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If you can get a Czech one made in the old Mauser works the quality of materials, manufacture and finish is on a par with the US offering. What matters to me, though, is the ability of the weapon to kill the enemy. To a soldier, that is all that matters. The AR is toy. A piece of crap that will not kill a man on a reliable basis. The description of it as a mouse gun is deserved. Thank Wodan I served when our army had the FN FAL (7.62x51). The current rifle, the Styer, uses the same useless calibre as the AR. More than one friend of mine has told me of shooting someone with a Styer and watching as the target did NOT die. The fact is that the AK fires a 150 grain projectile at 715 metres per second, which is 105 metres per second slower than the NATO 7.62x51mm round of the same weight. The AR fires a variety of weights, but most commonly a 55 grain projectile that leaves the muzzle at 1,000 metres per second. The AK round has more than twice the killing power when it hits a target. It will also go through wooden house walls, doors, brickwork, etc. The 5.56x45mm round launched by the AR will not. Bottom line, the AK is a man killer. The AR is a freaking toy that is a liability to everyone who carries one in the fanciful belief that it will actually kill a man when you shoot him. |
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Everyone serious about the subject of offensive rounds (all rounds) needs to ingest this. http://firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf |
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You do realise that there's no set grain quantity to a specific round, right? You can get 7.62x39 in 150 grains, 168 grains and so on. The same with the 223, and all other calibers as well. As for the rest of your post, I don't disagree that the AR has a much weaker round than the AK, but calling it a "toy" is simply preposterous. I'll tell you what I tell people that tell me the 22. is a weak round: if you think it's so weak, then go stand in front of it. End of discussion.
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Your closing proposition is imbecilic. Ask anyone who has been at the pointy end of a war which rifle they would rather have. Perhaps you did not get the memo, but US forces in Afghanistan screamed and bitched until some old M14s were taken out of mothballs . . . because their M16s would not kill the enemy. Watch the news footage and look closely at the rifles they are using for long-range work. They are either M14s or Russian Druganovs. My most of my former comrades who are in Afghanistan use Russian weapons and leave their 5.56mm mouse guns in their lockers. |
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And my imbecilic proposition still stands: go stand in front of a 223 if you think it's a "mouse round", as you put it. If you got shot by an AR in your center mass at 200yds and could still stand up and keep on fighting or search for help, then congratulations, you have 3 testicles. But normally that's not what happens. The AR will still kill at 200-300yds center mass. It may take longer than the AK, but in the long term, you can't possibly survive more than an hour if you got shot on your belly by a battle caliber, or pretty much any other caliber for that matter.
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Projectile-weight is measured in grains, powder-weight in grains. The term applies to both, with the exceptions of powder-weight in shotshells which we measure in drams and, in places in europe, projectile-weight in grams. Your misapprehension belongs to the fact that our table of measurement for small arms ammunition is a strange mixture of the apothecary, avoirdupois and metric systems. I'd guess you'd never studied guns?
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Where have I claimed I'm an absolute expert?
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You write 'born to kill' on your helmet and you wear a peace button.
What is that supposed to be? Some kind of sick joke!
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Well pilgrim...
Only after ya...EAT THE PEANUTS OUTTA MY SHIIIEEET!
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Adam Baldwin.
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Actually, Chris, I expressed myself in a faulty manner. I didn't mean to say that the Krinkov was unreliable, it's just that I, personally, really dislike it. It's obnoxiously loud, the flash on that thing is HUGE, and you can't attach a flash hider on it thanks to that weird muzzle brake. How it has been adopted by certain Special Forces around the world is beyond me.
I believe the AK-100 family suffers from the same problems. At least they have the same weird muzzle brake.
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There are certain silencers that are developed for it. The AK-74U suffers from some over-heating issues, though.
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People I know who have shot men with 5.56mm tell me that it simply does not do the job. One, in particular, put three taps into a man who was running at him (after the promised 72 virgins, I suppose). He saw the blood spurts when the rounds hit. The target barely slowed down. The only reason that he was around to tell me the story was that his platoon sergeant used an AK-47 to cut the bastard in half. All of the above renders the AR-15/M-16 a poor choice of weapon if the intended role is to be a man killer. For hunting foxes or large rodents perhaps, but not large game such as a man. |
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Oh. And there's no such thing as a silencer, people. Yeah. I'm gonna nitpick about that one. |
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Did I say silencer? I meant suppressor.
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Never used a muzzle brake. Can its use damage hearing? Vision?
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Muzzle flash has never blinded anyone that I've heard about. Brakes or not. In low-light and near-dark conditions, depends, but the worst effect is a momentary retinal retention. Like getting a flashlight in the face. And all gunshots damage unprotected ears. But yeah, they're definitely boomers. The loudest thing I've ever heard was a .50 bmg at the range, with muzzle brake, twenty feet to the right.
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