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Old September 8th, 2014 #41
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I advise remembering Steele by his writings, not the last few years. Lots of unproved assertions by people who may or may not be paid to bruit them.
 
Old September 8th, 2014 #42
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He wasn't in his right mind. That's the key.
Just like most of the people here, right Hadding?

Is that your paid opinion?
 
Old September 8th, 2014 #43
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Just like most of the people here, right Hadding?

Is that your paid opinion?
The funny thing is, while I am being accused of being an evildoer (my recent work on Glenn Miller suddenly being forgotten), if people had listened to me back in 2010 an enormous amount of time, energy, and money that was wasted could have been put to some good use instead, like maybe a defense for Steele that would have had a chance.

A lawyer friend tells me that the kind of defense that I was suggesting for Steele, casting doubt on assumptions about the "intent" of the accused, generally has a much better chance in court than accusing the authorities of a frame-up, which (unless you have an all-Negro jury and a celebrity Negro defendant) requires very solid evidence to succeed.

Steele himself endorsed the idea that he was not in his right mind, as you can read in the letter that he wrote to Jim Giles.

The good news is that in private I am getting way more positive than negative reaction to what I am saying here. So, there probably are significantly more sane than crazy people on VNN Forum, although apparently they don't want to draw attention to themselves.
 
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... if people had listened to me back in 2010 ...
Do you care to make any new prophesies so that four years from now WN can confirm that you are the man WN should be listening to?
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Do you care to make any new prophesies so that four years from now WN can confirm that you are the man WN should be listening to?
It was a matter of stating the obvious.

A lot of people attracted to extreme politics have very unrealistic thinking. They seem to get intoxicated from fantastic notions and over-the-top rhetoric. It's a tendency that has to be curbed if these crazy people are not to shout down and run out the sane people.
 
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It was a matter of stating the obvious.

A lot of people attracted to extreme politics have very unrealistic thinking. They seem to get intoxicated from fantastic notions and over-the-top rhetoric. It's a tendency that has to be curbed if these crazy people are not to shout down and run out the sane people.
Like your idea that NA was not part of the movement. Pierce's desire was that he attract an elite. He did not manage that, unfortunately.
 
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Like your idea that NA was not part of the movement. Pierce's desire was that he attract an elite. He did not manage that, unfortunately.
There is some truth in the criticism that the quality of the membership declined as the NA grew, and even some of the people working in the NA offices toward the end did not understand or share Dr. Pierce's idea about how to move forward.

There is however a difference between the way Dr. Pierce did things and how so-called leaders of the "movement" in general do things.

In the first place, Dr. Pierce was rational and scientific, wary of proceeding or pontificating based on assumptions or inferences that are unsupported by evidence. Dr. Pierce for example would not say that somebody was a Jew without having some kind of documentation, even if that person acted in a totally jewy manner and had a jewy name. Regarding Steele, I am sure that Dr. Pierce would have wanted to see some evidence for Steele's frameup-story, not just take it on faith from Steele.

The other thing is, a lot of these so-called leaders exemplify the saying: "There go my followers! I must hurry to lead them!" I am sure that you can think of some examples of that. "Leaders" who do this are not really leading anything. They are following whatever hysteria happens to be prevalent and encouraging it, which is ultimately a recipe for disaster. Dr. Pierce resisted that tendency.

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Steele himself endorsed the idea that he was not in his right mind, as you can read in the letter that he wrote to Jim Giles.
The information in the letter exchange seems worthy of careful consideration.

The crazy thing to me, as an outsider who was unaware of the events as they were unfolding, is that you, Hadding, assumed a subordinate role in the advocations of Jim Giles as an arbiter of mental health issues.

Putting myself in Edgar Steele's place, I would have been as inclined to follow Jim Giles' advice on mental health evaluations as I would have been to follow Kevin Strom's advice on the selection of child care providers.

What am I missing here? Was there a familiar relationship between Jim Giles and Edgar Steele? Was there a familiar/professional relationship between Jim Giles and one or more members of the audio engineering forensic community?
 
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... The crazy thing to me, as an outsider who was unaware of the events as they were unfolding, is that you, Hadding, assumed a subordinate role in the advocations of Jim Giles as an arbiter of mental health issues.

