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Old July 19th, 2015 #181
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Pierce was an excellent social commentator, but awful ideologue. Cosmotheism is retarded, and he more or less inferred that the justification for its inception had to do with tax issues.

The Kulturkampf is over, the Christians lost, but the victors are even worse. Somebody's religious beliefs are not your business or mine. Many Christians are anti-white or cultural marxists, but most atheists are as well.

Blaming just Christianity, which I myself don't subscribe to and don't have any sentimental relation to, is just a scapegoat. By blaming Christianity or its churches, ironically, you take its claim that it is some omnipotent force guiding society seriously, when in truth theology generally changes and flip flops depending on the current zeitgeist.

Winston Churchill was, according to his latest biographers, an atheist. Father Tiso, the leader of the Slovakian Nationalsocialists, was a Catholic Archbishop. Leon Degrelle himself was a devout Christian. Things are not so cut and dry.

Besides, from what I know, Trad youth's upcoming political vehicle will more or less be secular and accept people with any confession (or lack thereof). Where is the debate here?

Anti-Christian crusaders that can't let it go for even 5 minutes to collaborate on something more important are just as obnoxious as trad Catholics and bible-thumping Baptists in the movement.
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Old July 19th, 2015 #182
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It is not a question of either or. I'm not a Christian. And I'm not a Cosmotheist either.

I reject both. Reality is reality. What happens in reality is the reality. There is no inherent higher meaning to our existence or a 'God' in the skies watching us when we all get down to the real facts.
Rejecting Cosmotheism actually is just rejecting Reality.
Reality is actually just all the Cosmos as a unified Whole.
There actually is an inherent higher meaning to our existence.
You are just ignorant of it. Many are ignorant of such true things.
However, you are correct that the Semitic idea of a Personal Anthropomorphic
"God" in the skies is watching us is all nonsense or when we do all get down to
all of the real facts.
 
Old July 19th, 2015 #183
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Rejecting Cosmotheism actually is just rejecting Reality.

The only person rejecting reality is you. You do not want to face the reality that many Christians are also pro white. No one else here pushes their religous/athiest/pagan views like you do. They just accept that we are all fighting for the one reason and that is the preservation of our race. You on the other hand sound more like an evangelical tv preacher that can only focus on your religious views and anyone who disagrees with you is a troll in your eyes.
 
Old July 19th, 2015 #184
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Pierce was an excellent social commentator, but awful ideologue. Cosmotheism is retarded, and he more or less inferred that the justification for its inception had to do with tax issues.

The Kulturkampf is over, the Christians lost, but the victors are even worse. Somebody's religious beliefs are not your business or mine. Many Christians are anti-white or cultural marxists, but most atheists are as well.

Blaming just Christianity, which I myself don't subscribe to and don't have any sentimental relation to, is just a scapegoat. By blaming Christianity or its churches, ironically, you take its claim that it is some omnipotent force guiding society seriously, when in truth theology generally changes and flip flops depending on the current zeitgeist.

Winston Churchill was, according to his latest biographers, an atheist. Father Tiso, the leader of the Slovakian Nationalsocialists, was a Catholic Archbishop. Leon Degrelle himself was a devout Christian. Things are not so cut and dry.

Besides, from what I know, Trad youth's upcoming political vehicle will more or less be secular and accept people with any confession (or lack thereof). Where is the debate here?

Anti-Christian crusaders that can't let it go for even 5 minutes to collaborate on something more important are just as obnoxious as trad Catholics and bible-thumping Baptists in the movement.
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Pierce was an excellent social commentator, but awful ideologue.
On the contrary, Dr. Pierce was actually both an excellent social commentator and even better ideologue.

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Cosmotheism is retarded, and he more or less inferred that the justification for its inception had to do with tax issues.
Sorry Joe Smith, but, really you are just full of it.
Cosmotheism is not for such retards like yourself and it was not "created" for any tax issues.
You must have gotten that stupid idea from the ADL or SPLC.
Cosmotheism is a panentheism that evolved out of pantheism and it resonates with all of the best knowledge of both our modern science and of both ancient and current philosophy.
You really have no real idea or clue of what you are all talking about here.

