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Old April 16th, 2015 #361
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Health insurance companies ARE part of the free market.
They're not allowed to refuse insurance to high risk groups. In a free market not only could you buy medical services from anyone willing to provide them, you could also buy any kind of insurance someone was willing to sell, including one for a low risk pool, assuming you qualified for the low risk group.

Present law forces young people to be part of the same risk pool as the elderly, which is another heavy tax imposed on non-voters by voters.
 
Old April 16th, 2015 #362
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Can't you make your points without relying on dumb smears and creating caricatures? Like using the idiotic new internet meme of calling everything you don't like autistic? According to Joe, libertarians are " IT nerds," "narcissists," "autistic shut-ins," "self-obsessed," & losers who jack off to anime porn. In fact he usually brings up someone's masturbation habits when he disagrees with them. Odd. I wouldn't say the type that were rallying around Ron Paul & had the dynamism & in the streets activism our cause needs was the type he's describing at all. I'm not even libertarian, and I'm not as educated in economics/the best type of govt (in an all white society) as most of you, so I usually just read & try to learn, I don't argue about it.. but I mean cmon' that stuff isn't necessary. get to the meat of the argument, we're not interested in reading jewey smears. There was literally no real information in that post.

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Old April 16th, 2015 #363
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Most self-proclaimed rugged individualists/libertarians are either Jews working their nation-wrecking corner, cultural marxists, or IT nerds carrying a chip on their shoulder .

Libertarianism today is not a conclusion arrived at by reason, it's a childish and narcissistic form of rejecting (which is right) the system. Young white men drift off into two narcissistic special snowflake categories: The SJW and rugged individualists- two worthless responses to being rejected, attacked, adominished, humiliated, oppressed, etc by Jews.

The SJW's get a sex-change or becomes a queer so that the proverbial Rabbi gives them "White Goy Amnesty" and he no longer feels alienated, while the rugged individualists turn into autistic shut-ins to self-obsessed to lead a family or a community, who drop out of real life to become professional internet poker players and jack off to anime porn. The highlight of their lives is turning a cop stopping them over a busted tail light into a big Sovereign Citizen debate, that they subsequently film on their Google Glass , put on youtube, and get lots of InfoWars people declaring them a hero.

Instead of letting the Jews atomize us and push us out, how about we take our society back by any means necessary? Libertarians and superstitious muh market types aren't going to do that.
This is just clueless. Go read LRC. Those are not fools or clowns, they're serious adults. You think running a business is a joke? It's not. You think the government making decisions for everybody isn't an infringement? Doesn't infantilize people? White men aren't tools or ants, they are men. Or should be.
 
Old April 16th, 2015 #364
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Joe,
I agree with you that socialism can work in a highly responsible, hard working, honest, and homogeneous society - Sweden (before the 3rd world invasion), NSDAP (although read-on, I end with Adolf Hitler's definition of "socialism"), and Middle-Ages Europe where the Catholic church would hold and distribute surplus productivity - goods, grains, services, etc.

Sweden has a cultural saying that roughly translates to: "don't take too little and don't take too much." (referring to the publically provided goods and services). But it obviously doesn't work with Blacks and Arabs hogging all the free stuff, while they produce nothing! Same with England - they're going to privatize their free national healthcare system BC their immigration policies destroyed it!

It's a simple equation: Productivity - Consumption = Surplus (or deficit, if the consumption is greater than the productivity)
Governments have shown that they're highly irresponsible BC they gladly give away "free stuff" (that they didn't produce), simply so they can get votes!

But the key word is homogeneous. I don't want to live in a society where I have 2 homo neighbors and they're both getting their HIV drugs paid for by socialized health care. I don't want to live in a society where single black mothers can have 10 kids by 8 different guys, and my tax dollars subsidize her lifestyle. If a system could be created - responsibly - that provides free cancer care for a White mother in a poor family BC her husband doesn't have $200k - I'm okay with that, BUT any free government service typically gets abused. So I don't have a perfect answer.