Putting myself in Edgar Steele's place, I would have been as inclined to follow Jim Giles' advice on mental health evaluations as I would have been to follow Kevin Strom's advice on the selection of child care providers.

What am I missing here? Was there a familiar relationship between Jim Giles and Edgar Steele? Was there a familiar/professional relationship between Jim Giles and one or more members of the audio engineering forensic community?
If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Giles owned a fancy soundboard and engineered his own show. And he's a bright if emotional guy.


Based on the subject of an episode of Radio Free Mississippi, I introduced Mr. Giles to Richard Kelly Hoskins whom he interviewed on his show and it was a good interview. Then he removed it from his RFM archive. I maybe listened to a dozen of Mr. Giles' programs and quit. As was said of Gerald Ford, that he probably played rather too much football without a helmet.
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    Christian Revisionist History, Reformed Christianity, Saxon Identity - Virginia Publishing Company publishes the books of Richard Kelly Hoskins ...
  2. www.richardhoskins.com/1_vpcb.htmBy Richard Kelly Hoskins. The story of the International Trade Cartel. Before a merchant can go to a foreign land and buy and sell he must do two things ...

  3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood The term appears to have originated with author Richard Kelly Hoskins, who introduced the name and concept in his 1990 book, Vigilantes of Christendom ...
All these so called private messages, "thumbs," etc., are fascinating, too. "someone" troubles himself to give me (rare) "thumbs-down" immediately following my posts asking "Hadding" to keep the negatively private and to follow the convention, at such times, of "If you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all." And therefore I assume that such negative feedback matters to the sender and assumes it matters to me.

Part of civilization must certainly mean being populated by the civilized-- the civil. I'm loath not just to think that this Hadding character regards his self so superior to the rank and file here but am fascinated that he shouts it to the membership ostensibly for more mere attention. Conventional child psychology points up that, essentially, if kids don't get attention by being good then they will be bad.

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All these so called private messages, "thumbs," etc., are fascinating, too. "someone" troubles himself to give me (rare) "thumbs-down" immediately following my posts asking "Hadding" to keep the negatively private and to follow the convention, at such times, of "If you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all." And therefore I assume that such negative feedback matters to the sender and assumes it matters to me.
I am enjoying all the POSITIVE feedback that I've been getting. It's an unexpected reassurance. Why aren't you enjoying yours?

Btw that Jefferson quote in your signature is fake.
 
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No Protection: The Long Ordeal of Cyndi Steele
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Hey,Cyndi – if something were to happen to you, or Nicki, or Kelsey, or Rex – do you think it would be considered a hate crime? Probably not – the FBI would love to see you dead. So would everybody else, you stupid Kike.

Hey,Edgar – think long and hard about your buddy Randy Weaver, ‘cause you’re next.F—k’ Kike, n—-r-loving f—-n’ Jew bastard.

Hey,you little Jew bitch – you’re going to hell. Watch out if you leave your house.

Death threats received by the family of Edgar and Cyndi Steele during the 2000 civil trial of Aryan Nation leader Richard Butler
“We are not going to be providing you with any protection,” the federal marshal told Cyndi Steele after she and her son had been ushered into a room in the Kootenai County Courthouse in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. This was not what Cyndi expected to be told. After all, she recently recalled in a telephone interview, “I had just learned that I had been driving around with a bomb on my car.”

That bomb, which had been discovered during an oil change, had been attached to her car by a local handyman named Larry Fairfax, whom Cyndi and her husband Edgar had employed to do some work on their ranch in Sagle, Idaho.

Fairfax, the man who admitted to planting that bomb, served less than a year in federal prison for “possession of an unregistered firearm” and “manufacturing a firearm.” He was granted early release to a halfway house in Coeur d’Alene, a facility “that was nicer than most hotels I’ve visited,” Cyndi wryly observes. He is now living less than two miles away from his victim, who was not granted a restraining order “because I was not in a domestic relationship with him,” she reports.

Edgar Steele, who was convicted – largely on the strength of Fairfax’s self-serving and self-contradictory testimony – of plotting to murder Cyndi, died last Thursday (September 4) in the federal prison in Victorville, California, where he was serving a 60-year sentence.

