; it's all indoor work with them. Look at Hitler. He was an intellectual and warrior. Look at Golden Dawn. #2 Kasidiaris is both the party spokesman and an ex-commando. Men of ideas and of action. Men of consistency and bravery. Not fundraisers. Not driven by money. What we need in America must follow the NS and GD model because there is no other way, in White culture at least, to defeat the enemy we face. The Muslims have their way, but it's not particularly successful, and it's not something we can duplicate since we don't share their beliefs or culture. But what Germany learned or relearned or figured out is open to all of us. If the Greeks can copy their example, we can too. Last edited by Alex Linder; September 26th, 2012 at 12:42 AM. |
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"Whoa, hold on there. Let's not go too far, now. JEE-sus was a jew, ya know....." A big part of the reason for their intellectual laziness is the fear of the doubt that learning inevitably brings.
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A distinction: I detest niggers. Hate is for people on one's level. I hate illiberals and jews who create fantasies and try to force them on the rest of us rather than respecting and listening to what reality's trying to tell us.
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Like I said, I enjoy reading the debate over slavery and its economic utility. That's good stuff intellectually. But slavery could make every white a millionaire and I still wouldn't want it. I don't want niggers around. If Southerners like niggers and love to lord it over them, they can fucking move to Africa. If I'm dictator and I have power and there's still niggers around I can get to, they aint going to exist very long. Not for the dirt-eating yawls to lord it over, nor for the fanatical post-puritans to use as playthings. Them niggers going underground or get their Freaka on. I believe in systemic solutions. I do not believe in muddling through. And this is no cheap belief. I come up through Burke via Kirk. That's where the hatred of ideology comes from; the problem is that ideology too often means simpled principles or even merely consistency. When you take that line, you get done in by people who take a harder one. Southerners tend to be nice. They overlook ideological differences if they like someone. They make an excuse for him. This is what doesn't work. Northerners are less nice. Less willing to overlook. Jews are positively hateful and unwilling to overlook anything. Look how they turn on their on critics of Israel and knock them out of their shitty college jobs. Look how, per the jew Ed Asner article I posted where he throws over a decade-long friendship with an actor when he finds out she voted for Bush and was a conservative. That quality is nearly unfindable among our kind. And that's why we lose. In the end, consistency and principles is just too hard for us. We're easygoing conservatives with a fondness for the church and love for our fellow man and comfortable in our own skin. Well if we truly want to win, our prototype victor will be a lot more Linderlike (who am none of those 'good' Southern things) or Elisha Stromlike. I've said repeatedly to no response whatsoever: is that a price you're willing to pay? To shift Whiteness 25 clicks toward the obnoxious, fanatical, uncomfortable, hyper-organized ideological. Cuz I aint got nothing else to offer, except humor, which is apparently the only reason most of you are even with me. I can't sell you on the rest, at least not yet. I'm not Southern though, so I will never give up. But it is the reason that though I accept every solid Southerner that comes our way I do look to the solution to ultimately come from the North and West. Quote:
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Since Pierce died, no one looks at the big picture. I'm trying in a feeble way to replace that. By perpetually asking the questions: what kind of men do we need to defeat jews? what kind of culture? Quote:
- what are its patterns? - can they be used as a basis for defeating the powers that be - ie ZOG? And I'm concluding, to no real intellectual resistance or disagreement, that there is virtually nothing in Southern culture that can sustain a successful fight against the WASP-illiberal/judean overlords. Who says I'm wrong? Who? Who? Who? You? Then explain. But I get nothing. Because Southerners don't even comprehend what I'm talking about. The only real strategy the South seems to have is just keep on keeping on, and maybe one day things will get better. I think they subconsciously know they can't win. So why not take money to serve their masters - ie the Stonelifter approach? That's not how the jews or Notherners, ie the winners, would do things. They would keep resisting until they overcame and won. That's why I find the ubquitous Southern belief in Southern toughness kind of strange. If you really were tough, men like Stonelifter wouldn't exist. Or, if I'm being unfair, you can say Southerns are only tough militarily. It just so happens that's about the most useless form of toughness give the sides doing battle. Quote:
I truly believe that OD is missing the focus: it should be on the horrors wrought in the minds and culture of white men, north and south by this monstrous cult. The type of world I want to live in doesn't exist in the US any longer, if it ever did. I want a minimalist central government, and a patchwork of small states. Quote:
I fully admit I engage in the black art of pissing off certain people for no other reason than to inspire them to prove me wrong, and that certainly includes the South. That's why I viciously mock dirt-eaters and hidebound religious conservatives, the infamous animal-level no-necks. Prove me wrong. Best me. Beat me up. I'll love you for it. If you can win in a non-me-approved way, I'll show up at your freaking door with a shakin' snake and a rueful smile, begging to be let in! I'll let you douse me in one of your fetid marshes in the name of Jebus the Great. I just want to win. Sorry, that's awfully Northern of me. See, my culture, the part I never talk about, is the Puritans. They are fanatical, ideological and highly driven, intelligent people. They are pretty darn indomitable. Those are qualities I could draw on in opposing the horrible culture their RELIGIOUS instanity has created, in conjunction with the now-ruling jews. What in YOUR culture is there to draw on to defeat the jews? That's all I'm asking, and saying I don't see anything. Just a slow-moving, anti-intellectual religious culture that can't figure out the game, let alone win it. But prove me wrong! That's why I'm insistent and obnoxious. Prove me the fuck wrong. Cuz I don't think I am wrong. In fact, I pretty much guarantee I'm not wrong. See, I don't think you guys understand certain things. I'm not looking for friends. I'm not looking for you to like me. I'm looking to solve a huge problem that faces all of us who are white normalists, so to speak, living anywhere from Sweden to Australia. That's all I care about. We must cast about coldly until we find the right way, sparing no one's feelings. Putting all our subcultures under the microscope to find the source of the sickness or the regenerative power. Quote:
White Nationalism is what we need. OD make the point that it's abstract and not rooted without seeing that this is more of a strength than a weakness. WN is based on how MOST whites act when left to their own devices. It's like a tent-pole barn, and then the regions or states are picnic tables under it. WN doesn't pretend to address or solve EVERY problem or mediate every cultural difference, rather it's a racial, national solution to a racial, national problem. Which is exactly what we need under current circumstances. Quote:
I don't say one thing and do another. Well, of course I do, we all are hypocritical to an extent. But when I do, I'm conscious of it and I regret it. I don't overly het up about it because I'm not a religious crank, I just go into my self-coaching mode, and ask, "Jesus Christ, boy, is that really all we can expect out of you? That is it? C'mon, man, you can and MUST do better than that." Meh. That's how I do it. Last edited by Alex Linder; September 26th, 2012 at 01:08 AM. |
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Linder, how much time have you spent in the South? I've been reading you since 2000 and I know your resume. You have no conception of the South or of Southerners than your internet perception. As much as I admire a lot of things you have written and as much as I think you could lead an intellectual army, I think you're currently going down the wrong alley.
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I'm not even really interested in them except as they pertain to our common political problem, if you even agree we have one. |
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You're kidding, right?
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He also has a sense of humor and a wryness about him. Stuff you never see in American politicians who are inevitably flat and obvious because anything intelligent or shaded would scare the audience. America is a cheerleader mixed with a religious cretin and must be appealed to like a particularly slow kindergartner.
