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Old September 14th, 2009 #21
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How do you know where his heart is?

He, like you, is an anonymite on the internet.

He deals wholly in generalized blather. Make him debate specifics on any particular issue, he couldn't hold his own with any of the LRC crowd.
How do you know what he can hold and what he can't hold?

Libertarianism was designed to do the very thing it does: create confusion in the political arena.

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Old September 14th, 2009 #22
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Check your assumption to: they only love white race who want gigantic dictatorial control over...individual white men.
Gigantic dictatorial control??? I think we are discussing the real Hitler here, not the Jew Hollywood/History Channel version, you know, the Hitler that stands 30 feet tall, has horns growing out of his head, and has large fangs and green eyes. Yeah, that one.
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #23
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Individualism has been re-defined along humanist lines: government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

The Jews mock our ancestors for their individualism, but the sly Jew has re-defined that individualism. Our ancestors were religious. They believed in God, the Manefest Destiny, and that all men should be guided by the Holy Spirit. Now, that's unity! That's cohesiveness! That's brotherhood! That's a strong central government! A free people, meaning free of domination by other people, united in their allegiance to their God.

Even in paganism, the people are united in their allegiance to their gods and live to fulfill their assigned missions in life in a co-ordinated way.

But the Jew definition if individualism is devoid of any unifying force. We all scatter and live as a divided mass, easily conquered, selfishly persuing our own interests. Having persuaded (tweaked) the masses to believe this humanist rot, the Jews then offer salvation by enticing the people to join some group or faction, a group which the Jew will always pit against an opposing group. Business has their Chamber of Commerce while labor has their unions, for example. These institutions become the news gods. Then, the Jews get the people arguing over which human-designed system or program will work the best for their group or faction. Whatever it is, it must be given power by merging it with the government, a process that ends in Marxism.

Its a funny thing about religious zealots. They can arouse the slumbering masses in a way like no other. Its all very subjective. They paint idealistic scenarios, then use objective examples to sublimate the subjective consciousness of the people. Alter the subjective and you alter the objective. The outer world changes when the inner subjective concept of it is changed. Its like sympathetic magic or mesmerism. All creative work is preceed by imagination.
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #24
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Gigantic dictatorial control??? I think we are discussing the real Hitler here, not the Jew Hollywood/History Channel version, you know, the Hitler that stands 30 feet tall, has horns growing out of his head, and has large fangs and green eyes. Yeah, that one.
You don't think Hitler was a dictator?

Read some history.

It pains me deeply that about 50% of this forum cannot tolerate anything that is not black or white.

Hitler was not the fellow the jews make him out to be, most notably in that he never attempted to genocide the jews. He certainly was a dictator. The fact that a Nazi state would be better than what we have now does not mean there's not a better state than Hitler's still, and that better state is what I'm laying out. You might disagree, but I'm only interested in calm, thoughtful dissent, not in childish rants involving abstractions.
 
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You don't think Hitler was a dictator?

Read some history.

It pains me deeply that about 50% of this forum cannot tolerate anything that is not black or white.

Hitler was not the fellow the jews make him out to be, most notably in that he never attempted to genocide the jews. He certainly was a dictator. The fact that a Nazi state would be better than what we have now does not mean there's not a better state than Hitler's still, and that better state is what I'm laying out. You might disagree, but I'm only interested in calm, thoughtful dissent, not in childish rants involving abstractions.
Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany in a free election. Elections were held every four years. There were competing political parties, I think there were three. Parliament made the law. Hitler was the chief executive. I don't see any difference between the German political system and our own.

No, Hitler was not a dictator. Nor did the Nazi Party seize control of the national government by force, nor did Hitler issue orders and force everyone to obey him as a dictator would.

The only difference between Germany and other western countries was the program of the NSDAP and Hitler's use of the swastika to unite Germans on racial grounds and rail against the Jews.

If you are going to lay out a better state, then you must first understand what kind of state Germany was. Personally, I wouldn't spend the time making the comparison. I don't think renouncing the Treaty of Versailles or dealing with the Polish Corridor has any relevance to us here today. The issues that confronted Germany are not our issues.

It the last election, Hitler only got 56% of the vote, as I recall reading somewhere. Probably no more that half the German people really bought into Hitler's pan-Germanism. I think Germans liked the Party's labor stance, re-uniting the German States, the foreign policy, and the national bank.

But all that was their time. It was their experience. We need something for us today that addresses our concerns and the direction in which we want to go as a nation. We can lecture on nationalism and promote America as a nation-state. We can present solutions to the border problem, bailouts of banks, deficit spending, gun rights, pro-life, anti-porn, the pressing issues. And, more importantly, we need to address the problem of Jewish capitalism. As for developing a philosophy of living, you can talk about it, but it can't be part of a program because people will think you are trying to force them into a lifestyle. Hitler spoke of his weltunchaing (sp), or whatever that was, but it was just his idea of things. He didn't try to impose it on anyone.