The jury in the federal trial, which was held before Judge Lynn Winmill in Boise, consisted of eleven women and one man. The prosecution used voir dire to exclude from the panel any potential juror with specialized knowledge of acoustics or explosives, and to weed out anybody who evinced hostility or even skepticism toward the federal government.

It is not an exaggeration to say that the jury was specially crafted to be receptive to the prosecution’s narrative, in which Edgar, a man in his 60s, supposedly hired someone to kill his middle-aged wife in order to allow him to take up with Tatyana Loginova, a nubile Ukrainian woman with whom he had been conversing online.

Cyndi insists that those online chats were part of Edgar’s research into what he described as an extortion scam being run out of the former Soviet Union. However improbable that story might appear, it is more plausible than the idea that an embattled political dissident, facing constant scrutiny by the Feds death threats from politically connected enemies, would conspire to murder the wife who had nursed him through several cardiac-related health crises.

That matter was rendered moot by the fact that the alleged victim didn’t believe for a peeled fraction of a split second that her husband had arranged to kill her, and never filed charges against him. In anticipation of Cyndi’s refusal to collaborate, FBI agent Michael Sotka, who orchestrated the operation, paid Fairfax $500 and sent him to Oregon to make a phone call to Steele’s home, thereby forging the “interstate nexus” used to justify prosecuting him in federal court.

As both Cyndi and Edgar told the story, when Fairfax came to work for them he was upside-down on his mortgage and facing foreclosure. His prospects brightened considerably after he was able to make a substantial payment to the mortgage holder by cashing in a considerable amount of silver coins he had acquired from the Steeles.

Cyndi and Edgar insisted that Fairfax, who had the run of their property, stole about $45,000 in silver from them. Fairfax claimed that he had been given the silver by Edgar as payment in a murder-for-hire plot targeting his wife and mother-in-law. Supposedly stricken by remorse – or, perhaps, to cover up his theft — Fairfax went to the FBI, who fitted him with a digital recorder and sent him back to the Steele family’s ranch to discuss the alleged plot.

No original copy of exists of the digital recording from that June 10, 2010 conversation. Special Agent Michael Sotka violated Bureau procedures by purging it from his recorder after using a computer to upload the digital file to the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia. He did this without a second agent being present, as regulations specify.

Sotka and an Idaho State Trooper named Jess Spike visited Edgar Steele the following day – June 11, 2010 – to tell him that his wife and mother-in-law had been killed. They later admitted that this was a “ruse” intended to prompt Steele into saying or doing something that would incriminate himself in the crime.

Steele, a self-described white nationalist, was an attorney involved in civil litigation on behalf of unsavory and disreputable clients, such as Richard Butler of the Aryan Nation white separatist group. (For reasons made obvious by the photograph accompanying this essay, I have no affinity for that ideology.) Steele had represented Butler ten years earlier after a lawsuit had been filed against his neo-Nazi clique by the equally reprehensible Southern Poverty Law Center. Since that time, he and his family had received numerous death threats, some of which alluded to possible lethal retaliation by the FBI.

Understandably, his first reaction to the grim news on June 11, 2010 was to believe that his family was under siege, and that the federal agent in his living room might well be working in concert with his enemies. Although his wife and mother-in-law were unharmed any suspicions Steele harbored about the role played by the Feds were entirely vindicated. Despite the fact that Edgar did nothing to indicate guilty foreknowledge of the supposed bombing plot, Sotka arrested him anyway.

At the time, Cyndi had traveled from Sagle to Oregon City, Oregon to visit her mother. Nobody told her about the pipe bomb that had been affixed to the undercarriage of her SUV, or a similar device that had been attached to Edgar’s Cadillac. She discovered the bomb – which, it was later disclosed, was essentially a stage prop incapable of being detonated – shortly before going to the courthouse to attend Edgar’s preliminary hearing.

“They played the recording [of the supposed conversation with Fairfax] at the time, and my first reaction was that it didn’t sound anything like Ed,” Cyndi told me. “They played it to me on a couple of other occasions, and every time it changed. In the first version, it was possible at one point to hear the word `bomb,’ but when I heard it again that had been changed to `car bomb.’”

