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Old October 8th, 2009 #41
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And if he doesn't can we expect to spend an enternity in hell getting tortured in ways that would make an IDF soldier blush? How do we make God love us anyway? I thought it was his will that made us love or reject him?
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Old October 8th, 2009 #42
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I'm with Twain. If God made the world, then he is responsible for every last thing that goes on, and no avoiding it.
 
Old October 8th, 2009 #43
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The Abrahamic religions believe in a single creator, God/Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah, etc. And everything in the world is at his will, they believe our life is predestined. This would mean God creates people, makes them non believers, and will torture them in hell in for eternity..... Is this not a sick creator? Where is the mercy?
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Old October 9th, 2009 #44
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Ladies and gentlemen, THE CHRIST MEME has probably been to the most destructive meme to Our Race EVER. Yes, I am a reader of Nietzsche, first read his thus Spake Zarathustra at the sweet age of sixteen whilst surfing the Transkei waves down The Wild Coast of South Africa way back when, but ol' Friedrich only half-sunk back then as a kiddo...

Alex and folks: it's Friday night. I'm going out for a couple; yeah, we still enjoy life down here in Surf Efrikah and why? - because we're white!

Will get back to y'awl on this post shortly. 'til later, 88! M.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #45
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I've dated quite a few self described militant atheists over the years, the kind that mocks a belief in God but is nonetheless a fervent adherent of the religion known as the Democratic party. Coincidentally they were also the biggest swallowers of bullshit like feminism or the equality myth.
Much rarer is the true atheist, someone who drifts thru life without a belief system of some sort to cope with this marvelously messy world of ours.
In lieu of faith in the almighty even the most rationally minded will believe in all manner of absurdities. Often times the alternative to a deity will be replaced with some political conviction or idolatrous belief in science (remember Marlowe's Faust exclaiming, sweet analytics, thou has ravished me!).
It's not surprising that the fanaticism that accompanies these secular faiths fueled the worst scourges in human history: Mao's China, Stalin's Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, to name a few.
Sadly this has been the case with many a first rate talent like Mayakovsky or Picasso, who worshipped at the altar of Stalin, even after his monstrous crimes were made known in the West. There was a certain faddishness with communism among the intelligentsia of the 20's and 30's and I suspect it was opportunism that led to Picasso and many others hopping aboard the red bandwagon.
The parallel of this in America is your average starry eyed young Democrat.
They show a devotion to the Clintons and Obama that's seldom seen even amongst snake handling, strychnine drinking backwater Baptists. They simply can't gobble enough of the poison or countenance any criticism of their dogma.
It's true that there are many people who just have no spiritual inclination whatsoever. They wander in a grey, colorless world sans any feeling for the divine or miraculous, including their own life. They read of Arjuna and remain unmoved.
More often than not however atheism is born of a bitterness toward God, the dismal and refutation is a form of retaliation or defiance. I'm not saying this of Alex but it's true of most atheists I've met.
To maintain a belief that there is no God must be an exhausting affair, always leaping to debunk any hint of the supernatural, ferreting out any inconsistency in the bible while entirely missing the big picture, ultimately erecting a value system on a foundation of sand. One would need to be God, to be omniscient themselves, to visit the farthest star or float amongst the smallest atom to know for certain.

The fact is you can't stamp out man's religious and spiritual yearnings anymore than you can his will to become. Men like Evola and Hitler regarded our eternal struggle against the jew as spiritual in nature. It goes deeper than social Darwinism, the need to dominate among groups competing for resources. The core of this struggle is aesthetics, the greatest of earthly enigmas. We are repulsed by the ugliness of the Jewish aesthetic. For most I'll bet it was this gnawing nausea Jewish culture evokes that drove us to fill the ranks of what constitutes white nationalists today. The one consistent theme in the old and new testament is the rejection by the rank and file jew of the truth/divine, until eventually God gives them up to a reprobate mind.
Beauty is a spiritual, sacred thing that inspired Phidias to Bernini. You can't measure it by scientific terms.
William Blake said that the man who hasn't traveled to heaven in his imagination can never be an artist.
A healthy soul responds to beauty, whether in art or nature, as the imprint of the divine.
What we are as a culture and what is ultimately left by us is reflected by our temples, art, music, literature. The analytical scientific mind may increase our life span, give us better toaster ovens and dentistry but it does not feed the soul. Our best and brightest: Pascal, Issac Newton, Michelangelo understood man is more than a biological organism.