BUT, socialism certainly does have its problems. Simply BC it's human nature to find an occupation where you make the most money with the least amount of input. It's absolutely obvious when the statistics show that government employees are making double what their private counterparts make!!!

It's also obvious when I hear people say things like: "he's just a factory worker", but they praise people who are sucking-off the publically subsidized teats - teachers, police, firemen, etc.! The Truth, concerning a nations productivity, is exactly the opposite - hence Adolf Hitler's famous quote: "it wasn’t intellectuals who gave me the courage to undertake this gigantic task, but I can reveal this: I found the courage because I encountered two classes - German farmers and German factory workers ".

Some of the teachers here in Ohio retire when they're 55-60 - with excellent benefits, then many of them go back to teaching part time and double dip to make over 6 figures per year! It's fucking ridiculous!!! I was at the top of my class throughout all my public schooling, and I can count on 1 hand the number of "Good teachers" I had. By "Good" I mean - smart, competent, critical thinkers, masters of their own material, and can answer the tough questions that their pupils have.

Let's face an obvious Truth: elementary school teachers are glorified babysitters, which is their most important function! And many high school teachers are dumb jocks who are just there for sports coaching! Then kids go to college and are completely unprepared for rigorous academic material. Especially with the internet today - kids now have access to the best teachers in the world! As I said in my previous post, it was my half-competent classmates who went to school for teaching simply BC it's the most bang they could get for their buck - if the State is going to provide subsidized enticing teats, I can't really blame people for sucking on them. But I'm well aware of what my former classmates are capable of teaching my children - their zip code, spelling, 2+2, rote learning out of textbooks, and most importantly any racial and homo/trans propaganda that the state wants to force fee them.

As Adolf Hitler said, "the best refutation of Marxism in theory, is Marxism in practice." A society should only allow "equal opportunity" not "equality" BC as
Pareto_principle Pareto_principle
showed, in Nature, 80% of the results come from 20% of the population (pea pods, people, animals...whatever).

Alex summed this up perfectly in one of his previous teaching when he explained how we all benefit greatly from the
individual in a White Society - Bacon, Newton, Kepler, Galileo, Copernicus, Locke, Leibniz, Descartes, Tesla, Darwin,
Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel
, Godel, etc. (oh yeah, and Tim Wise too! he says he's "White"...lol)

Alex,
I know you're an expert wordsmith; I've been pondering this recently: "Belief" is an extremely powerful and important word, but just like the word "Love" there are several meanings and it gets misused, abused, and most people don't comprehend its significance.

I'm not talking about this use of "belief" - "Do you believe in God?" "Do you believe he lied to you?" or
Mischling Mischling
John Mayer's song "
" (which is actually a pretty good song!)

I'm talking about this use of "belief" - "I believe we can win the championship." "I believe I'll marry her someday." "I believe she can overcome her cancer." etc.

My definition for this use case would be: "the feeling, thinking, and knowing that one can achieve/attain a future possibility."

Henry Ford's famous quote comes to mind: “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't - you're right.”

The reason I'm bringing this up is BC belief is critical for achieving big dreams and goals. Obviously, if I don't believe I can do something I'll never try.

One of America's most famous self-help authors - Napolean Hill (who learned under Andrew Carnegie) - his
for achieving any goal is 1. Burning desire/will 2. Belief 3. Work

Adolf Hitler literally gave the exact same formula in one of his
(3:00 to 3:20) (he didn't say "work", but it's common knowledge that "arbeit" is the backbone of German society) Also, listen to what he says just before that (1:40 to 2:42) - he didn't say "German people, we'll provide socialized health care and food"...he said "German people, help yourself! Everyone must help!"

