Edgar Steele

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

... and the best way to do that would be simply for his wife to say it's not him.

If it's really not his voice, then Steele will have no problem getting an expert to demonstrate it. In that case his fate really does not depend on whether his wife says that it sounds like him or not.

Telling her to lie about her own impressions in order to prevent the recording from being admitted seems a rather desperate measure.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

He was explicitly instructing her to lie, to put aside her own perceptions and repeat his prescribed mantra, "That is not my husband's voice." He forbade her even to say that it might be him.

No, he did not explicitly tell her to lie, he never used the word. YOU are explicitly lying when you say that he was. It's very suggestive that both you and "Mona Montgomery" show up at the same time and try to sell the same lie.

What's your real name, "Hadding"?

Are you being paid by a third party to make posts here to help the prosecution?

If it's really not his voice then an expert could easily show that, by examining the waveforms created with the pronunciation of specific letters. This technology has been around for decades.

Not if a recording was manufactured out of snips of his voice recombined to form new and unsaid sentences.

Steele's calculation, I think, was that he had a better shot at ordering his wife to prevent the recording from being admitted than at getting an expert to debunk it after it was admitted. Steele is afraid of this recording.

Steele is instructing his wife on the best way to defend him. And he's alerting her to the cost, to her, of her not defending him. But the choice is up to her. And of course, we don't know what kind of psychological or physical pressure government terrorists might be using against her.

[Leonard Rouse]

Originally Posted by Hadding

If it's really not his voice, then Steele will have no problem getting an expert to demonstrate it. In that case his fate really does not depend on whether his wife says that it sounds like him or not.

Telling her to lie about her own impressions in order to prevent the recording from being admitted seems a rather desperate measure.

Huh?

WNs can't get attorneys to defend them when they're blatantly innocent. There will be no audio experts lining up to help. Also, a main tactic here is to divide and conquor via keeping Steele isolated in prison, limiting the defense that can be presented.

You have obviously never been in court, nor do you seem to have any concept of how a trial works. If the tape were of Godzilla roaring and his wife said it were he, he would be convicted.

Regarding, the latter statement, are you sitting in an ivory tower sipping a mint julep?

[Tintin]

Originally Posted by Hadding

If it's really not his voice, then Steele will have no problem getting an expert to demonstrate it. In that case his fate really does not depend on whether his wife says that it sounds like him or not.

Again, given that Steele had less to two hours to analyze the situation, maybe he did not have time to get on the Internet to determine of it is possible to forge somebody voice.

Would you bet your life that a government with a unlimited money and resources could not forge your voice? And even if you would, that is no reason for you expect anybody to bet their life.

Telling her to lie about her own impressions in order to prevent the recording from being admitted seems a rather desperate measure.

What the fuck is your problem?

IT IS A FUCKING DESPERATE SITUATION!

He could be going to jail for the rest of his life.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

If it's really not his voice, then Steele will have no problem getting an expert to demonstrate it.

It has been established that is not true. Why are you lying?

In that case his fate really does not depend on whether his wife says that it sounds like him or not.

If that were true, the government wouldn't be trying to get her to confirm it.

Telling her to lie about her own impressions in order to prevent the recording from being admitted seems a rather desperate measure.

He didn't tell her to lie. If you repeat that lie one more time, you will be banned.

You've told two obvious lies in one post.

Again, what is your motive here?

What is your real name?

Are you being paid to lie in order to help set up Steele?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Tintin

Would you bet your life that a government with a unlimited money and resources could not forge your voice? And even if you would, that is no reason for you expect anybody to bet their life.

They spent literally years and millions of dollars setting up Randy Weaver. And Weaver was a private nobody. Ed Steele just happens to live in the same area, be a trial lawyer who's about 1000x more prominent, and was personally involved in defending against the set up that resulted in the successful theft of Richard Butler's property. So it's far from beyond the pale to suggest that they just might use technology to manufacture a recording to frame him.

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

No, he did not explicitly tell her to lie, he never used the word. YOU are explicitly lying when you say that he was.