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The Kulturkampf is over, the Christians lost, but the victors are even worse. Somebody's religious beliefs are not your business or mine. Many Christians are anti-white or cultural marxists, but most atheists are as well.
No.
This war has been going on for centuries and the enemies of all life have only had the real upper hand or ever since the end of the second world war.
Actually, you are quite mistaken in that regard.
Religion, or the lack thereof, all does matter.
They are what most determines any cultural values and/or morals.
Again, your lack of knowledge of this fact causes you to not understand these issues.

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Blaming just Christianity, which I myself don't subscribe to and don't have any sentimental relation to, is just a scapegoat. By blaming Christianity or its churches, ironically, you take its claim that it is some omnipotent force guiding society seriously, when in truth theology generally changes and flip flops depending on the current zeitgeist.
I don't just blame all Christianity, but, it is no innocent scapegoat either.
If you knew a little bit more about its history and how it has prevented our race from
knowing who we are and what our own true purpose in life and in cosmos is you just
would not be making any such foolish statements.
All Christianity is a alien Semitic ideology and value-system and worldview that's not compatible with White/Aryan survival and advancement

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Winston Churchill was, according to his latest biographers, an atheist. Father Tiso, the leader of the Slovakian Nationalsocialists, was a Catholic Archbishop. Leon Degrelle himself was a devout Christian. Things are not so cut and dry.
That was then, and this is now.
Today all Christianity is a spiritual AIDS for our own White/Aryan racial survival and our own White/Aryan advancement ever towards our potential destiny.

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Besides, from what I know, Trad youth's upcoming political vehicle will more or less be secular and accept people with any confession (or lack thereof). Where is the debate here?
You have only demonstrated here that you really don't know much about fifth columns and how they work but allowing and accepting people of any religion is foolish and reckless and doomed to failure over the long haul.
There is no debate. It is just a fact. I wish them luck as they are really going to need it.
All Christianity is really just a trojan horse in any so-called White racialist or WN group
today.
Why not just be another AR and JT and just also let Jews in as well?

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Anti-Christian crusaders that can't let it go for even 5 minutes to collaborate on something more important are just as obnoxious as trad Catholics and bible-thumping Baptists in the movement.
Hardly.
I have already stated elsewhere which "Christians" all true Cosmotheists are both willing and able to collaborate with or work with and which ones we will not.
All those that ALWAYS put the interests of their own White/Aryan race ahead of their own delusional and alien and Semitic superstition and if any are at all otherwise than not.

No.
Nothing is more obnoxious than any such fundamentalist Christians trying to convert all others.
Cosmotheism is not for everyone.
Some people prefer to live with their falsehoods and superstitious delusions.
We true Cosmotheists do leave all such pathetic people alone, just as one would and should
with anyone that is just so mentally and spiritually unbalanced.

Cosmotheism is only for the mental and spiritual elite of our White/Aryan race.
To embrace it requires actual intellectual honesty and moral courage and all of which is all mostly lacking in the majority of our people today.

We true Cosmotheists are the true Vanguard of a New People, a new sub-Race, and of a higher Consciousness, that will ever work towards our own true potential Aryan/White racial destiny of
which is the eventual Self-realization of the Creator or Cosmos.

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Old July 19th, 2015 #185
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The only person rejecting reality is you. You do not want to face the reality that many Christians are also pro white. No one else here pushes their religous/athiest/pagan views like you do. They just accept that we are all fighting for the one reason and that is the preservation of our race. You on the other hand sound more like an evangelical tv preacher that can only focus on your religious views and anyone who disagrees with you is a troll in your eyes.
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The only person rejecting reality is you.
Coming from just a delusional Christian troll that is most amusing.

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You do not want to face the reality that many Christians are also pro white.
On the contrary, I just do recognize the fact that being so-called "Pro-White"
is just not good enough.
Having actual intellectual honesty and moral courage is required to be truly Aryan or "Noble".

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No one else here pushes their religous/athiest/pagan views like you do.
Thank you, but, those are all actually religious and philosophical and/or Cosmotheist
World-views, and not any atheist nor pagan ones, whatsoever.

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They just accept that we are all fighting for the one reason and that is the preservation of our race.
Nope.
True Cosmotheists are not fighting for just that one reason or just for just the preservation of our race, as necessary as that is to achieve our true purpose.
We are fighting for what the Aryan/White race could potentially become and to achieve its true destiny in the self-actualization of the Creator or Cosmos.