I have some other things to say about "belief" and the future, but I'll save that for another day

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Old April 16th, 2015 #365
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Can't you make your points without relying on dumb smears and creating caricatures? Like using the idiotic new internet meme of calling everything you don't like autistic? According to Joe, libertarians are " IT nerds," "narcissists," "autistic shut-ins," "self-obsessed," & losers who jack off to anime porn. In fact he usually brings up someone's masturbation habits when he disagrees with them. Odd. I wouldn't say the type that were rallying around Ron Paul & had the dynamism & in the streets activism our cause needs was the type he's describing at all. I'm not even libertarian, and I'm not as educated in economics/the best type of govt (in an all white society) as most of you, so I usually just read & try to learn, I don't argue about it.. but I mean cmon' that stuff isn't necessary. get to the meat of the argument, we're not interested in reading jewey smears. There was literally no real information in that post.
Vargine, you don't know jack shit. Unlike you, I was active in the Ron Paul campaign (2008, didn't bother in 2012) and was around this crowd.

Ron Paul people were effective because at least 50% of them were not libertarians, they were people with single issues, like trying to get pot legalized, anti-war activists, or thinly veiled nazis like me trying to cut money to Israel and reinstate free association. Others were attached to the personality of Ron Paul irrespective of his politics, which is sad because he doesn't really have one, all he does is not brazenly lie. These people tended to be normal and energetic, even if their causes were dumb (pot legalization).

The real hardliners always talking about Mises and Ayn Rand on the other hand, were a bunch of white collar types prone to sperg chimpouts. A lot of people running Ron Paul campaigns knew all about what he was against, but not a lot about what he was for, and so the one-issue people often clashed with the Austrian school old guard.

I create caricatures because most people that participate in systematic politics or subcultures are predictable and not worth digging deep into. The average Libertarian (the real ones, not the GOP variety) is college aged to Gen X, has an Asian girlfriend, always dressed like they're going on a yacht (shorts and loafers without socks) ; they're mostly geeks trying to be edgy. That is, the one's who aren't Jewish, since libertarian events have just as many kikes lurking around as Leftist ones.

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They're not allowed to refuse insurance to high risk groups. In a free market not only could you buy medical services from anyone willing to provide them, you could also buy any kind of insurance someone was willing to sell, including one for a low risk pool, assuming you qualified for the low risk group.

Present law forces young people to be part of the same risk pool as the elderly, which is another heavy tax imposed on non-voters by voters.
What about for the centuries before Obamacare?

Obamacare was the product of private Jew and insurance company lobbying. There is no good reason for the state to be signing blank checks funded by tax payers to private insurance capitalists, yet not offering a public/national alternative like in Europe.

That's what happens when you don't regulate the market. Either the state commands the economy, or the capitalist commands the state. Capitalists want profits, they're not high-minded constitutionalists like some seem to think. If selective state intervention means more profits, capitalists will throw millions and billions to make it happen.

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This is just clueless. Go read LRC. Those are not fools or clowns, they're serious adults. You think running a business is a joke? It's not. You think the government making decisions for everybody isn't an infringement? Doesn't infantilize people? White men aren't tools or ants, they are men. Or should be.

What's LRC, Lew Rockwell? People that plug hucksters like Peter Schiff and Gerald Celente are not serious people.

FYI I run a small business, and sometimes work 18 hour days, so I know it's not a joke. It doesn't make me a martyr, or a god either. In my line of work I try to keep a certain standard and practice ethics I'll never budge on, which at times hurts me financially because most of my competition doesn't give a fuck about any of that. I would support government intervention to the degree that forces everyone to do business like a white man, not a Jew. I don't understand how people can trust and accept referees for football, yet not the market.

I'm all for creating conditions for people to make a living wage that gives them financial independence, it's this neo-liberal service sector capitalism that forces many people to suckle on the government tit... just to survive.
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Old April 16th, 2015 #366
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Joe and Alex,
The Socialism vs. Libertarian debate isn't as foundational as our monetary system. It's the banks who are stealing massive amounts of wealth via the debt-based usury monetary system.

Also, "fiat" money is not the problem. The Federal Reserve creates fiat money as an interest bearing debt. Banks with the ability to create money and lend it out at compound interest will always steal massive amounts of wealth from the productive class.