We are creatures who live by faith. That faith may take the form of some reward in the afterlife, or an egalitarian earthly paradise where we can consume in multi racial comfort(like Dr. Pierce said) or in the conception of a distant all white world governed by Aryan values.
Each requires imagining and projecting to reach some intangible objective we can neither touch, taste, feel or hear.
That's the essence of faith.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #46
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It is a Christian lie that atheism is a belief.
 
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It's like, if 90% of the world were drunks, there would, in time, come to be a need for a descriptor for the other 10%. Atheism had no name for thousands of years, until someone invented it.

The manufacturing of a god on your part in no way implies a positive belief on the part of those who don't play along.

For which other things-for-which-there-is-no-evidence do we coin special words for those who don't 'believe' in them?

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Old October 9th, 2009 #48
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An 'atheist' is someone who asks what evidence you have for believing X, and when your reply is unpersuasive, remains unconvinced. The special term is purely there to demonize those who don't sign up for Team Fantasy. The burden is on the believer, not on the 'atheist.' It is pure social prejudice and typically cowardly Christian browbeating to imply that the strangeness is in the non-believer rather than in the fantasist.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #49
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There is not a dime's worth of difference between claiming that God exists and the nigger is the white man's equal. Not an iota of evidence can be found to sustain either claim.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #50
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The cultists have to invent terms to demonize their rational, calm, intelligent superiors:

atheists in the one case,

racists in the other.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #51
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As Spengler observed, Christianity is the grandparent of bolshevism...and liberalism and multiculturalism too.

What is the ultimate taproot?

The rejection of reality.
 
Old October 9th, 2009 #52
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"Belief cannot argue with unbelief, it can only preach to it."

Karl Barth, most influential theologian. (Pronounced Bart)



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Old October 9th, 2009 #53
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In lieu of faith in the almighty even the most rationally minded will believe in all manner of absurdities.
Don't just steal from Chesterton, actually think about what he's saying, and you will realize how stupid it is.

There is nothing any non-Christian could believe in that is as ridiculous as what EVERY Christian believes in. Men coming back from the dead. Seven-headed beasts rising out of lakes of fire. Rapture. God.

The truth is that whether or not a man is religious, he is likely to labor under many illusions. The real difference is that the religious fool has tied his perceptual mistakes into a moral system, making them that much harder to clear up. He feels guilty if he even begins to suspect that facts obvious to a small child - that people die and that's it - are true.

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Often times the alternative to a deity will be replaced with some political conviction or idolatrous belief in science (remember Marlowe's Faust exclaiming, sweet analytics, thou has ravished me!).
It's not surprising that the fanaticism that accompanies these secular faiths fueled the worst scourges in human history: Mao's China, Stalin's Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, to name a few.
The difference was not that they weren't officially religious but that they had access to better killing technology than the Christians over the last 2000 years - not that the Christians didn't perform as savagely as they could under the circumstances. There is not a thing in the world that makes a Christian more humane, intelligent, or honest than a man.

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Sadly this has been the case with many a first rate talent like Mayakovsky or Picasso, who worshipped at the altar of Stalin, even after his monstrous crimes were made known in the West. There was a certain faddishness with communism among the intelligentsia of the 20's and 30's and I suspect it was opportunism that led to Picasso and many others hopping aboard the red bandwagon.
Stalin was raised up and trained in a seminary. Like they say, if they have them before they're six, they have them forever.

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The parallel of this in America is your average starry eyed young Democrat.
They show a devotion to the Clintons and Obama that's seldom seen even amongst snake handling, strychnine drinking backwater Baptists. They simply can't gobble enough of the poison or countenance any criticism of their dogma.

It's true that there are many people who just have no spiritual inclination whatsoever. They wander in a grey, colorless world sans any feeling for the divine or miraculous, including their own life. They read of Arjuna and remain unmoved.
Yeah, the grey, colorless world of Mencken and Twain. Your statement is pure bigotry.

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More often than not however atheism is born of a bitterness toward God, the dismal and refutation is a form of retaliation or defiance. I'm not saying this of Alex but it's true of most atheists I've met.
You can't be bitter about something that doesn't exist unless you really believe he does exist, in which case the proper term is not atheist but liar.

Christians walk the world forever unsure, because they are dogmatically committed to the Big Lie that the rules can be suspended at any time. Atheists don't believe that, hence the world is an interesting place about which more can always be discovered. Honestly, the crissycunts claim they invented science (and breathing and love and eating and placemats and...) but why in the world would anyone who believed the lies about Jesus raising men from the dead seek to understand the basis of disease when he could simply pray to 'God' for the same power Jesus had?

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To maintain a belief that there is no God must be an exhausting affair, always leaping to debunk any hint of the supernatural,
Jesus, bro, how many hints of the supernatural do you get each day? I've lived 43 years and I've never seen a damn one! God is like UFOs - lots of claims but not a goddam piece of evidence worthy of the name.