The recordings were analyzed by forensic scientist Dr. George Papcun, who has served as an expert witness and advisor on behalf of numerous law enforcement agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security. Dr. Papcun, who is among the most qualified and respected specialists in his field, detected roughly 300 “transients” and other anomalies in the recording, leading him to conclude that there was “a reasonable degree of scientific probability that they [the recordings] do not represent a true and valid representation of reality and they are unreliable.”

During Steele’s May 2011 trial, the prosecution attempted to exclude both Dr. Papcun’s report and his testimony. Judge Winmill initially ruled that Papcun, who was on vacation in Bora Bora, would be allowed to offer testimony via interactive video conference.

The prosecution objected, claiming that this arrangement would not permit them to “confront” the witness – a right guaranteed to the defense, not the prosecution, by the Sixth Amendment. On May 3, Winmill reversed himself, ruling that Papcun would be permitted to testify only if he were physically present no later than 8:30 a.m. the following morning – which was a physical impossibility. Both Papcun and the defense were willing to pay the expense necessary for the witness to appear on May 5, but Winmill insisted that he simply couldn’t spare another day in order to allow the defense to present its case.

By way of contrast, Winmill permitted the prosecution to present a video-recorded deposition by Tatyana Loginova, the young Ukrainian woman and supposed object of Steele’s extra-marital affecton, who was deposed at a US consulate in Kiev with the help of a Russian language translator.

The evidence against Steele (as I have documented in ample detail elsewhere) consisted of a doctored audio recording, the testimony of an admitted liar and attempted bomber, and a self-serving video deposition by a foreign national from a dubious background who was shielded from effective cross-examination. During jury selection, Assistant US Attorney Traci Whelan subjected potential jurors to invasive scrutiny regarding potential “hidden biases” against “the United States Government.”

“The judge actually instructed the defense on several occasions not to present anything [or] ask any questions, or make any objections that would make the government look bad,” observed attorney Wesley Hoyt, who represented Edgar in his appeal. “We used to have something called the presumption of innocence…. Anybody who was accused of a crime was presumed innocent … the government had to put on enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty. Now there’s a presumption of governmental regularity and correctness. What that means is that the court presumes that everything that the government does is in the regular course of business, and that it’s normal, and it’s OK, and it’s correct.”

Whatever the merits of the federal case against Edgar Steele, the prosecution did not convince the most important jury – the supposed victim.

“From the very beginning they treated me with hostility,” Cyndi related to me. “They did nothing to warn me about having a bomb on my vehicle, then after it was discovered I was explicitly told that I could expect no protection.”

Larry Fairfax, the man who admitted to placing that bomb on Cyndi’s SUV, was ordered to pay her the sum of $900 in compensation. Her husband, who had no hands-on role in the matter, was sent to prison for life. The only “protection” Cyndi received was from a man she was convinced had done him no harm.

“The last time I saw Ed was in November 2011, while he was in the county jail waiting to be transported to prison,” Cyndi recalls. “Our kids were able to visit him in California, but I wasn’t permitted to. We did speak on the phone often, and I was concerned about the fact that he was suffering from severe medical neglect.”

During the months leading up to his arrest, Edgar had experienced severe heart problems and suffered an aneurysm that was nearly fatal. In prison he contracted pneumonia that was left untreated for several weeks. When he tardily received treatment, he was diagnosed with a heart murmur.

About three weeks before he died, Edgar stopped calling, which left Cyndi frantic.

“We were talking about twenty times a month, so the absence of phone calls from Ed was alarming,” she told me. “I couldn’t find out how he was doing. Nobody at the prison would tell me anything. On the day before he died I got a forwarded email from an inmate who was watching Ed’s back that made me very concerned about him. He had been taken from Victorville to testify at a trial in West Virginia, and when he got back Ed was unrecognizable to him.”

“I got back on the writ 6 days ago, and the next day, Friday, Edgar went to the hospital,”wrote the inmate, Jake Laskey, on September 3. “He got back from hospital yesterday and didn’t know who he was nor what unit he lives in, and … he’s back in a wheelchair. I saw Edgar today at lunch. He was being pushed back to Medical and barely recognized me, He was half naked in his wheelchair, skinny as a skeleton, unkempt, and his mind was gone.”