Exactly like Abraham Lincoln did with the debt-free Greenbacks, the NSDAP also created debt-free government issued credit, which fueled Germany's economic boom of the 1930's. The United States Treasury should create and issue the money, then it wouldn't have to borrow it from the Fed and pay it back plus interest.

Bitcoin is the exact same concept - it is debt-free money that is NOT borrowed into existence. It's simply a settlement system that keeps track of "who owns what, and how much".

For example, money is simply a piece of paper that says "you helped me bail hay for 20 hours." Then you can exchange that piece of paper for 3 rabbits and 2 dozen eggs.

The British created the largest empire in world history on a fiat monetary system -
Tally_stick Tally_stick
. Split tallies were used by the English for money and taxes from the years 1100-1826. Notice that the Rothschilds bought most of England in the year 1815 - directly after the Battle of Waterloo, BC most Englishmen believed the Rothschild rumors that Napoleon defeated the British, which would've made their British bonds worthless, so they sold them to the Rothschilds for pennies on the dollar. It only took the Rothschilds about 10 years to eliminate the tally stick system. Then in 1834 they had the sticks burnt in the Houses of Parliament - the fire even got out of control and set the building ablaze!

Fiat monetary systems are fine (greenbacks, tally sticks, bitcoin, etc.) - what's important is: 1) Who creates the currency. 2) The quantity of currency created. 3) The currency must be created as a debt-free instrument to serve the productive class, NOT an interest bearing debt instrument which parasites off of the productive class.

E Michael Jones explains this in his new book - Barren Metal - it comes down to usury vs. labor. Will you base your society on usury or labor?

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Old April 17th, 2015 #367
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I agree with you completely Karl. I'm a socialist for lack of a better term. You could call it third positionism if you want. The way I see things are fairly similar to how the NSDAP saw them. The Green Book of Qadaffi pretty much outlines what an ideal society would look like, and low and behold, Libya had the highest standard of living in the region before ZOG and its finance capitalists took that thorn out of its side.

Maybe I've got a soft spot for the Strasser brothers, but they were rigid in all the wrong ways so they got what they deserved. Hitler's social revolution was still a remarkable feat in economic meritocracy and justice.

Alex calls me a commie, but that's only because of his struggles recovering from Murray Rothbard and Von Mises luring him into the conservative alley and then molesting his brain when he was a kid.

Alex cuts through Boas and Freud like a knife through warm butter, but for some reason of cognitive dissonance, batty Jew excretions like Mises' "praxeology" aren't treated with the same due skepticism. This is why the forum capitalists respond to any and all critiques of the market with "Markets work, period". That's jew praxeology in action.

Just like anti-racist theorists asserting "RACE ISN'T REAL" in the face of overwhelming evidence, Judeo-Austrian economists operate under the premise that different aspects of the market exist in a vacuum and operate according to a series of laws... that cannot be empirically proven but are true no matter what. Outside circumstances? Completely irrelevant to this cult.

Watch Judeo-Austrians squirm, though, when you ask them to explain why markets function completely differently in Somalia than 18th century Britain or 19th century America or 20th century Argentina or 21st century Sweden. When you present to them the evidence that markets are made up of people who can and do guide the economy's fate (whether by private or public means) in spite of any invisible metaphysical "laws", "You're just a commie!" is usually the only line they have in their repertoire.

You can tell Austrian school supporters like Sam Emerson hate Jews in part because they're living proof that the other Jew Mises is full of shit.
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What about for the centuries before Obamacare?
Health insurers were already regulated to force them to insure high risk groups (AIDS spreading fags for example) without price discrimination before Obamacare. Prior to 1950 most health services were paid for by the consumer, not through insurance, so any history before that is irrelevant.
 
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Just like anti-racist theorists asserting "RACE ISN'T REAL" in the face of overwhelming evidence, Judeo-Austrian economists operate under the premise that different aspects of the market exist in a vacuum and operate according to a series of laws... that cannot be empirically proven but are true no matter what. Outside circumstances? Completely irrelevant to this cult.