We also need to distinguish between party functions and national functions if we are to correctly understand Germany during the 1930s. The Jews mingle the two. Hitler never wore his party uniform except to party rallies and functions. As Chancellor, when officiating in national affairs, he wore his Chancellor's garb. He wore a suit and tie to international conferences. Party parades bore the swastika flag, while national holiday parades bore the German national flag. The separation was always there.

We must also have programs that address immediate needs that are different from long range programs. For instance, we may ultimately want to abolish the income tax but we can't do that now. For one thing, we need to reclaim all the wealth that has been stolen from us by the elite. We need a strong national defense. Its going to take power to straighten out America's problems. After they have been resolved, then we can move toward the ideal, such as decentralization. So we need to explain this so people understand.

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Old September 15th, 2009 #26
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A point I made in the other thread:

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Indeed, there is nothing “libertarian” at all about what we are proposing to do: overthrowing civic institutions and replacing them with a new blut und boden racial order, mass violations of sacrosanct individual rights and property rights, engaging in ‘aggression’ against sovereign individuals in the name of collectivism, engaging in racial and religious intolerance, imposing ethical and aesthetic standards on a libertine populace, etc. A true libertarian (whose mind is governed by universal abstractions) would never entertain such measures. In many ways, the White Nationalist worldview (based solely on collective self interest, not highminded universal principles) is the polar opposite of libertarianism and the other species of liberalism.
If continental expulsion of non-Whites is the ultimate goal of White Nationalism, the White populace will have to be thoroughly dissuaded of their libertarian/liberal beliefs to support our authoritarian programme.
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Old September 16th, 2009 #27
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Sorry I misspelled business Alex.

I'm new to this and granted, I might not be as "learned" as others here, but I do want what is best.

Besides, many books out there contain the "wrong" type of information; sanitized!!

I do not want the government to run everything, Alex. I want them to play the role that is necessary. Libertarianism offers minimal, I want larger in areas where I think they are needed.

Needless mental masturbation is not my style. I am not an intellectual nor do I aspire to be one. I recognize my limitations and my strenghts.

I am not the type of man who is impressed by those that can recite epic poems in Greek, neither I'm I amused by those who can pull "quotations out of their ass. I mean really, what does that prove?! That you have read far too many books and are incapable of independent thinking? It reminds me of those Liberal Professors that live in ivory towers, away from the peasants they claim they understand, yet, secretly, hold contempt for.

I have far more respect and "use" for the illiterate carpenter than I do for the poet who speaks Latin.

Politics seem to work like this, you have the economic side and you have the social side. Currently, in "economics", we have this mindless selfish system based on shallow consumerism. Americans are out there working their asses off to buy useless shit they don't really need like flat screen T.V.'s and iPod's or iPhones or whatever the hell it is. Why is that?

On the social side of things, people, especially the youth, are constantly bombarded with anti-White, pro race-mixing propaganda which they eat by the spoonful. Faggotry and other perversions are promoted and anything resembling self control and modesty is mocked. What effect does this have on society as a whole?

Libertarians seem to want to take this two and make them HARDCORE?!

Alex, what exactly are you offering these people? A more advanced version of what they already have but without the niggers and "culcha'"?! Why would they give up their nigger cocks? Give them up for what?! Plain white bread?! That ain't gonna' happen.

You know, we could learn a thing or two from the Japanese and their more "group" oriented culture. Our "individual" one has left us weak, disenfranchised, disorganized, apathetic, unhappy etc. Libertarianism could not offer us this with it's "individual" mentality. The Japanese seem to be pretty "untouched" don't you think? Now why would that be?!

Oh man I wasn't going to do this but what the hell, here's a "quote" from George Carlin. Enjoy.



"One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian". People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bullshit political philosophy."


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A point I made in the other thread:

Quote:"Indeed, there is nothing “libertarian” at all about what we are proposing to do: overthrowing civic institutions and replacing them with a new blut und boden racial order, mass violations of sacrosanct individual rights and property rights, engaging in ‘aggression’ against sovereign individuals in the name of collectivism, engaging in racial and religious intolerance, imposing ethical and aesthetic standards on a libertine populace, etc. A true libertarian (whose mind is governed by universal abstractions) would never entertain such measures. In many ways, the White Nationalist worldview (based solely on collective self interest, not highminded universal principles) is the polar opposite of libertarianism and the other species of liberalism."

This was written by Prozium. Are you Prozium?
 
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So many Jews push libertarianism because it encourages individualism for whites
Interesting that while libertarianism is a philosophy of individualism, yet still the libertarians in the real world work together much more effectively than White Nationalists do. What explains this paradox?
 
