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Old July 8th, 2006 #1
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Just in case anybody's interested, I came across this website searching yahoo. Good stuff including the history of Aryan Man as well as some delving into metaphysical tradition, Evola, etc., which is worth the read. Also mentions something called "Cardial civilization" which is apparently an alleged 10,000 year old agricultural society from the south of France, indicating Cro-Magnon man in Europe might have independently developed farming without the need for its entry from the near east. I'd read something about this on the jew Michael Bradley's site a while back but never found any confirmation of the claim. Bradley is the jew who wrote "The Iceman Inheritance."

However, this Aryan Futurism site apparently belongs to an admitted homosexual. Here's a sample:

"Homosexual sex is of a different order from straight sex; on a mundane level it is never associated with re-production. On a more profound level it dispenses with mundane reality (male/ female). Unlike dualistic sex which is domestic, tame and aims at harmony through the balanced polarities of male and female, homosexual sex multiplies “sameness”, “oneness” and consequently is “wild”, singular, non-dual, more concentrated and therefore more powerful."
 
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Just in case anybody's interested, I came across this website searching yahoo. Good stuff including the history of Aryan Man as well as some delving into metaphysical tradition, Evola, etc., which is worth the read. Also mentions something called "Cardial civilization" which is apparently an alleged 10,000 year old agricultural society from the south of France, indicating Cro-Magnon man in Europe might have independently developed farming without the need for its entry from the near east. I'd read something about this on the jew Michael Bradley's site a while back but never found any confirmation of the claim. Bradley is the jew who wrote "The Iceman Inheritance."

However, this Aryan Futurism site apparently belongs to an admitted homosexual. Here's a sample:

"Homosexual sex is of a different order from straight sex; on a mundane level it is never associated with re-production. On a more profound level it dispenses with mundane reality (male/ female). Unlike dualistic sex which is domestic, tame and aims at harmony through the balanced polarities of male and female, homosexual sex multiplies “sameness”, “oneness” and consequently is “wild”, singular, non-dual, more concentrated and therefore more powerful."

It is a great blog and seems to be quite prominent on search engines.
 
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Well, you know, I myself do not consider homosexuality to be an Aryan virtue. It is an abnormality that is way beyond my comprehension. I really do not understand why men want to be intimate with other men. I understand this no more than I understand why White women want to be intimate with a niggar. And even if I understood it, I would not consider either way to be an Aryan virtue. I would still consider it to be some sort of abnormality. Like kind can live with like kind. And if they cannot, they can suffer the consequences. In the meantime, they do not have the right to call themselves Aryan. An Aryan would not live this abnormal life. If one lives this abnormal life, one is not Aryan.
 
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I have a higher opinion of a racially aware homosexual than an anti-racist heterosexual, that's for sure.
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Well, you know, I myself do not consider homosexuality to be an Aryan virtue. It is an abnormality that is way beyond my comprehension. I really do not understand why men want to be intimate with other men. I understand this no more than I understand why White women want to be intimate with a niggar. And even if I understood it, I would not consider either way to be an Aryan virtue. I would still consider it to be some sort of abnormality. Like kind can live with like kind. And if they cannot, they can suffer the consequences. In the meantime, they do not have the right to call themselves Aryan. An Aryan would not live this abnormal life. If one lives this abnormal life, one is not Aryan.
Playing `Devil`s Advocate` here but is`t the reaction of repulsion experienced by most National Socialists and White Nationalists towards homosexuality more an expression of Christian `morality` than anything else?
Are we not then guilty of projecting a Jewish Christian `morality` upon the National Socialist Weltanschauung?
 
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I never really thought about it that way before. I can understand fondness/loyalty between the same sex. I cannot understand sexual acts with the same sex. Quite frankly, I do not understand sex as a prime motivator at all. This does not mean that I expect others to feel the same way. I just have to wonder what is different with a one who prefers sex with the same gender. Such role playing involved, among other things. Good morals did not come from either christianity or judaism. The natural order of things is male with female. This has nothing to do with religion. I am fond of many of my male friends, but sex with them does not enter the equation. And neither does it enter the equation with them. Male penis superiority is not male superiority. Superior intelligence, strength, courage, and honor are the determining factors. Basing ones life on sexual preferences, whether same gender or other is basing life on only one miniscule factor of life. I see homosexuals having the same problems as heterosexuals. The key term here being sexual. Sexual attractions are a "ship in the night" thing. When the thrill is gone, the thrill is gone, and then the one looks to satisfy the sexual thrill with someone new. To me, there is nothing more thrilling than the love I have for my woman and the love she has for me. As far as racially aware homosexuals go, are they Aryan first? If they are more loyal to homosexuality than to the concepts of family/community/honor.....they need to stay with others who feel the same as they do.
 
