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Old October 25th, 2008 #1
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Why has nothing happened in the cause? Probably because most groups try to be Nazi's, which scares away the white masses in droves and also disrespects the NAZI'S who wore their uniforms with honour and died with them. Unless you were to actually bring back the 3rd reich as it never was officially ended, all of those symbols belong to that time and those people.
The propaganda from that time is essential though, as in re-creating the propaganda techniques, because that is the reason why a movement grows, is propaganda. "Without good propaganda there cannot be a strong government, just like there cannot be a strong government without good propaganda!"-Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Reichminister of Propaganda.
This is some brilliantly explained thoughts on the subject by Justin Lee
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Nazi uniforms are worn to Halloween parties. And it disrespects the memory of those who died is such uniforms taking on the jewish international juggernaut. Plus, those men were in the military. Many of us are not and never have been. However...

Those that have served should wear military attire. It's been earned and it shows that not all in the American military are programmed zogbots. It also shows that we have teeth. We have trained men willing to defend our race.
What we need to concentrate on, at least in my opinion is first organization, as in we need to organize a movement. Don't worry about how were going to look, what symbols were going to use, simply work on a solid political platform, then stick to it until there are enough members to hold an impressive rally, then unleash the uniforms in a ceremony at the rally.

Dues should be standard, any club has fees, so somebody asking you for dues is not out of the ordinary, you pay them for unions, you give money at church etc...

12-step groups I'm thinking could be our loophole in the system we could exploit. If you were to start an anti-Semite anomynous or some kind of 12 step group (I have seen programs) where you admit you're powerless over your feelings of superiority over other races.
With this, when someone does a "hate" crime, then they could possibly make it part of their probation, mandatory 12-step, just like with drunks and AA.

Please brainstorm some good ideas, these are some of mine.
 
Old October 25th, 2008 #2
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Cannot rep you anymore right now.

Good post!
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Old October 26th, 2008 #3
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Cannot rep you anymore right now.

Good post!
Don't worry bro, this ain't about internet rep.

Here's an awesome speech by Alex Hassinger of www.nordwave.net
He's very passionate about National Socialism and things like the Swastika, he makes some very good points here about giving things up. Once you give one thing up they know you'll keep doing it, it's the Kulturekampf

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2008 ISD Memorial Speech
Given September 20th, 2008 at the Ian Stuart Donaldson Memorial,
Jupiter, Florida
By Alex Hassinger



Alex Hassinger's Speech at the ISD Gathering

We gather here today, to honor the Godfather of modern racialist music. A musician and a revolutionary! A leader and a man of strong convictions! A National-Socialist and a fighter… Ian Stuart Donaldson! Hail!!!

Through his music, he appealed to our people around the globe, and raised their spirit and hope for the New Dawn! His music is widely known throughout the nationalist scene and he himself is regarded as an icon of the Movement! 15 years ago he died in a tragic accident, when he was only 36 years old. Once he said “A pamphlet is read only once, but a song is learnt by heart and repeated a thousand times.” How true -- we still listen to his music and draw inspiration from his songs. Especially today, when our movement is in dire need of extreme -- transformation. This is the time to act! When fighting for your race is considered offensive and hateful, we, the Modern National-Socialists have enough pride and strength of character to fight the enormous odds!

We have been persecuted in the past and we are being persecuted at present, for our ideological convictions and the love for our own race. It’s a shame, when people we once considered the leaders of this movement -- turned cowards and traitors! It’s a shame, when they seek Jewish advice and don’t hear our voices! It’s a shame when they ban symbols, such as the swastika… the very essence of who we are!
Instead, they feed us with lies and expect us to roll over and listen -- never! They call for unity and want us to forget real fighters like: Hitler, Rockwell, Hess and Strasser! They want us to forget the past and merge us, into the conservative wing, so they themselves can become real politicians and gain respect. All for self aggrandizement and greed. They want us to follow their tactics of doom and deception, while slowly destroying the racialist camp from within.

The unavoidable conflict hangs in the air; you can get a whiff of it, and smell the stench! -- a stench of treason which is suffocating us. These inbred impotents “offer” us unity in exchange for control and political correctness!

Comrades, I will say one thing: This is not a family operated business, but a live movement… which, at this point is crystallizing and moving forward! No more pro-Zionist tactics, no more turning to safer ground. No more sacred cows! Sieg Heil!

I have a message, from Ian Stuart in the form of a quote. He said: “I am not the type of person to creep and crawl to a bunch of weak-kneed, pacifist lefties, and two-faced Zionists. One must be honest to people about one's beliefs and especially when the survival of our very race is at stake.”