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You on the other hand sound more like an evangelical tv preacher that can only focus on your religious views and anyone who disagrees with you is a troll in your eyes.
LOL!
Hardly again.
The evangelical tv preacher is preaching Semitic superstition and delusions and a false religion based upon them.
I focus upon all of the whole truths of reality.
Like Dr. Pierce, I am really much more of a teacher than I am any preacher.
That is quite a very big difference. I focus on what is Reality, itself, within.
It requires intellectual honesty and moral courage in about equal measure,
or actual Personal Integrity.

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Old July 19th, 2015 #186
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Rejecting Cosmotheism actually is just rejecting Reality.
Reality is actually just all the Cosmos as a unified Whole.
There actually is an inherent higher meaning to our existence.
99% of species that ever lived are extinct, and we Whites will soon join them if we don't do something to prevent it. The cosmos got along without Whites for billions of years and if we fail it will continue without us.

Cosmotheism has no churches, no rituals, no inspiring leaders (Pierce was lukewarm about it at best), virtually no followers and no future.

Time to cut your losses and move on.

And learn to post without hitting enter at the end of each sentence. In fact, that should be your number one priority.
 
Old July 20th, 2015 #187
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99% of species that ever lived are extinct, and we Whites will soon join them if we don't do something to prevent it. The cosmos got along without Whites for billions of years and if we fail it will continue without us.

Cosmotheism has no churches, no rituals, no inspiring leaders (Pierce was lukewarm about it at best), virtually no followers and no future.

Time to cut your losses and move on.

And learn to post without hitting enter at the end of each sentence. In fact, that should be your number one priority.
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99% of species that ever lived are extinct, and we Whites will soon join them if we don't do something to prevent it. The cosmos got along without Whites for billions of years and if we fail it will continue without us.
True enough. But, all life on earth literally depends upon Whites/Aryans not only surviving but advancing in both consciousness and being or 100% of all life will be lost. That fact is what brain-less twits like you trolls all don't just get nor care to understand.
Malignant Narcissism is just the actual Semitic Race-soul of all of those victims and dupes that are so infected by and are so inculcated in it, both atheism and All Christianity, that they just are blind to whole truths of reality.
What else isn't new?

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Cosmotheism has no churches, no rituals, no inspiring leaders (Pierce was lukewarm about it at best), virtually no followers and no future.
All untrue. The world is our church, we do have rituals, and Dr. Pierce
and his followers do have many inspiring leaders and teachers both of
the past and present. We are the future. You are the past and just do
not realize that fact yet. We will do what you are both unwilling and are
just unable to do: Save the Aryan/White race and all life from extinction.
All Christianity is just a Semitic death sentence for our Aryan/White race.

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Time to cut your losses and move on.
Hardly.
We have only just begun to conquer the minds and souls of the best of our Aryan/White race.
You can have and keep the dregs that actually do lack any intellectual honesty and moral
courage or any actual Personal Integrity.
Good luck with that.

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In fact, that should be your number one priority.
Actually, your not being such a troll should be your number one priority.
But, then, is that not your own actual purpose of posting here at VNN?
If not, most here just can't see it as actually ever being any otherwise.

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Old July 20th, 2015 #188
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Whites are fleeing from from blacks and the Confederate flag gives them hope that they can run fast enough.
MSM claims Multiculturalism is creating love between the black brothers and white sisters, mulatto children are seen everywhere.
Yids in retirement communities are proud because they got the blacks free rent and the coke to snort 24/7.
 
Old July 20th, 2015 #189
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Whites are fleeing from from blacks and the Confederate flag gives them hope that they can run fast enough.
MSM claims Multiculturalism is creating love between the black brothers and white sisters, mulatto children are seen everywhere.
Yids in retirement communities are proud because they got the blacks free rent and the coke to snort 24/7.
You are really just an annoying troll, polnick!

The ovens are now a little too cold for you.

Perhaps, we can still help you out with what you only do deserve?

After a fair trial of course.
 
Old July 20th, 2015 #190
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Cosmotheism is retarded
I can't think of anything stupider than worshipping our enemy's god, but I have to give credit to TardYouth for acting as a metaphysical rearguard attempting to keep the door of Transcendence open long enough for the current crop of Western racial atheists to reach the far side of the nihilistic divide where Cosmotheism is attempting to build a beachhead.

I feel the same way, on a much larger scale, about Russia.
 