Watch Judeo-Austrians squirm, though, when you ask them to explain why markets function completely differently in Somalia than 18th century Britain or 19th century America or 20th century Argentina or 21st century Sweden. When you present to them the evidence that markets are made up of people who can and do guide the economy's fate (whether by private or public means) in spite of any invisible metaphysical "laws", "You're just a commie!" is usually the only line they have in their repertoire.

You can tell Austrian school supporters like Sam Emerson hate Jews in part because they're living proof that the other Jew Mises is full of shit.
Another straw man argument from the most prolific straw man debater on VNN. I'm not a libertarian. I support minimum wage, capital controls, tariffs, health and safety regulation and racial purity laws.

Modern Austrian economists deny race for the same reason everyone else with an academic or political job does, for fear of the jews. So of course they can't have a frank discussion of the root causes of relative economic performance in Sweden and Somalia. Keynesian and Marxist economists are no better.

The fundamental error of Austrian economics isn't race, it's power. The chain of reasoning starts with private property rights, with the assumption that if private property rights are logically proven to be the best basis of an economy then everyone will logically fall into line.

But the basic political problem isn't property, it's violence, also known as power. How do you prevent robbers, rapists and murderers from running the show? Once that's solved the rest is trivial.

In my opinion that problem has yet to be solved.

For the time being our political problem is preventing the jews from murdering our race. Let's focus on that.
 
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Another straw man argument from the most prolific straw man debater on VNN. I'm not a libertarian. I support minimum wage, capital controls, tariffs, health and safety regulation and racial purity laws.
Then I stand corrected. You haven't mentioned this much before, but have defended Austrian school junk science directly and indirectly in the capitalism thread. Not hard to see why I would think that about you.

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Modern Austrian economists deny race for the same reason everyone else with an academic or political job does, for fear of the jews. So of course they can't have a frank discussion of the root causes of relative economic performance in Sweden and Somalia. Keynesian and Marxist economists are no better.
The most prominent Austrian economists are Jews, so that is a moot point.

Marx and Engels, however, had a concept of racial differences. They believed, like Hegel, that negroes were "ahistorical", IE completely useless and incapable of progress.

If you read Marx's selected works, his letters, etc he refers to India and China being "barbarian" countries. His concept of communist revolution favored industrial Europe for a reason, he thought only whites were smart and forward thinking enough to create and sustain such a system.

Rothbard, Mises, and praxeologists on the other hand, are anti-racist for ideological reasons. They think the market follows laws completely independent of the people in it.


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The fundamental error of Austrian economics isn't race, it's power. The chain of reasoning starts with private property rights, with the assumption that if private property rights are logically proven to be the best basis of an economy then everyone will logically fall into line.

But the basic political problem isn't property, it's violence, also known as power. How do you prevent robbers, rapists and murderers from running the show? Once that's solved the rest is trivial.

In my opinion that problem has yet to be solved.
Not just that, but also apriori assumptions. Who says the market is universally superior to socialism? Austrians assert this, and then tell you there's no way to disprove it so you should just accept it. What intellectual dishonesty.

53% of Romanians have experienced the market economy for 2 1/2 decades, and would still prefer to live under Ceaucescu. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...nism/?page=all

Ceaucescu's government was easily one of the worst ones in the eastern bloc, and people still think it's better than capitalism. Austrian's have no response to this trend, where people from East Germany to Yugoslavia are regretting the collapse of their communist governments and say life was better in those places.

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For the time being our political problem is preventing the jews from murdering our race. Let's focus on that.
You can't fight Jews and support capitalism. If there's one law in white history, it's that one. The 20th century should be all the proof you need.
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I'm all for voluntary participation.[... I]n my ideal society, you could drop out of everything.[...]Don't want to pay taxes? That's your right.
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Capitalists won't create national prosperity or behave ethically unless someone puts a gun to their head.
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Something is screwy there.
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Something is screwy there.
So what do you recommend? Credit bubbles? Because capitalists don't invest unless you threaten to take away their capital or give them generous, tax-payer subsidized incentives.