Cyndi hastily made arrangements to fly down to California to meet her children and visit with her husband on September 5. Those plans dissolved after Cyndi received a terse and unexpected phone call from a local mortuary asking what “arrangements” she wanted to make for the disposition of Edgar’s remains.

“The prison administration never contacted me,” Cyndi told me, weary bitterness shading her voice. “We hadn’t been told he was sick, let alone that he was near death. Even now, several days after he passed, the prison hasn’t given me official notice.”

One need not sympathize with Edgar Steele’s views about race to appreciate his willingness as an attorney to defend the rights of clients widely regarded to be despicable. One need not be persuaded of his innocence to entertain abundant reasonable doubt regarding the federal case against him.

The contrast between the draconian punishment inflicted on Steele, and the solicitude displayed by the Feds toward the self-confessed “hitman” amply justifies the belief that Steele was, at best, the victim of selective prosecution – and, at worst, a political prisoner who was effectively murdered by the Regime through focused, deliberate neglect.

If Cyndi had been an actual crime victim, she would have been notified that the man who tried to kill her was dead. But that isn’t the case: Larry Fairfax, the man who placed the bomb on Cyndi’s SUV lives just down the street, in the house he paid for with money he claims to have received as part of the plot to kill her.

Cyndi complains that the Feds lied to her persistently from the moment her husband was arrested, but they told her one incontestable truth: They said that she and her family – who had endured death threats for years — wouldn’t receive any protection, and made good on that promise.
 
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The contrast between the draconian punishment inflicted on Steele, and the solicitude displayed by the Feds toward the self-confessed “hitman” amply justifies the belief that Steele was, at best, the victim of selective prosecution – and, at worst, a political prisoner who was effectively murdered by the Regime through focused, deliberate neglect.
Yes: the feds railroaded him, then dirtnapped him. The facts make that plain as the nose on Shlomo's fugly face.

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If Cyndi had been an actual crime victim, she would have been notified that the man who tried to kill her was dead. But that isn’t the case: Larry Fairfax, the man who placed the bomb on Cyndi’s SUV lives just down the street, in the house he paid for with money he claims to have received as part of the plot to kill her.
So, to top it all off, the scum was allowed to keep his ill-gotten money.

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So, to top it all off, the scum was allowed to keep his ill-gotten money.

Gawd Bless 'Murca 'n' Izrul!!
Of course Larry Fairfax was allowed to keep the money. There's no evidence that he stole it.

I suppose that Ed Steele could have sued him for failure to render services.
 
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Of course Larry Fairfax was allowed to keep the money. There's no evidence that he stole it.

I suppose that Ed Steele could have sued him for failure to render services.
I didn't realize that contract killing was legal in the United States.
 
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Good point. That might be why Steele didn't sue for a refund.

Nobody that received money from The Order was required to give it back either, not even Glenn Miller who admitted receiving such money.

On what grounds should the authorities have taken the money away from Fairfax?
 
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That is unfortunate news--RIP Mr. Steele.
It looks like they are trying to do the same thing to Glenn Miller.
Just tossing this out there for the benefit of debate. Let us
suppose that Steele was innocent of charges...let us also say
for the sake of argument that by publishing his book it put him
in dire straits with ZOG.

Now, if you were in this situation and knew you were sure to die
if not free of this environment, and ZOG offered a plea of say,
"Guilty Of Being A Serial Rapist," and sentenced to time already
served, what would YOU do?

Dr. William Pierce dodged that issue by being intellectually astute.
How many of us can claim that distinction? To be perfectly honest,
I know I am not the sharpest tool in the shed. However, between
that and being incarcerated in a ZOG prison, I know what I would
do in a heartbeat. How about you?
 
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The funny thing is, while I am being accused of being an evildoer (my recent work on Glenn Miller suddenly being forgotten), if people had listened to me back in 2010 an enormous amount of time, energy, and money that was wasted could have been put to some good use instead, like maybe a defense for Steele that would have had a chance.

A lawyer friend tells me that the kind of defense that I was suggesting for Steele, casting doubt on assumptions about the "intent" of the accused, generally has a much better chance in court than accusing the authorities of a frame-up, which (unless you have an all-Negro jury and a celebrity Negro defendant) requires very solid evidence to succeed.