So, as you see, we won’t deal with the two-faced Zionists who assume leadership! Individuals, who are misrepresenting us, and causing more harm than good. There is no compromise with them, they have to be purged -- so the idea may live! We do not intend to blend with the masses, nor the Republican Party! That’s not tactics, that is suicide, and treason! White Nationalism is geing diverted and hijacked, and we know it. We can read the writing on the wall. They are getting weaker, and making more, and more concessions than ever before. We, the National Socialists, can, and will fight, reactionary politics! It is high noon; tell ourselves the truth, face reality and stop telling stories about unity… when we are dealing with a foe from within, who are nothing more than glorified nationalists with fuzzy and unspecified goals. How can we cooperate with these people, when they are in bed, with the biological vermin?! And trying to undermine everything that we worked for?!

Unity cannot be forged by mere words -- unity cannot stand if we are being lied to and taken for a ride! Stop supporting these white conservatives, it’s a waste of time! They are trying to appeal to the masses, (ha, what an original concept,) to blend in, so there will be no trace left of the 14 Words! This is not acceptable! We are not sheep, we are thinking men and women! We can think for ourselves and we are not afraid, to take the initiative, into our own two hands! We are going ahead and building new structures, independent from the movement we used to know. The status quo is changing, and we are determined to turn things around. Death to reactionary politics!

Today, we are standing together under the swastika banner, the symbol of revolution for white working people across the world. You are the diamonds in the dust, you are the political soldiers that Ian Stuart was singing about! In his memory, I ask you to give him well deserved respect -- and for the traitors and cowards… give them hell!
Sieg Heil Alex, another great speech.
 
Old October 26th, 2008 #4
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Rockwell used the Nazi uniform effectively for shock value and to garner attention. It worked too well, and that's why big jew had him assassinated. We must also remember Rockwell's place in historical context. He was killed only 21 years after World War II ended.

Since then and now in 2008, more then 60 years after World War II ended, big jew has had all of those decades to refine their psychological warfare techniques especially with the aid of their complete control of the mass media. And during those post war decades, the jew has had ample opportunity to thoroughly demonize Hitler and the Nazi to the point where the average lemming shown a mere glimpse of a swastika will froth about the mouth quicker than Pavlov's dog upon hearing the bell.

We can no longer use the uniform or Nazi regalia as a recruiting tool. Even those intelligent and discriminating but racially unaware White men who might be amicable to hear what we have to say will be turned-off at the sight of anything Nazi. The jew has effectively destroyed all of the prestige of nearly all historic White symbols of unity and strength with their relentless mocking and synergistic power brought to bare via control of the mass media organs.

Those of us who know the unvarnished truth of our struggle know that the Nazis were the good guys. We will never let their valiant efforts be forgotten. However, we will not allow the jew's psychological antiNazi-conditioning of the masses hinder our efforts to bring the racially unaware to enlightenment.

It's time for us to honor our heroes of the past in this great struggle by allowing them the dignity of their time, to be their time.

This is our time. We will make our mark upon the pages of history with our own regalia and our own symbols relevant to today. In the greater scheme of things there is nothing more important to us than today. Dwelling upon the past and dreaming of the future will not serve our people. Acting today as if it were the last day of our lives and making the appropriate sacrifice for our cause is the way.

It's time for a gut check. We must ask ourselves how much are we willing to give up so that our posterity will survive? Will we cling to the few scraps that the jew tosses our way while we watch our children slowly die under the weight of this oppressive filth-ridden jew-controlled environment? Will we pray for that monumental catastrophe to happen that will create our opportunity to strike? Or will we continue to wait for that unseen lone wolf to save us?

I urge all to look carefully at the signs of our times and examine one's own core values for the answer. The answer is there intertwined within the helix of our DNA. Our self-preservation instinct demands that we survive. We will survive at all costs. Or we will die trying.

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Old October 27th, 2008 #5
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Rockwell used the Nazi uniform effectively for shock value and to garner attention. It worked too well, and that's why big jew had him assassinated. We must also remember Rockwell's place in historical context. He was killed only 21 years after World War II ended.

Since then and now in 2008, more then 60 years after World War II ended, big jew has had all of those decades to refine their psychological warfare techniques especially with the aid of their complete control of the mass media. And during those post war decades, the jew has had ample opportunity to thoroughly demonize Hitler and the Nazi to the point where the average lemming shown a mere glimpse of a swastika will froth about the mouth quicker than Pavlov's dog upon hearing the bell.