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I never really thought about it that way before. I can understand fondness/loyalty between the same sex. I cannot understand sexual acts with the same sex. Quite frankly, I do not understand sex as a prime motivator at all. This does not mean that I expect others to feel the same way. I just have to wonder what is different with a one who prefers sex with the same gender. Such role playing involved, among other things. Good morals did not come from either christianity or judaism. The natural order of things is male with female. This has nothing to do with religion. I am fond of many of my male friends, but sex with them does not enter the equation. And neither does it enter the equation with them. Male penis superiority is not male superiority. Superior intelligence, strength, courage, and honor are the determining factors. Basing ones life on sexual preferences, whether same gender or other is basing life on only one miniscule factor of life. I see homosexuals having the same problems as heterosexuals. The key term here being sexual. Sexual attractions are a "ship in the night" thing. When the thrill is gone, the thrill is gone, and then the one looks to satisfy the sexual thrill with someone new. To me, there is nothing more thrilling than the love I have for my woman and the love she has for me. As far as racially aware homosexuals go, are they Aryan first? If they are more loyal to homosexuality than to the concepts of family/community/honor.....they need to stay with others who feel the same as they do.

I agree with most of what you have said but I do not see an individual`s personal preferences as having anything to do with Aryanism as long as race-mixing is not involved. After all where is the arbitrary line to be drawn?
Is spanking,fellatio and bondage also incompatable with Aryanism?
 
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Where does one draw the line? In truth, it is a most difficult question. And yet the line has to be drawn somewhere. At what point does pleasure become twisted to the extreme. I myself have no black and white answer to that. I guess the best I can do is to acknowledge that whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business. That opens up a whole pandora's box for unhealthy activities. Physically, mentally, emotionally. In any healthy society, certain behaviour should not be tolerated. Should homosexuality be tolerated? Don't know. I can only say that I do not see where homsexuality has ever been a healthy addition to any society. I myself could care less, as long as it is not done in my home, in front of children, or in public. But then, I have the same views concerning random sex, heterosexual or otherwise.
 
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Where does one draw the line? In truth, it is a most difficult question. And yet the line has to be drawn somewhere. At what point does pleasure become twisted to the extreme. I myself have no black and white answer to that. I guess the best I can do is to acknowledge that whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business. That opens up a whole pandora's box for unhealthy activities. Physically, mentally, emotionally. In any healthy society, certain behaviour should not be tolerated. Should homosexuality be tolerated? Don't know. I can only say that I do not see where homsexuality has ever been a healthy addition to any society. I myself could care less, as long as it is not done in my home, in front of children, or in public. But then, I have the same views concerning random sex, heterosexual or otherwise.

That surely is the dividing line? What happens outside of one`s home ceases to be one`s concern. By imposing a system of `morality` upon others, invariably one`s own morality, we cease to act as Aryans. The imposition of morality per se is not only unAryan but is a positively Semitic thing to do.
Let us focus on the manifestation of the higher man and leave the lower man to obsess about morality.
 
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Playing `Devil`s Advocate` here but is`t the reaction of repulsion experienced by most National Socialists and White Nationalists towards homosexuality more an expression of Christian `morality` than anything else?
Are we not then guilty of projecting a Jewish Christian `morality` upon the National Socialist Weltanschauung?
I hope you're wrong about this, because this sort of statement would play right into the hands of christian kooks who denigrate our history and culture prior to the arrival of christianity. You yourself are constantly wasting your time arguing with such semitophilic fanatics right here on these forums.
 
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That surely is the dividing line? What happens outside of one`s home ceases to be one`s concern. By imposing a system of `morality` upon others, invariably one`s own morality, we cease to act as Aryans. The imposition of morality per se is not only unAryan but is a positively Semitic thing to do.
Let us focus on the manifestation of the higher man and leave the lower man to obsess about morality.
Maybe I'm missing your point, but I don't get this. Doesn't every society need standards, and are not morals a part of those standards? I'm sure you're against race-mixing. Isn't this a moral judgment upon one who practices it?
 