Steele himself endorsed the idea that he was not in his right mind, as you can read in the letter that he wrote to Jim Giles.

The good news is that in private I am getting way more positive than negative reaction to what I am saying here. So, there probably are significantly more sane than crazy people on VNN Forum, although apparently they don't want to draw attention to themselves.
Listen, the insanity defense doesn't really work. If the prosecution can find a rational motive for a crime then it's just a crime. Being "crazy" has nothing to do with an armed robbery of a store, because stealing money is a rational and sane motive. You have to prove that the illegal act is ONLY a product of an insane mind for you to use the insanity defense. If you go next door and shoot your neighbor in the head, then claim that aliens had taken over his mind and you had to stop the alien invasion, maybe you got something there, but if it is discovered that your neighbor was having an affair with your wife, then you got nothing, nothing, no really, nothing, because the motivation of the crime wasn't actually your "craziness" but because your neighbor was fucking your wife. See how that works? So, please stop with the stupid insanity defense nonsense.
 
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Just tossing this out there for the benefit of debate. Let us
suppose that Steele was innocent of charges...let us also say
for the sake of argument that by publishing his book it put him
in dire straits with ZOG.

Now, if you were in this situation and knew you were sure to die
if not free of this environment, and ZOG offered a plea of say,
"Guilty Of Being A Serial Rapist," and sentenced to time already
served, what would YOU do?

Dr. William Pierce dodged that issue by being intellectually astute.
How many of us can claim that distinction? To be perfectly honest,
I know I am not the sharpest tool in the shed. However, between
that and being incarcerated in a ZOG prison, I know what I would
do in a heartbeat. How about you?
Dr. Pierce avoided trouble by doing what Rockwell was advising at least as early as 1965, which is to refuse to tolerate people who engage in loose talk about illegal activity.

As an attorney, Ed Steele was well aware of all that.

The hypothetical case that you state sounds more like Kevin Strom than Ed Steele.
 
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Dr. Pierce avoided trouble by doing what Rockwell was advising at least as early as 1965, which is to refuse to tolerate people who engage in loose talk about illegal activity.

As an attorney, Ed Steele was well aware of all that.

The hypothetical case that you state sounds more like Kevin Strom than Ed Steele.
I only know Steele from his book. I had never met him in person, or
knew of him from any other source other than Bob DeMarais from his
now-extinct 'Thunderbolt Of Truth.' Although both "Defensive Racism"
and "Thunderbolt of Truth" were...shall we say....'controversial,' I don't
recall anything specifically 'illegal' from these sources that was not
protected by the First Amendment.
 
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I only know Steele from his book. I had never met him in person, or
knew of him from any other source other than Bob DeMarais from his
now-extinct 'Thunderbolt Of Truth.' Although both "Defensive Racism"
and "Thunderbolt of Truth" were...shall we say....'controversial,' I don't
recall anything specifically 'illegal' from these sources that was not
protected by the First Amendment.
I think we're talking past each other here. My point is that you get into trouble with talk about illegal activity, and if you aren't doing it yourself or letting people hang around you that talk about or engage in illegal activity, right there you've eliminated probably the biggest danger that causes political dissidents (most notably Matt Hale) to end up in prison.

Dr. Bob didn't get into trouble for Thunderbolt of Truth and Steele didn't get in trouble for Defensive Racism.

Steele got into trouble because he tried to hire Larry Fairfax to kill his wife.

It amazes me that people are ready to believe that the federal government was ready to move heaven and earth to shut down Ed Steele. The guy was conservative and VERY BORING (forcing me to find something else to occupy my ears during his one hour per week on Voice of Reason, because the boringness of his mannered conservative patter was more than I could stand). He doesn't even seem to have been a good lawyer: he lost almost every controversial case that he took.

If you want to avoid being railroaded:
1. Don't break the law and don't engage in discussions about breaking the law.
2. Don't let people hang around you that talk about breaking the law or do it themselves.
3. Don't let a woman who smashes things and screams at you have access to your computer.... Preferably get the hell away from her asap.

Last edited by Hadding; September 20th, 2014 at 12:11 AM.
 
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