Letter from Bill White + Ongoing Trial Coverage (12/09 forward)

[M. Gerard]

I didn't deny it because I thought you were being an idiot and twisting things for your own off the point purposes.

Of course I know that saying, but I have explained already why I think what I think about Bill White and his stories in general and this one in particular.

You think everything he says is a lie. This is not true. Falso in unum, etc. to you.

Did he give a file to the FBI or not? You have never answered that, because you don't know if it is true or not - and neither do I. But I think he did.

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by M. Gerard

Did he give a file to the FBI or not? You have never answered that, because you don't know if it is true or not - and neither do I. But I think he did.

This is Holocaustian logic.

Can I prove that no Jews were gassed in Europe 1933-1945?

No, but I don't have to prove that. It suffices to show that the accounts of such occurrences are full of outrageous lies/nonsense and are unsupported by physical evidence. To a reasonable and fair-minded person, the demonstration that significant parts of some accusation consist of crazy bullshit is a sufficient basis for dismissing the whole accusation.

Somebody that has an emotional need to believe in the Holohoax however, won't be deterred by the lack of evidence and lack of credibility of the so-called witnesses. Because they have FAITH, they don't need evidence, only an excuse to go on believing.

That seems to be your position regarding Bill White's story about Craig Cobb. You acknowledge that Bill White is a chronic liar and that there is crazy bullshit in his story but for some reason you still want to believe that some part of it is true. Maybe it's the Big Lie theory working on you: you can't believe that somebody would tell such a big lie without some of it being true.

[M. Gerard]

Hadding. Your wasting my time, your time, everybody's time.

I have no emotional need in this case. You seem to have one.

Linder invited speculation on why Bill White would write a letter like that and I SPECULATED, based on things I know about Bill White from the past.

This isn't a courtroom, you're not a lawyer, this has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

If Bill made up the part about giving the file to the FBI, then he is more messed up than I thought. But I don't know if made that up, because I don't work for the FBI. Maybe you do?

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by M. Gerard

If Bill made up the part about giving the file to the FBI, then he is more messed up than I thought.

If Bill White produced a "file" that doesn't substantiate his accusations, it's in effect the same as no file (i.e. a lot of bullshit). The fact that the FBI has no credible evidence that Craig Cobb solicited the Lefkow killings is evident in the fact that he hasn't been arrested. So, why you insist on this is very puzzling.

[M. Gerard]

Originally Posted by Hadding

If Bill White produced a "file" that doesn't substantiate his accusations, it's in effect the same as no file (i.e. a lot of bullshit). The fact that the FBI has no credible evidence that Craig Cobb solicited the Lefkow killings is evident in the fact that he hasn't been arrested. So, why you insist on this is very puzzling.

I'm putting you on ignore.

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by M. Gerard

I'm putting you on ignore.

Makes no difference. Anybody who says that Craig Cobb's denial of an unsupported and circumstantially unlikely accusation from a known chronic liar doesn't mean that the accusation isn't true is fucking dense.

[M. Gerard]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Makes no difference. Anybody who says that Craig Cobb's denial of an unsupported and circumstantially unlikely accusation from a known chronic liar doesn't mean that the accusation isn't true is fucking dense.

That's the stupidest thing you ever said. NO ONE WOULD ADMIT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN A MURDER.

Unless, he wanted to face the music, that is.

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by M. Gerard

That's the stupidest thing you ever said. NO ONE WOULD ADMIT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN A MURDER.

Unless, he wanted to face the music, that is.

Hey moron, I'm supposed to be on ignore.

According to Bill White, Craig Cobb wanted the world to know!

The only thing that could make White's accusation credible is if Cobb himself said it was true, since Bill White is a crazy man with no evidence and even less credibility.

[M. Gerard]

Originally Posted by Hadding

Hey moron, I'm supposed to be on ignore.

According to Bill White, Craig Cobb wanted the world to know!

The only thing that could make White's accusation credible is if Cobb himself said it was true, since Bill White is a crazy man with no evidence and even less credibility.

How many times do you want to go over the same ground, retard?

Am I sure I want to put Hadding on ignore? Yes! Done.

[Hadding]

Am I in okay here if I take the position that M. Gerard solicited the murders? I don't have any evidence for it, but he seems to me like the kind of person who would do that, and here's the key thing: nobody can prove that he didn't.

Oh, I forgot to add: he wanted me to tell everybody.

Now watch the bastard deny it. That will just prove that he has something to hide.

[M. Gerard]

Americafarm's asshole hacker/s deleted the archives of the original Bill White Trial Update Blog.

http://oldbillwhitetrial.wordpress.com/

Oh, and they put an ad for themselves in the links at the side under Bill White Trial Blog.

http://billwhiteblog.wordpress.com/

[Ian]

What about the allegation that White is Greenbaum/Hawke?