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Maybe I'm missing your point, but I don't get this. Doesn't every society need standards, and are not morals a part of those standards? I'm sure you're against race-mixing. Isn't this a moral judgment upon one who practices it?
`Standards` set by whom? Standards and rules are for the Underman.
Hence I can see how those with a Christian Weltanschauung would probably need these in order to lead their lives. But this is not so for the higher man, for the Aryan[I use this in the spiritual sense of the term].
Aryan man sets rules for himself and only for himself.
I quote from Friedrich Nietzsche`s "The Genealogy of Morals":

"The masters' have been disposed of; the morality of the common man has won."

My stand against race-mixing is not, I repeat not based on `morality` but upon the rule of nature. To mix one`s blood, to create blood impurity is to say `nay` to life and `yea` to death.
Only when Aryan man frees himself from the tyranny of morality will he achieve liberation-in more sense than one!

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I hope you're wrong about this, because this sort of statement would play right into the hands of christian kooks who denigrate our history and culture prior to the arrival of christianity. You yourself are constantly wasting your time arguing with such semitophilic fanatics right here on these forums.
"Wasting" my time? In what sense am I doing this? Is debate always a waste of time? If so, why are you here?
My struggle is not merely a struggle against the Jew of body but the Jew of mind, the Christian, the petty moralist, the underman.
 
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Why then Aryan Lord?Why concern yourself with sex at all?Why shall the overman be bound to the confines of flesh at all?
If I understood Zarathustra correctly,the overman Concerned himself not at all with the affairs of an ordered society.
I swear I believe you are a pot smoking teenager who just enjoys the shock value of issues.
Why stop with that issue AL?These wanna be WN's act as if you are a prophet as it is.You say"Nudism is good" And your little minions bob their heads in approval,who do you seek to impress other than your own ego?Is this the way of the overman?I would have thought it moreso that the ego is to become lost and the will awakens.
Yesterday we approved nudism,right?Today we are to approve peter puffing?What tommorrow paedophilia,necro philia,etc?
What you credit to morality imposed by jews,I credit to my good common sense.What does taking it up your arse benefit?You will never propogate that way,perhaps that is why the white euro birth rate is dropping.
You who are bound up with your lusts,are you to be called the overman?Need you an act to feel pleasure?What are your other addictions AL?Why not will yourself to pleasure,it is only a matter of controlling your own glandular secretions is it not?
Most of life is a series of addictions.Until you realize that you will forever be bound by them.Those moods you have(happy,sad,etc.) are only you releasing different chemical compisitions triggered by events that you have associated with that certain combination.(coping).
But....What do I care what you believe?Hell the US military just declared homosexuality is a mental disorder.
I myself treat homos as I would muds.I do not want their inferior genes to somehow get mixed within my family through a bisexual act.I believe eugenics would be advisable.
If you enjoy that though,maybe you should go be a rabbi!
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My stand against race-mixing is not, I repeat not based on `morality` but upon the rule of nature.

To mix one`s blood, to create blood impurity is to say `nay` to life and `yea` to death.
Only when Aryan man frees himself from the tyranny of morality will he achieve liberation-in more sense than one!
Then you've just answered your own question with regard to homosexuality as well. Morality need not be the morality of christianity, but could be that morality which references nature. Your devil's advocacy created a non-issue really.
 
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Why then Aryan Lord?Why concern yourself with sex at all?Why shall the overman be bound to the confines of flesh at all?
If I understood Zarathustra correctly,the overman Concerned himself not at all with the affairs of an ordered society.
I swear I believe you are a pot smoking teenager who just enjoys the shock value of issues.
Good observation. This has crossed my mind several times about "Aryan Lord" when reading his posts. In prior posts I know he'd brought up Evola, yet Evola went out of his way to reject Nietzsche in some detail in "Ride the Tiger". "Aryan Lord" sounds like a confused teenage kid who has ill understood what he has read. Personally, I don't consider one who gives into his urges to cornhole another guy to be any sort of overman, regardless of societal conventions on the issue; just a sad deviant addicted to skewed impulses really.
 