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ferreting out any inconsistency in the bible
No one ever had to "ferret out" inconsistency in the bible. That's like ferreting out blades of grass in a lawn.

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while entirely missing the big picture, ultimately erecting a value system on a foundation of sand.
As opposed to the Christian foundation: pure air. Air compressed and exhaled from jewish lungs, which is to say lungs belonging to the greatest race of liars ever to beteem the earth.

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The fact is you can't stamp out man's religious and spiritual yearnings anymore than you can his will to become.
By 'religious and spiritual' you mean stupidity. Stupidity cannot be stamped out.

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Men like Evola and Hitler regarded our eternal struggle against the jew as spiritual in nature.
Perhaps that is why they lost the temporal struggle.

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It goes deeper than social Darwinism, the need to dominate among groups competing for resources. The core of this struggle is aesthetics, the greatest of earthly enigmas. We are repulsed by the ugliness of the Jewish aesthetic.
A hog 'n' truffle reunion, itz!

I agree but would put it this way. The extraordinary ugliness of the jews, in themselves and in the kind of society they excrete, is one of the strongest spurs to the Aryan elite who would lead the war against them. They excite my urge not to be dominated by them, because they are, taking one with another, pieces of shit.

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For most I'll bet it was this gnawing nausea Jewish culture evokes that drove us to fill the ranks of what constitutes white nationalists today. The one consistent theme in the old and new testament is the rejection by the rank and file jew of the truth/divine, until eventually God gives them up to a reprobate mind. Beauty is a spiritual, sacred thing that inspired Phidias to Bernini. You can't measure it by scientific terms. William Blake said that the man who hasn't traveled to heaven in his imagination can never be an artist.
A healthy soul responds to beauty, whether in art or nature, as the imprint of the divine.
No, he responds to it for what it is, not because it has anything to do with the divine, that is pure adventitious assumption.

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What we are as a culture and what is ultimately left by us is reflected by our temples, art, music, literature. The analytical scientific mind may increase our life span, give us better toaster ovens and dentistry but it does not feed the soul.
Not true. Air conditioning soothes the soul. Driving a car really fast through an open stretch, or through the mountains, feeds the soul. Achieving a new association after prolonged analysis feeds the soul. God has nothing to do with anything, and revelation is nothing but opinion pretending to a status it does not merit.

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Our best and brightest: Pascal, Issac Newton, Michelangelo understood man is more than a biological organism.
Michelangelo also understood the male anus to be a sex organ, not sure we want to rely on him real hard.

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We are creatures who live by faith.
Who's this we, White man?

Faith is needed. It does have its place. Its place is backing reason, like a good wife. Not walking alongside it pretending to be its equal.

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That faith may take the form of some reward in the afterlife, or an egalitarian earthly paradise where we can consume in multi racial comfort(like Dr. Pierce said) or in the conception of a distant all white world governed by Aryan values.
This is wrong. What you should say is that humans, being limited, tend to have conceptions of the world that to a greater or lesser degree fail to conform to the actuality of the situation. All humans have a conception of the world as it is, and a conception of the world as they think it should be. 95% of their conceptions beyond simple sensory input are not internally generated but taken in from an outside source that seems omnipotent or persuasive.

The only tool that ever got the White man out of the mud mire was reason, and it is precisely reason that believers in gods, Christian or any other, undermines - genocidally.

Reality exists. Let that be your 'faith.' Because it's not based on anything except the valid observation that a hell of lot of things happen over and over again, predictably, whether we want them to or not.

Humbling himself and accepting a reality outside himself - that, and not Christianity's lies about overcoming death, is what makes the White man White. Any goddam nigger bum on the street can believe in the god fantasy, but it takes the character of a White man to accept an actuality existing apart from his wishes, and the brains of a White man to figure out the mechanisms by which that reality operates, and the determination of a White man to manipulate them to create more desirable environments.

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Each requires imagining and projecting to reach some intangible objective we can neither touch, taste, feel or hear.
That's the essence of faith.
The Christians say it was faith that built the cathedral, but the truth says anyone who figures out the engineering principles can do it.

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Old October 9th, 2009 #54
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If a cop's boss says to the beat walker, "you don't have evidence," does that make him an atheist? That is perfectly analogous to Christian/atheist.
 
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Notice too that Blofeld, like others who argue in his vein, exhibits a pronounced bias toward the internal over the external. Well, that's where most of the problems we combat come from - our own people, raised up in Christian asininity, praised as imagination or faith, learning over time to abandon the evidence of their (they believe, god-given) senses and cling to their fantasies. Where the heck do you think the belief in nigger equality comes from if not from people trained from day one to reject the world and embrace the beauty of the one true faith?