Old July 20th, 2015 #191
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I can't think of anything stupider than worshipping our enemy's god, but I have to give credit to TardYouth for acting as a metaphysical rearguard attempting to keep the door of Transcendence open long enough for the current crop of Western racial atheists to reach the far side of the nihilistic divide where Cosmotheism is attempting to build a beachhead.
Secular jews have been kicking the shit out of metaphysical Whites since they got out of the ghetto, stopped studying the Talmud and started studying and working in the real world.

You act as if Whites needed some metaphysical reason to survive. We don't, we just need to get the rest of our race to notice that their survival is at stake. Once most Whites notice they'll start fighting back.
 
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True enough. But, all life on earth literally depends upon Whites/Aryans not only surviving but advancing in both consciousness and being or 100% of all life will be lost. That fact is what brain-less twits like you trolls all don't just get nor care to understand.
If the jews win it's possible that the human species will die off, assuming they're able to infect China, South Korea and Japan.

But that's not likely. When other races see what the jews did to their White hosts the jews won't be welcomed. Most likely the jews will go to Israel, Europe and North America will become like South America and life will go on without us.

You're trying to convert a question of White survival into some kind of Marvel comic where the cosmos depends on stopping the jews from getting the infinity gems.

The stakes are much easier to grasp. Will Whites live or die?

"Come with us if you want to live."
 
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Secular jews have been kicking the shit out of metaphysical Whites since they got out of the ghetto, stopped studying the Talmud and started studying and working in the real world.

You act as if Whites needed some metaphysical reason to survive. We don't, we just need to get the rest of our race to notice that their survival is at stake. Once most Whites notice they'll start fighting back.
Of course, Sam, but if I hadn't created a metaphysical context for my comment, how else could I have debuted my neologism: TardYouth?

If you don't get your priorities right, Sam, not only will the White race die, but you'll fail to see any humor in it, and that, my friend, would be a real tardegy.
 
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Secular jews have been kicking the shit out of metaphysical Whites since they got out of the ghetto, stopped studying the Talmud and started studying and working in the real world.

You act as if Whites needed some metaphysical reason to survive. We don't, we just need to get the rest of our race to notice that their survival is at stake. Once most Whites notice they'll start fighting back.
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I can't think of anything stupider than worshipping our enemy's god, but I have to give credit to TardYouth for acting as a metaphysical rearguard attempting to keep the door of Transcendence open long enough for the current crop of Western racial atheists to reach the far side of the nihilistic divide where Cosmotheism is attempting to build a beachhead.

I feel the same way, on a much larger scale, about Russia.
Indeed, and of which is therefore only just worshipping the Semitic enemy itself!
We will build a beachhead totally regardless of what any others do, Jimmy.

We still do wish them well but won't ever rely upon them to actually
ever both hold the metaphysical rearguard and nor keep the door of
Transcendence open long enough for White/Aryan racial atheists to
"finally get it" either. Nihilism is to atheism what Egotism is to all and
or to any such Semitic alien and anthropomorphic Personal Theism or
all Christianity: Dead Ends for our Racial Survival and Advancement.

We will watch Russia to see if it can free itself from the bigger enemy
of our Aryan/White race but even if she does will still have the Semitic
enemy all within to contend with to succeed and all over the long haul.
 
Old July 20th, 2015 #195
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If the jews win it's possible that the human species will die off, assuming they're able to infect China, South Korea and Japan.
No, it's not just possible, it is just very likely that ALL LIFE on this planet will become extinct if the Jews win.
That is what you just can't understand here.

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But that's not likely. When other races see what the jews did to their White hosts the jews won't be welcomed. Most likely the jews will go to Israel, Europe and North America will become like South America and life will go on without us.
Nope.
You still really just don't understand what a Jewish/Semitic victory and the actual extinction of the White/Aryan race will mean for ALL LIFE on this little planet.
If we go, ALL LIFE will go along with it in time.

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You're trying to convert a question of White survival into some kind of Marvel comic where the cosmos depends on stopping the jews from getting the infinity gems.
Funny that you would mention Marvel comics, or just another Semitic or Jewish propaganda tool.
That aside, yes, ALL LIFE on this planet quite literally actually does depend upon Whites/Aryans
racial survival and advancement.
You just don't get it.

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The stakes are much easier to grasp. Will Whites live or die?
Not just those stakes, but, ALL LIFE on this planet are the actual stakes.
That is what you are just failing to grasp, Sammy.