Steele doesn't use the word lie but he tells her what to say, and he tells her that she must say it regardless of what she really thinks. That is lying.

That is stating the obvious. If I have to be excluded from the VNN cult for not properly pronouncing the shibboleth then so be it.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Are you being paid by a third party to make posts here to help the prosecution?

Nothing said here is going to affect anybody's attitude toward the case as much as the recording of Steele's interaction with his wife.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Not if a recording was manufactured out of snips of his voice recombined to form new and unsaid sentences.

Forensic audio experts are all about spotting that kind of thing.

[Tintin]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Forensic audio experts are all about spotting that kind of thing.

If a technology has national security uses public "experts" don't mean shit. The big boys work for the government. They have the big bucks to build their own big toys.


Check here for the NSA's budget.

NSA

NSA

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Steele doesn't use the word lie but he tells her what to say, and he tells her that she must say it regardless of what she really thinks. That is lying.

You are now banned for lying, as I said you would be.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by Tintin

Who do you suspect is/was more dangerous in the eyes of the ZOG, Steele or Hale? Obviously Steele.

Why? Because he lost a case to them 15 years ago? Because he was an old guy in poor health who ran a website? What made him such a threat?

The ZOG obviously thought about plans to set Hale up, made a decision to initiated a specific plan, looked for someone that could instigate the plans, approached the person and convinced them it would be in their best interest to join up with the ZOG, successfully executed the plan, massaged the plan the through the legal system, and Hale was found guilty and sent to jail. This cannot be denied.

Why is it hard to believe that the same the is being done to Steele? It reasonable that Steele would have thought so. Obviously he is smarter and will not be tricked as easily as Hale. So if you were trying to set Steele up how would you do it? How would you connect him to a crime? Finger print, visual (picture, video), DNA, voice recording, eye witness? Which one of those would be the easiest to forge? What motive for their be for a crime you could likely set somebody up for? Killing a wife for the money sound pretty obvious. Can you think of another crime that would have a plausible motive? And how would you construct the set up to get the FBI in. Yea, have the evil husband want the mother-in-law, how happens to live in another state, dead.

Really try to think of another scenario that the ZOG would executes that could have Steele sent to jail. This may not be easy if Steele is a guy that spends most of his time sitting around the house on a farm.

Why send him to jail at all? Why take the risk that they are exposed? That somehow he gets off? How much money are they spending to pull this off?

Much cheaper to send someone to his hospital and unplug a few wires. Or slip a drug that makes it look like a heart attack in his coffee.

Think about it this way: if you were the FBI and you wanted to take out Steele how would you do it? This Mission Impossible scenario would be about #100 on my list.

[Alex Linder]

Really, the bottom line here is that Steele would most likely have married a woman who is smart enough to tell whether he intended to murder her or not. It should be pretty clear what's going on here from what emerges at the trial. My main concern is that we expose any information that comes out about government thugs trying to pressure Steele's wife into testifying something she doesn't actually believe.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

No, he did not explicitly tell her to lie, he never used the word. YOU are explicitly lying when you say that he was. It's very suggestive that both you and "Mona Montgomery" show up at the same time and try to sell the same lie.

What's your real name, "Hadding"?

Are you being paid by a third party to make posts here to help the prosecution?

Why would posts on VNN help the prosecution?

[Alex Linder]

Forensic audio experts are all about spotting that kind of thing.

You are such a querulous little twink. Yeah, the government doesn't have access to the latest technical tools. No way they could pull off a successful fake recording. And it would be easy for some sick old guy who's had his money stolen by the persecutors prosecuting him to hire a bunch of experts and prove the government is lying. You are a wimpy little snake and we are well flushed of you.

[Leonard Rouse]

Lurker is another one that has come out the woodwork at the most convenient time, and then only to kick someone when they're down.

But you're really "one of us", right, hence your name?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Lurker

Why would posts on VNN help the prosecution?

They would help cover up a frame by discouraging the group of people from which support and publicity for Steele would be likeliest to emerge.