If they don't want to exist in society, the rich ought to be able to opt out with most of their money. But all their physical assets would be nationalized. And any attempts to do business with the country they leave will be banned.
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If they don't want to exist in society, the rich ought to be able to opt out with most of their money.
Aren't they still in society if they're spending money?

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[A]ll their physical assets would be nationalized.
Most wealth is held in the form of physical assets. I presume you would allow them to hang on to their toothbrushes, or maybe not.

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the rich ought to be able to opt out
What about the people just now starting a business, who are not rich? Would they be allowed to opt out, under the principle of "Don't want to pay taxes? That's your right"?
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Obviously, I don't support nationalization of small businesses and private property, the independent farmer and small businessman should be supported. All I'm saying is that if you don't find a way to release the capital that is concentrated in the hands of the top 5-10%, you can't have a functioning economy. The Soviets knew this, the Nazis knew this, America knew this (Taiwan's economic miracle was all done by nationalizing Japanese assets and subsequent central planning with them). The free market is incapable of successfully maintaining a nation without outside intervention, all attempts to do otherwise have been catastrophic failures.

Every industry eventually exhausts its own market. Once that happens, investment for its own sake is no longer profitable (unless you have generous global free trade like NAFTA, but even there capital is starting to drop off), and thus, markets contract and implode. The same is true when there is need to invest in an emerging sector that only yields profits in the long-term, few capitalists invest unless the government forces it through or offers them cheap/expanded credit.
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Introduction and Ch. 1: Jewish History in the United States

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Ch. 2: Angles of Jewish Influence

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- concept of naming the jew. need a "fair" fight on campus and in society between Jew ideas and Anglo-Saxon ideas. jews deracinate white kids by denying them of racial knowledge in public schools (K-12), then steep them in jew-radicalism in college. ford sees Anglo-Saxon-Celtic race as creators of all civilization, Builders, creators, whereas jews are perverters and destroyers. Anglos MAKE stuff. Jews GET stuff. Jews are all about GETTING money by any means. No pride in work, per the Aryan way, just GETTING money by means fair or foul. Ford believes aryans will win any "fair" contest, but it is explained that jews know this and won't fight fair. so much white stuff written in 20s-30s is spitting in the wind as the jew dopplers right on by the white man. we are in worse position today, but the concept of polarizing the public between TeamWhite and TeamJew is pretty much what Ford was advocating back then, though he phrased it differently. ID the jew. "Name the Jew." Call him by his name. Remember your racial heritage as Builders of America, and the world, and fight under that banner.

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Relevant to the Bauhaus discussion, here a stupid little man (conservative) and probable Jew is blaming Nazis and anti-semites for the ugliness of modern architecture. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015...ho-hated-jews/


Conservative discourse is confusing and self-contradicting. Compare our learnin' college teaching you how to think and arrive at conclusions vs Breitbart.com putting a latex condom on your brain and telling you what the conclusion is.
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Old April 19th, 2015 #377
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If you read Marx's selected works, his letters, etc he refers to India and China being "barbarian" countries. His concept of communist revolution favored industrial Europe for a reason, he thought only whites were smart and forward thinking enough to create and sustain such a system.

Rothbard, Mises, and praxeologists on the other hand, are anti-racist for ideological reasons. They think the market follows laws completely independent of the people in it.
Rothbard wasn't politically correct. He wasn't pro-White the way a White is, but he was against feminism and conceded that the races differed in ability.

I'm not sure what Mises thought about racial issues. He was certainly anti-National Socialist, but what jew wasn't?

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Not just that, but also apriori assumptions. Who says the market is universally superior to socialism? Austrians assert this, and then tell you there's no way to disprove it so you should just accept it. What intellectual dishonesty.
I'm an Austrian on monetary issues, where their logic is pretty easy to follow and their conclusions (and predictions) are backed up by subsequent monetary history.