[Hadding]

Originally Posted by Ian

What about the allegation that White is Greenbaum/Hawke?

Not the same guy.

But that raises an interesting question about Jews as "Hollywood Nazis."

Rockwell was not a Jew and Matt Koehl is not a Jew. But there are always Jew or part-Jew freaks that seem irresistibly drawn to that scene. I could name half a dozen whose names have been publicized.

Now there's this interesting thing about Bill White that I found on AmericaFarm's Bill White Trial blog, about the fact that Bill White grew up in Horizon Hill, Maryland, which is nicknamed Hebrew Hill because of who lives there:

Bill White grew up in “Hebrew Hill”, Maryland, but has written elsewhere that his family was not Jewish and that they were persecuted by some Jewish neighbors who sent poison pen letters to the family, telling the Whites to move because they weren’t Jewish. If this is true, it’s interesting how young Bill White learned about poison pen letters! [18 August 2010]

Is this a credible story? It does not seem consistent with TJB as generally known, to send nasty letters to a non-Jewish family (which in this case could pass for Jews anyway) telling them to get out. For another thing, he didn't come out of Horizon Heights with any detectable hostility toward Jews: he was writing gossip about the WN scene for several years before he adopted that pose. I would suggest that Bill White invented that story to give credibility to his claim of not being Jewish.

I would be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to BW's claim of not being a Jew if he hadn't said that.

[Hadding]

I see the ease with which Sephardic Jew Rafael "Ted" Cruz made himself the center of attention and hero of "conservatives" as analogous to the way Bill White, with obvious conflicting prior allegiances, waltzed into WN and made himself the center of attention there. It was the example of Bill White that made it obvious to me what Cruz was doing with his 24-hour filibuster against Obamacare. Theatrics go a long way toward influencing crowds that lack organization and leadership.

William Cooper was another Jew that did the same thing in regard to the "patriot movement" in the 90s, making himself appear as a de facto leader by being louder and brasher than everyone else.

http://national-socialist-worldview....with-jews.html

[M. Gerard]

Get some theatrics, Hadding, and you will be THE MAN.

[M. Gerard]

Only four counts of extortion against his wife. That's good that nothing else has come up, as rumors have been going around that there are more indictments to come, including one in Florida.

Bill could get more than 16 years in Roanoke and news media are likely to cover the case. (I don't know why if it is just the "extortion" which was obviously desperate, pathetic and impotent empty threats.)

Bill denies he made any threats or sent any emails.

Feds claim white supremacists are "like the mafia." (Mafia? What happened to the Iranians?)


This is from the Roanoke Times:

Lawyers request that names of neo-Nazi's jurors be concealed

Prosecutors say the trial of William A. White calls for an anonymous jury.

by
Jeff Sturgeon | 981-3251
Saturday, October 19, 2013

Prosecutors want a Roanoke judge to conceal jurors’ names and addresses at the upcoming criminal trial of former neo-Nazi activist William A. White, saying he and his associates might target them otherwise.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Virginia filed the request for a rare anonymous jury Wednesday. Prosecutors said White — convicted in 2011 of soliciting violence against a juror in Illinois — and people with whom White associates have “no respect for the judicial process.”

Judge James Turk has yet to rule on the question before White is tried on a four-count indictment that says he sent threatening communications to extort or try to extort money from his ex-wife. White opposes the request, defense attorney Paul Beers said.

Anonymous juries are rare in the federal system. Only one anonymous jury has been used in this federal judicial district in at least 30 years, said Julia Dudley, court clerk. The percentage of federal trials conducted nationally with anonymous juries is small but the exact number is unknown, said Charlie Hall, a spokesman for the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts in Washington, D.C.

At the start of a typical case in the Western District of Virginia, both the prosecution and defense receive a nonpublic list of prospective jurors giving each one’s name, address, occupation and race, Dudley said. Jurors’ names are stated in open court during jury selection, Dudley said.

White’s trial set for Oct. 30 in Roanoke should be different, Laura Day Rottenborn, an assistant U.S. attorney, said in court papers.

“The government … proposes that jurors be assigned a number and be referred to only by that number,” the filing said.

In addition, a ZIP code or municipality should suffice in lieu of a juror giving his or her home or work address, prosecutors said. No other restrictions were proposed.

Rottenborn reminded Turk that an Illinois jury convicted the 36-year-old White in 2011 of soliciting violence against the foreman of a jury that convicted a fellow neo-Nazi of soliciting an undercover officer to kill a judge.

White, who is serving a prison term for his conviction, “and his associates are capable of harming jurors and are likely to interfere with the judicial process as they have in the past,” prosecutors said.