[MikeTodd]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

They spent literally years and millions of dollars setting up Randy Weaver. And Weaver was a private nobody. Ed Steele just happens to live in the same area, be a trial lawyer who's about 1000x more prominent, and was personally involved in defending against the set up that resulted in the successful theft of Richard Butler's property. So it's far from beyond the pale to suggest that they just might use technology to manufacture a recording to frame him.

They have the ways, the means, and the will to set up anybody at any time for any reason. What they don't have are Hitlers so they're not above taking what they can get to justify their budgets, Hale, Weaver, Steele, et al.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by MikeTodd

They have the ways, the means, and the will to set up anybody at any time for any reason. What they don't have are Hitlers so they're not above taking what they can get to justify their budgets, Hale, Weaver, Steele, et al.

Yep. Only fools who haven't read the full and true story of Ruby Ridge, OKC, WTC demolitions, Pearl Harbor, the history of the FBI, the Greensboro setup, Waco Branch Davidian fire-murder - only these fools who don't grasp the motivations and murderous mendacity of the gangsters called government. Steele will not get a fair trial, even if he's guilty. The court and the media will be against him, again, even if he is guilty. That will not be the case here. Here, the presumption will be that he is innocent, and anyone arguing against that better be wearing their Sunday best and behave damned respectfully or he will be shown the door.

[Leonard Rouse]

Attorney General Eric Holder, the HMIC of the Steele case:

“You – the members of the Anti-Defamation League – and I go way back. I first began convening meetings with members of the ADL in the early 90′s when I served as the United States Attorney in Washington, D.C. . . At that time I expressed my deep appreciation for the fact that you always have served as indispensable allies in some of the most important work our government does. And now, tonight, I once more have the opportunity to stand in solidarity with you, and to thank you for your constant, steadfast work to create a better country. A country free of discrimination; a country free of violence; a country free of hate. The Obama Administration could ask no better partner than the Anti-Defamation League as we jointly strive to attain the ideals of equal opportunity, equal rights, and equal justice for all. Members of the ADL – I salute you.”

2009 "American Heritage" (sic) Dinner
http://www.adl.org/Civil_Rights/speech_Eric_Holder.asp

YouTube- Holder Admits: No Equality Under Hate Bill - by Ted Pike

YouTube- Holder Admits: No Equality Under Hate Bill - by Ted Pike

May 2010 Anti-Defamation League National Leadership Conference
http://www.adl.org/Civil_Rights/spee...older_2010.asp

Holder's Battle for a Hate Crimes Law
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives...lders_batt.php

[Tintin]

Originally Posted by Lurker

Why? Because he lost a case to them 15 years ago? Because he was an old guy in poor health who ran a website? What made him such a threat?

What made Hale or Weaver at threat?

What made a rather uneducated failed artist who lived in a hostel who never had a real job who associated with lower levels of society who had "one testicle" who was a "fag" who had an "incestuous relationship with his niece" who lived in central Europe in the first half of the 20th century who happened to write one book that detailed the nature of the jew a threat?

Why send him to jail at all? Why take the risk that they are exposed? That somehow he gets off? How much money are they spending to pull this off?

Much cheaper to send someone to his hospital and unplug a few wires. Or slip a drug that makes it look like a heart attack in his coffee.

Think about it this way: if you were the FBI and you wanted to take out Steele how would you do it? This Mission Impossible scenario would be about #100 on my list.

Really? How would you take him out? Remember, you can't use the old sawed off shot gun trick (Weaver), or the old assassinate a federal judge trick (Hale), or the old downloading child porn trick (Strom), or the old threatening tenets (White) trick, ... . Need to have some new idea or somebody may start noticing a pattern.

[Alex Linder]

Think about it this way: if you were the FBI and you wanted to take out Steele how would you do it? This Mission Impossible scenario would be about #100 on my list.

The same could be said of Matt Hale, but what did they do? They hired some clown to pretend to be his friend, over years, and then set him up via a phone call. Would have been a lot simpler just to kill Hale. Same thing with Randy Weaver - over two years of attempted entrapment.