The "welfare state leads to central planning" theory isn't nearly as solid. The pressure to grow government seems to be a universal human tendency far better covered by public choice theory.

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53% of Romanians have experienced the market economy for 2 1/2 decades, and would still prefer to live under Ceaucescu. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...nism/?page=all

Ceaucescu's government was easily one of the worst ones in the eastern bloc, and people still think it's better than capitalism. Austrian's have no response to this trend, where people from East Germany to Yugoslavia are regretting the collapse of their communist governments and say life was better in those places.
Communism is like world peace. An appealing fantasy. It would be nice if it were possible to have a high standard of living and none of the worries of competing in the harsh marketplace, but it isn't.

To maintain a high technology culture requires a predominantly market system. Every country that tried central planning gave it up because it didn't produce as much as private enterprise.

In a competitive world if you can't produce, you lose.
 
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Rothbard wasn't politically correct. He wasn't pro-White the way a White is, but he was against feminism and conceded that the races differed in ability.
You've got to be shitting me. By this standard, Karl Marx was a full-blown Nazi. In fact, if you look at some of the minutes from the First Internationale, these socialists were calling one another despicable queers (Bakunin) and kikes (Marx). Engels used to call Marx's part negro nephew a monkey. There is a lot of stuff Marx even wrote criticizing Jews, he correctly identified them as the embodiment of capitalism by name.

Does that mean Marx wasn't a Jew who mutilated the great Aryan thinker Hegel anyway?

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Mises wasn't just a critic, he was the chief economist/corruptor in multicultural, starving Austria. Things in Austria were so bad that 99% of the population voted in a plebiscite (that was monitored and continues to be accepted as free from manipulation by mainstream historians) to be annexed by the Socialist Germans.

Most of the major tenets of Judeo-Austrian economics have never been consistently proven. Why? Because it's a Jew pseudoscience. These charlatans make up math equations for why economic planning can't possibly work, then assert right after that nothing they say can be empirically proven.

Let's put the capitalism vs socialism debate to rest. Even if you think it's reasonable for Americans to be starving while food rots in fields because farmers can't afford to harvest it, as happened in 1930's America, you look at the history of capitalism and you see one thing:

Capitalists fight and lobby for more niggers and more non-whites, workers fight and lobby for no niggers and no immigration.

Lew Rockwell's Walter E. Williams has written an entire book showing that "Apartheid" in South Africa was largely the work of labor unions and socialists putting pressure on the government. Judeo-British wanted more niggers for cheap labor, and after defeating the Boers flooded these civilized white cities with them. White socialist workers rose up and were able to win concessions against this after taking control of the government.

The only reason "Apartheid" collapsed is thanks to capitalist sanctions. Big Jew and big capital did not like SA's protectionist and autarky-oriented socialistic economy in such a mineral rich country, and so they brought it down. Today, niggers slave away for jew-run mining companies for less pay than under "Apartheid", and of course, whites are murdered and raped in the street while living in abject poverty. That's neo-liberalism, that's capitalism.
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I'm an Austrian on monetary issues, where their logic is pretty easy to follow and their conclusions (and predictions) are backed up by subsequent monetary history
Read Frederick Soddy and sober up, FFS.
 
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You've got to be shitting me. By this standard, Karl Marx was a full-blown Nazi.
You said Rothbard was anti-racist. You're wrong whether Marx was also a racist or not. Rothbard was not only politically incorrect, he was infamous for his deviations from PC libertarianism. He was what would now be called a paleolibertarian.

There is a good discussion to be had about the problems of capitalism, but clearing out all the uninformed rubbish you casually dump in every post is exhausting. You place far to much credence in the left wing media, which contrary to your assumption is still promoting central planning and socialism.

That's how you were duped by the urban legend about overproduction of automobiles. The jew media said it, it had to be true!
 
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