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"Come with us if you want to live."
LOL!
Sure Arnold.
Miscegenation with a Mestizo maid is not how us true Cosmotheists really do want to live!
Just ask Maria.
 
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Well I'm glad I wasted my time reading that post where you just repeated the same thing over like 5 times in a row.

Actually I'm wrong, you elevated its severity in each iteration. At least you know how to make claims based on evidence.

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Miscegenation with a Mestizo maid is not how us true Cosmotheists really do want to live!
Just ask Maria.
Autism

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Well I'm glad I wasted my time reading that post where you just repeated the same thing over like 5 times in a row.

Actually I'm wrong, you elevated its severity in each iteration.

Autism
Actually, all of that repetition is just for all those here at VNN that just don't get it!
Like the repetition of a time bomb going tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, all up to zero hour.
You do have no idea just how severe and/or how wrong all that just do deny it are being.

Autism indeed! LOL!

Maybe a video and picture and a link might help you out here too, varg:
See also:
http://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=1083

"I told you earlier that my message today is both reality and metaphor. Our world is in danger from cosmic catastrophe — and we need better minds and better men to protect ourselves. All true. But we are experiencing a catastrophe of cosmic proportions right here, right now. A parasitic subspecies of man which resembles us in externals but possessing a unique and alien mentality has captured and replaced our race’s leadership and taken over our means of communication. It has implanted memes in our culture and in our minds that are disrupting our reproductive behavior and causing us to commit racial suicide — and which are also causing us to serve and feed and fight for the parasite instead of for ourselves.

As I said, I mention the subject of inevitable space-borne catastrophe as but a single example of the challenges we will face that will require the best minds that our race can produce for their solution. The next challenge may be different: a new virus ten times more tenacious and deadly than AIDS, a superhurricane that makes Katrina look like an April shower, a doomsday weapon developed by China or Israel that holds all civilization hostage, a sudden change in the Gulf Stream triggering catastrophic climate change with no comet or asteroid needed — who knows what may come? The issue which screams for our attention is not only are we going to be ready when disaster strikes? – but also what are we doing to ourselves? — how are we ourselves changing, and do those changes militate for our survival or against it when zero hour comes?

When that hour comes, will we as a race and as a civilization stand poised with our best minds in control of an advanced technology able to literally change the fate of star systems — so that our genetic patterns will live on and advance forever, whatever the cosmic challenge?

Or will we be mired in the genes of the jungle, ruled — despite the presence of a few high-IQ Whites — by the needs and desires of the primitives among us, and stand helpless holding our TV remotes, our fast food wrappers, and our “holy books” — unable to do anything to alter the onrushing death of our world?

The choice is ours, ladies and gentlemen. The choice is ours."

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Old July 20th, 2015 #198
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Cosmotheism is only for the mental and spiritual elite of our White/Aryan race.
To embrace it requires actual intellectual honesty and moral courage and all of which is all mostly lacking in the majority of our people today.

We true Cosmotheists are the true Vanguard of a New People, a new sub-Race, and of a higher Consciousness, that will ever work towards our own true potential Aryan/White racial destiny of
which is the eventual Self-realization of the Creator or Cosmos.
What fucking elite. Aryans bred themselves out of existence centuries ago. Do the Iranians look white to you? Also not all whites go along with your view that all whites are descended from these Aryans. Nor will the average white person go along with you claiming a known child stalker is somehow elite just because he practices a religion you approve of.
You have a severe ego problem if you think that hating other whites makes you elite or puts you in the vanguard
 
Old July 21st, 2015 #199
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No, it's not just possible, it is just very likely that ALL LIFE on this planet will become extinct if the Jews win.
That is what you just can't understand here.
Why? The comet that killed the dinosaurs didn't kill all life. Life isn't as easy to get rid of as you think. There are organisms that live near volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean. And these tough little creatures can survive in the vacuum of space.

In the event of another mass extinction (there have been several, some much worse than the one that killed the dinosaurs) new plants and animals would evolve to fill the vacancies left by those that didn't make the cut.

If life can survive a comet impact it can survive a few million dirty kikes.

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Miscegenation with a Mestizo maid is not how us true Cosmotheists really do want to live!
Just ask Maria.
The Terminator didn't miscegenate with anyone. You know Arnold was acting, right?
 
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Of course, Sam, but if I hadn't created a metaphysical context for my comment, how else could I have debuted my neologism: TardYouth?
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