We can no longer use the uniform or Nazi regalia as a recruiting tool. Even those intelligent and discriminating but racially unaware White men who might be amicable to hear what we have to say will be turned-off at the sight of anything Nazi. The jew has effectively destroyed all of the prestige of nearly all historic White symbols of unity and strength with their relentless mocking and synergistic power brought to bare via control of the mass media organs.

Those of us who know the unvarnished truth of our struggle know that the Nazis were the good guys. We will never let their valiant efforts be forgotten. However, we will not allow the jew's psychological antiNazi-conditioning of the masses hinder our efforts to bring the racially unaware to enlightenment.

It's time for us to honor our heroes of the past in this great struggle by allowing them the dignity of their time, to be their time.

This is our time. We will make our mark upon the pages of history with our own regalia and our own symbols relevant to today. In the greater scheme of things there is nothing more important to us than today. Dwelling upon the past and dreaming of the future will not serve our people. Acting today as if it were the last day of our lives and making the appropriate sacrifice for our cause is the way.

It's time for a gut check. We must ask ourselves how much are we willing to give up so that our posterity will survive? Will we cling to the few scraps that the jew tosses our way while we watch our children slowly die under the weight of this oppressive filth-ridden jew-controlled environment? Will we pray for that monumental catastrophe to happen that will create our opportunity to strike? Or will we continue to wait for that unseen lone wolf to save us?

I urge all to look carefully at the signs of our times and examine one's own core values for the answer. The answer is there intertwined within the helix of our DNA. Our self-preservation instinct demands that we survive. We will survive at all costs. Or we will die trying.

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Do you have a battle plan?

I hear a lot of critiques but few solutions on VNN.

I don't intend any disrespect, I would like to know how you think we should precede in order to reach our goals.
 
Old October 27th, 2008 #6
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Costume freaks (that can usually use a couple of hours on the treadmill) are an insult to the actual soldiers that were in the German army during WWII. I don't see what's gained by making a mockery of the Nazi Party (the real Nazi Party). It's maligned enough as it is.
 
Old October 27th, 2008 #7
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In an ever darkening world, it should become obvious to those who are honest with themselves, that the "old" no longer works. Tired tactics of throwing around flyers, useless marches and speeches and any fantasies of bringing back some Third Reich no longer apply to the world and situation that we are in.

A completely new philosophy is in order. One that both borrows certain things from our ancestors and history BUT ALSO from our enemies.

We're dealing with an enemy that has no problem using the most horrendous of things against us and yet some people consider it a good days work after they've thrown some flyers in a neighborhood and come home and look at paintings of medieval knights and reminisce about the "old times" or something.

The key is the "average" white man around the world that still possesses a spark of quality and resistance, considering everything that has been done and all of those who have become traitors. I'm talking about that confused and isolated White Man here and there who is "un-hip" and "un-cool" and nobody could care less about or even notice. He is like an ant being towered by a giant monstrous system that simply overlooks him because he is "obsolete" now. People like that need to have their testosterone and anger rebuilt and magnified so they can control and unleash it when appropriate.

The enemy and traitors are more visible than ever and ripe to be deceived and have discord sown among them and a general running in circles around them by "average guys" like the above.

Just a hypothetical thought anyway.
 
Old October 27th, 2008 #8
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Do you have a battle plan?

I hear a lot of critiques but few solutions on VNN.

I don't intend any disrespect, I would like to know how you think we should precede in order to reach our goals.
I think if you read his post he pretty much puts out a battleplan that's extremely intelligent, sounds logical, and pretty much summed up all of my thoughts I've been thinking recently about these issues.
These sound like some good solutions, it's time for the people to start acting on them.
I think he pretty much layed out his thoughts on what has to be done in order to precede our goals.

The swastika is a special symbol to me, but sadly not many people that wear them have any idea what it's true meaning is.
The only thing I would keep out of the Nazi's would be the Swastika, but bring it back once a movement was already happening.

Awesome post Brutus, we should make it into a flyer.
Flyers are one of the most effective means of reaching people, it's the information contained in the flyer that's to be blamed if it doesn't succeed.
 
Old October 27th, 2008 #9
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Do you have a battle plan?

I hear a lot of critiques but few solutions on VNN.

I don't intend any disrespect, I would like to know how you think we should precede in order to reach our goals.
Chance favors the prepared mind. The only thing we need to do know ia to be ready for when we have a chance. If we have nigger for prez+depression+communist senate & house things can fall apart very quickly.
 
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