They call it respect for authority and beautiful visions of another world, but that's the promoter talking. The reality is that Christianity makes a fetish and a virtue out of not using your brain or your sense organs. Thinking is the only sin Christians don't embrace. You can be forgiven every other, but thinking will make you hated by Christians.

Do you think it an accident, how neatly the public disschooling, by which reasoned argument is trained into the littlings to be dismissed as 'hate,' fits with the Christian admonition to lub, lub, lub your neighbor, your enemy, your enema-tubist?

Pull the plug on the 'boo broth - bathwater as far as the eye can see, and not a 'boo-baby to be found.

If you want to take something from the jews and base your life around it, don't use Jesus, use the jew's networking, or his continual searching and considering of angles. The jews live in reality, the Christians live in someone else's fantasyland. That is one reason the jews always win and the Christians always lose.

Reality exists, whether you like it or not, 'boo-bies. The sooner you become a White man and put away childish things like the Christ-insanity, the better for our race.

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Is there anything in the universe that can't be explained by way of the scientific method? Is there anything that has been discovered that scientists can't explain or is it a matter of time and available technology before such explanations are forthcoming?
 
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Is there anything in the universe that can't be explained by way of the scientific method? Is there anything that has been discovered that scientists can't explain or is it a matter of time and available technology before such explanations are forthcoming?
Do we know more now than we did yesterday? Is there any reason to think that trend won't continue?

Doesn't every two-bit dipshit bluegum blowing darts think it has the answer to everything?

Reason is a giant gold piece sitting there in the middle of slugs, scintillating like a beauty queen lying in the surf. And the christian dungworthies run around filling their pockets with dross.

Reason is something. Christian faith is nothing.
 
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Do we know more now than we did yesterday? Is there any reason to think that trend won't continue?

Doesn't every two-bit dipshit bluegum blowing darts think it has the answer to everything?

Reason is a giant gold piece sitting there in the middle of slugs, scintillating like a beauty queen lying in the surf. And the christian dungworthies run around filling their pockets with dross.

Reason is something. Christian faith is nothing.
Can you not discuss Christianity without resorting to ad hominem attacks and generalities? You speak of 'reason' and then rip into an emotionally based response. Pot meet kettle.

I don't have all of the answers. Never did, never will. Neither will you.

Here's at least one thing for which science has no explanation.

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The disc was first observed to miraculously appear from out of nowhere, flying through the clouds below and progressing from right to left as the astronauts stared in utter amazement. The outer rim of the craft appeared to be rotating counter-clockwise. It was very large (compared to common space junk and breakaway ice), approximately 50 to 150 feet in diameter.

Astronaut Dr. Story Musgrave, a Payload Specialist on the STS-80 Mission, was interviewed following the flight. As he viewed a videotape of the incident which showed lightning flashes in the atmosphere, the city lights of Denver, Colorado and other earthbound sights, he stated: "I don't know what it is. Whether it's a washer, debris, ice particles, I don't know. But it's characteristic of the thousands of things which I've seen. What is not so characteristic is it appears to come from no where.
You would think that if it's facing the dark side or facing a side towards you which is not reflecting the sun, you would think that you would see something there. It's really impressive."
Reason and science don't have all of the answer either.

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Can you not discuss Christianity without resorting to ad hominem attacks and generalities? You speak of 'reason' and then rip into an emotionally based response. Pot meet kettle.
The guts of my response is experience + reason wrapped in ridicule and pleasure-wording. You can't rebut what I say, so instead you characterize it. Just like a Christian. You say, "heaven and hell don't exist." The Christian responds, "Don't you want to believe your grandfather is in heaven?" Christianity is a low and dirty thing. It's not honest. It's not Aryan.

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I don't have all of the answers. Never did, never will. Neither will you.
Who claimed he did? But I'm one ahead of you because I see the Christian lie for what it is.
 
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Here's at least one thing for which science has no explanation.

Reason and science doesn't have all of the answer either.
Science doesn't have explanations for everything because science has standards. If the standards aren't met, science says, honestly, "I don't have or can't have an answer for that." Religion, by contrast, has an answer for every question because it has no standards. Yet that doesn't make the hoi polloi look down on it, they respect it all the more! Being, uh, how can I put this delicately, uh, idiots, Christians would rather have a false answer than an honest I don't know. It's a measure of their stupidity and weakness that they take absolute statements as a measure of strength, and cautiousness, uncertainty or humility in light of evidence as weakness.

You and your fellow Christian idiots want answers, but what you should want are correct answers.
 
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