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The only reason I reopened to this person (who does not use his real name) is that he has professional history-writing ability, and we can't afford to overlook anyone useful provided they can sythesize minimal behavioral standards. I'm giving him a second chance as far as I'm concerned. Maybe he doesn't care about that, I don't know. But he's managed some stability for the last year, and I'm hoping my chip on the pile will help a little in that regard. I'm not friendly or nice, but in many ways better than that I'm predictable and reliable and stable. It is extremely unfair to compare me with him in that regard. If Southern Nationalism can work, more power to it. I doubt it, for the reasons I've outlined many times. But let the debate go on. |
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LOOOOOSSSEEEEEEEERRRRR You're too Southern even to understand what I'm saying, let alone cope with it mentally. Look at what Golden Dawn is doing: the polar opposite of what the Southern-Christian-conservative strain of WN has always done. And they are succeeding. I've been in the panhandle of Florida for weeks, if that ain't the South, then I don't know what is. Baptist boo boxes alternating with Waffle Houses. I managed to get in a bar fight with a Southerner who claimed he had gone to Yale. Over the merits of Thomas Pynchon. I tried to pick up a single mom near an army base but she was only interested in telling me about her kid's lice. I saw foot-wide Eastern Diamondback skins pegged to a wall, and bones of shot boars in the sandy soil beneath the pines. My long-dead grandmother died in Dunedin, Fla., near Clearwater, and I had gone down there many times. I always got a thrill from the fiddler crabs running around among their tiny holes, like bald man's beach divots. I gave a speech to a medical company's annual convention down in Bradenton or one of those richy areas down there in Miami. Afterwards I drove my rental car down through the keys. Not my first trip there. I've traveled all over Viriginia and West Virginia when I lived in DC for a decade; and also through a good portion of North Carolina. Maryland too - I've lived near Baltimore and around and in DC and southern Penn. I've driven all the way down 95 from DC to Miami for a flight to Puerto Rico for a week's vacation. I've lived in Missouri for 14 years. I've been to Dallas and South Padre about a dozen times. I've been to Duke's area of Louisiana. To get there had to travel through good stretch of Mississippi, which taught me that, like Missouri and Pennsylvania and New York state, Mississippi is a good deal more heavily forested than one might have thought; different feel to the niggers than you get in St. Louis, too. My family even lived very briefly on Bayou LaBatrie (?) for a time. I know my parents always quoted me saying "more grits!" in some restaurant, to general amusement. And my mom would do a Southern accent woman saying to me "yor daddy shore left his stamp on you!" and referring to her "yankee baby." But I have no memories of that period. It was a baby or toddler. I was childhood friends with a transplanted Southerner who was from New Orleans, and endlessly bragging on Bobby Bowden. I've covered numerous conferences in Atlanta, as a trade journalist, and seen the niggers and other non-white wildlife around the places of peach. Also been over 64 a million times, through Kentucky. The only South I have really not seen much at all, either once or nonce, is Alabama and Mississippi, I suppose. And South Carolina. Not much Arkansas either. I believe I have a grasp on the Southern mentality. It's religious, friendly-intrusive and dilatory, among other things - best described by Florence King, in my opinion. It's not my way. I can deal with it, no problem. I like a lot of the same things (fishing and sports and such) and share the most basic views: leaving other people alone, decentralization. Beyond that, not much in common. Should say also, whatever of intellectual merit the South has produced I've eaten: Calhoun, Robert Penn Warren's novel, Truman Capote's In Cold Blood. But mainly Calhoun, and also Randolph. I've read the Agrarians' stuff to get the intelligent reaction to modernism. I've read with great appreciation the valuable moderns like Jimmy Cantrell (why did that guy quit publishing stuff online)? I get the heart of the problem that led to the civil war - see my review of Gone with the Devil. I've run a forum with loads of Southerners for 10 years. I'm not sure what there is to learn I don't know. How many of you Southerns have had direct personal involvement with men and the TYPE that actually runs our country? I'll bet I have more experience with Southerners than most of you have with those. And that's why I write the way I do. I know what our enemy is actually like. Just because you hate him more than I do doesn't mean you understand him better or know how to defeat him. If so prove it. I make the challenge and get nothing but crickets every time. Last edited by Alex Linder; September 26th, 2012 at 02:18 AM. |
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This doesn't stop them from poaching other whites(wasps/germans/meds) accomplishments, though, while disparaging them in the same breath. The Mediterraneans are so far superior to the Celts in what they've contributed to humanity - in both the arts and the sciences - there's literally no point in even attempting to draw a comparison. Your 'clans' were still living in thatch huts frolicking around in skirts fucking sheep when the Romans were running the most advanced civilization in the world. |
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Tend to agree with Russell: I would look to Italy/Greece/Spain/France for pointers long before anyplace in the UK.
Germanic culture and Latin culture can coexist, as proved in Switzerland, which features the longest running and most successful decentralization of power in any White land, as far as I can tell. Since we're all in bragging mode, that's where my people come from on both sides. |
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Here's the South for you. Please note that I do like football. And I'm better at it than you, if you must ask. Well, most of you, ha.
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This holds true whether we are talking about Celt vs. Saxon, or Southerner vs. Yankee. That is our conceit of ourselves. Last edited by Steven L. Akins; September 26th, 2012 at 07:40 AM. |
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