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What a chickenshit remark that is!
Morons always think spelling - which is a proxy for paying attention to detail - is chickenshit. That's why they never get anywhere.
 
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Again, what difference does that make. Give me a man with heart over a man with logic any day. A man with flawed logic can be straightened out; a man without a heart will never grow one.

Could you ever write something like this, Alex? http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed166.html

Until you can feel people’s pain your logic is always going to leave them cold.
Until retards like you realize that beating jews is not done with heart 1/50th as much as it is done with cold attention to detail and fanatical perseverance and determination, we will never get anywhere. We've already tried the braying Klan idiot route - it won't get the job done.

Your blather about heart is just making excuses for idiots and incompetents.
 
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Under a Libertarian system it seems we would replace your big bad government with big bussiness. Big government might have to answer to it's people in one way or another, big bussiness does not.
Yeah, right. How many of their own people did governments kill last century? Answer: more than 100 million. Someone offering your a product or service is not the same as someone sticking a gun in your face and taking all your money and forcing you to join the army/rent your house to a nigger/give free treatment to an illegal alien in your hospital/on and on and on.

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But government with STRONG leadership could be great. Look at what Hitler did with Germany in a short amount of time. He recognized the enemy, called it out and dealt with it.
Or, you could say he incorrectly gauged both jews and British, resulting in an amputed Fatherland and 9 million German dead.

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Libertarians sound as if though they somehow wish to keep the Weihmar Republic with it's decance and libertine attitude but with out the Jews and niggers.
Weimar

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decadence

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I know - what do details matter to a big man like you, dealing with the important stuff. Little men, incompetent men, are the biggest fantasists, and they are the ones in love with STRENGTH!

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Libertarianism in part gave us what we have today. Libertarians don't have the balls to stand up and fight, to do what is necessary to our enemies. The "non-agression" principle. LOL Fuck it. I, WE should instigate aggression when it's necessary for whichever reason. I am for war, I am for expansionism, I am for taking what should rightfully belong to us. Why? Because were BETTER. THAT'S why!!!
Because "were" better. That about sums it up.
 
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I think the signature of Gabry (Ponte) sums up what people should be thinking and feeling:

"You are Nothing, Your Volk is Everything."

Individualism is nothing more than mental jewish trickery. A strong centralised government is the way to go.
 
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I think the signature of Gabry (Ponte) sums up what people should be thinking and feeling:

"You are Nothing, Your Volk is Everything."

Individualism is nothing more than mental jewish trickery. A strong centralised government is the way to go.
No.

You are not nothing. If you are nothing, then the White race is no better than the nigger race.

Would you like your kids indoctrinated at school to turn you in if you made the wrong remark? That's what actually happened with Hitler youth.

Both the race and the individual are something. Both have their proper sphere. Pure collectivism is as wrong and dangerous as pure individualism.
 
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"You are Nothing"

"Are" pertains to existence. "Nothing" pertains to non-existence. A logical fallacy, suitable for a government-lover.

That central state you advocate: Do you want to be the giver, or the receiver, of the bullets?
 
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Hitler was not the fellow the jews make him out to be, most notably in that he never attempted to genocide the jews. He certainly was a dictator. The fact that a Nazi state would be better than what we have now does not mean there's not a better state than Hitler's still, and that better state is what I'm laying out.
Your state? Sorry but since when is softcore anarchism better or even a state? It's bullshit just like the current parasite state. I hope that your country will get left to someone with some brains instead of another experiment into jew shit.

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No.

You are not nothing. If you are nothing, then the White race is no better than the nigger race.

Would you like your kids indoctrinated at school to turn you in if you made the wrong remark? That's what actually happened with Hitler youth.

Both the race and the individual are something. Both have their proper sphere. Pure collectivism is as wrong and dangerous as pure individualism.
A Nation is like the body of a Man.

The Priests are the mind,
the Soldiers are the arms and legs,
and the Workers are the organs.

"You are Nothing, Your Volk is Everything."....there are NO individuals.
 
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Did your volk type the above post?
 
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"You are Nothing"

"Are" pertains to existence.
All things that are naturally deep purple elephants like to dance on the sun.

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"Nothing" pertains to non-existence.
It can pertain to unimportance , if you didn't catch that is what is meant here.

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A logical fallacy, suitable for a government-lover.
Try at least actually taking first order logic 101.

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That central state you advocate: Do you want to be the giver, or the receiver, of the bullets?
Typical Liberal melodrama, you lefty/anarchist types all fit one mold don't you?
 
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"You are Nothing"

"Are" pertains to existence. "Nothing" pertains to non-existence. A logical fallacy, suitable for a government-lover.

That central state you advocate: Do you want to be the giver, or the receiver, of the bullets?
That's the key to understanding about 90% of the ones who think they are NS: they don't realize that the people wielding the whip are .00001% and they would be among the 99.999% getting whipped.
 
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