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Why then Aryan Lord?Why concern yourself with sex at all?Why shall the overman be bound to the confines of flesh at all?
If I understood Zarathustra correctly,the overman Concerned himself not at all with the affairs of an ordered society.
I swear I believe you are a pot smoking teenager who just enjoys the shock value of issues.
Why stop with that issue AL?These wanna be WN's act as if you are a prophet as it is.You say"Nudism is good" And your little minions bob their heads in approval,who do you seek to impress other than your own ego?Is this the way of the overman?I would have thought it moreso that the ego is to become lost and the will awakens.
Yesterday we approved nudism,right?Today we are to approve peter puffing?What tommorrow paedophilia,necro philia,etc?
What you credit to morality imposed by jews,I credit to my good common sense.What does taking it up your arse benefit?You will never propogate that way,perhaps that is why the white euro birth rate is dropping.
You who are bound up with your lusts,are you to be called the overman?Need you an act to feel pleasure?What are your other addictions AL?Why not will yourself to pleasure,it is only a matter of controlling your own glandular secretions is it not?
Most of life is a series of addictions.Until you realize that you will forever be bound by them.Those moods you have(happy,sad,etc.) are only you releasing different chemical compisitions triggered by events that you have associated with that certain combination.(coping).
But....What do I care what you believe?Hell the US military just declared homosexuality is a mental disorder.
I myself treat homos as I would muds.I do not want their inferior genes to somehow get mixed within my family through a bisexual act.I believe eugenics would be advisable.
If you enjoy that though,maybe you should go be a rabbi!

Kike, shouldn`t you be at synagogue with all the other hook-nosed ones?
I don`t know whether you are a Jew according to the flesh but I can see from the nature and content of your posting that you are a Jew of the mind.
If I had a daughter I certainly would not permit her to mix her genes with the faulty ones of fake Christians such as yourself.
I know it must be hard for people with learning disabilities but please reread my post and tell me exactly where I have advocated homosexuality?!
Where? If you cannot show me at least one of my 3,000 plus posts on this forum where I have spoken in favour of homosexuality then STFU troll!
I am totally unconcerned with the sexual orientation or activities of other people. Only a person with a semitic mindset would ever contemplate dreaming up `commandments` for other people to follow.
Whilst I would never engage in homsexual activity[unlike many church ministers] I am not in a position to dictate to others what they may or may not do, neither would I wish to. I will leave that to the Semites of mind, the Christians, Moslems and Jews to dictate their petty `morals` to others.As an Aryan, may I echo the words of Errol Flynn? "Let no man make laws for me!"
I will put it down to your diseased Christian mentality.
 
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Then you've just answered your own question with regard to homosexuality as well. Morality need not be the morality of christianity, but could be that morality which references nature. Your devil's advocacy created a non-issue really.

No, I disagree. `Morality` is a pertinent issue for us to discuss on a racialist forum.
Too many racialists are beset with a petty morality which is due more often than not to their unfortunate Christian inheritence and has absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of Aryansm.
Friedrich Nietzsche had much to say on the issue of morality. I don`t intend to bore you with every single reference but the following should suffice:

"Insofar as we believe in morality we pass sentence on existence."
[`The Will to Power`,Book One, 6 ]
 
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Good observation. This has crossed my mind several times about "Aryan Lord" when reading his posts. In prior posts I know he'd brought up Evola, yet Evola went out of his way to reject Nietzsche in some detail in "Ride the Tiger". "Aryan Lord" sounds like a confused teenage kid who has ill understood what he has read. Personally, I don't consider one who gives into his urges to cornhole another guy to be any sort of overman, regardless of societal conventions on the issue; just a sad deviant addicted to skewed impulses really.

Ronen it is the mark of a coward and a cur to speak this way of another poster who has intended you no harm and who has indeed awarded you positive reputation.
Kindly provide evidence of how I "gives into his urges"! What "urges" are they? Provide the proof or retract your remark!
Yes Evola did take Nietzsche to task in one chapter in `Ride the Tiger` but then again so did Nietzsche take to task his best friend Wilhelm Richard Wagner in `Ecce Homo`,`Nietzsche contra Wagner` and various other works of his.
Yet, this may seem a paradox to the simple of mind but I consider myself an Evolian, a Nietzshean and a Wagnerian. I see no contradiction in this approach. There is surely more contradiction in the 93 books that make up the Jewish Christian bibble than there is between all 3 of these great Aryanists?
Furthermore Nietzsche`s writings form the very basis of National Socialist esoteric doctrine, not the doctrine given to the masses but the secret doctrine of the few, the Overmen.
The issue of Evola and Nietzsche I have made the subject of a small article on my blog. I have called this `Nietzsche contra Evola.`
You are welcome to submit a comment on the article on my blog.

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