The appellate courts have told trial judges what factors to consider when presented with a request for an anonymous jury. They should weigh whether the person on trial is involved in organized crime where the group has the ability to harm jurors, has tried to interfere before in judicial proceedings and faces a severe fine or prison term if convicted, prosecutors said. If a case meets those tests and will likely get media publicity, that’s grounds for an anonymous jury, prosecutors said.

In this case, White identifies himself a white supremacist, and white supremacists, like members of a gang or mafia, “may be motivated to take violent, criminal action” in support of their beliefs, prosecutors said. He has a history of interfering with court procedures and most recently disclosed confidential grand jury material, prosecutors said.

In addition, an Illinois judge chose an anonymous jury for White’s trial in 2011 on a charge he solicited a crime of violence against a juror, prosecutors said. If an anonymous jury was warranted then it is warranted for White’s upcoming trial now that he stands convicted of the offense, prosecutors said.

White also faces a possibly long sentence — more than 16 years — and the news media are likely to cover the case, prosecutors told the court.

According to the pending charges, White sent threatening emails in May and June 2012 to his ex-wife in what prosecutors called an attempt to extort money to live as a fugitive in Mexico, where he went briefly into hiding before being arrested. Prosecutors plan to present evidence that he told the woman to have $500 ready to give an intermediary or “you will probably be hospitalized.” The February 2013 indictment quotes from a series of emails with similar language. White, who is currently serving a sentence of three and a half years on the solicitation conviction, has pleaded not guilty.

Prosecutors suggested telling the anonymous jury, if one is chosen, that the numbering system protects them from the media, the curious and those who might give them unauthorized information and will spare them “unwanted publicity.”

The only anonymous jury in this region that court staff can recall decided a lawsuit in 2012 in Abingdon in which a state prison inmate accused a guard of using excessive force. The jury awarded the inmate $1,000.

[M. Gerard]

Jurors in Neo-Nazi Trial Will Remain Anonymous
by Neil Harvey | 981-3376
Wednesday, October 23, 2013

A Roanoke judge on Tuesday agreed to conceal the names and addresses of the jurors in next week’s scheduled criminal trial of William A. White, a former neo-Nazi activist.

His ruling, which will result in jurors being identified in the selection process by their city or county name and zip code, is extremely rare in local courtrooms.

“I have never empaneled an anonymous jury. In my 41 years [on the bench] I have not,” U.S. District Court Judge James Turk said in court after hearing arguments for about a half-hour.

“I’m reluctantly going to permit it in this case,” Turk said.

White faces a four-count indictment that says he sent threatening messages to his ex-wife, to extort or try to extort money from her.

He’s currently serving 3 ½ years in prison from a February conviction for soliciting violence against a former member of a Chicago jury that found another neo-Nazi guilty of solicitation of murder. Prosecutors said that White, now 36, published information online about that juror in hopes it would prompt his website’s readers to threaten or harm the man. That case, tried in Illinois in 2011, also used an anonymous jury.

“He does have a history that he does not respect judicial process,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Day Rottenborn said of White at Tuesday’s hearing.

Defense attorney Paul Beers argued that anonymity would hamper jury selection, that it would start a trend, and that such a special stipulation could influence a jury.

“It sends a signal to jurors he’s already guilty,” Beers told Turk.

“Mr. Beers acts like this would open the floodgates for anonymous juries,” Rottenborn countered. “It’s not often we have a defendant with this kind of track record.”

She argued that the issue of bias could be dealt with through jury instructions, and said the prosecution, too, faced the same challenges as the defense when it comes to jury selection.

“Any disadvantage would flow both ways,” she said.

Counsel then spent another hour presenting pre-trial motions, all of which dealt with the relevance of specific evidence — particularly White’s communications with other potential witnesses, details of his computer usage during May and June of last year and his political beliefs, as well as White’s and his ex-wife’s finances.

“I can’t rule on these until we see how the case is going to develop,” Turk ultimately told them.

“I believe this is going to be a contentious trial,” he added.

White’s trial is set to begin Oct. 30, and he faces a maximum punishment of 20 years in prison. He’s charged with sending threatening e mails to his ex-wife between May and June 2012.

Prosecutors say they will introduce evidence he told the woman to pay $500 to an intermediary or “you will probably be hospitalized.”

It is the latest in a string of legal issues surrounding White, who has been in jail on similar offenses almost continuously since 2008.

In 2009, he was convicted in Roanoke of threatening or intimidating strangers through email and online postings.

Prosecutors had sought an anonymous jury in that trial as well, but Turk at the time opted against such a measure.

On those charges, White was sentenced to 2  1⁄ 2 years, which he served, but then last year he received an additional 10 months for violating his release by briefly fleeing to Mexico.

Not considering his current charges, White would be scheduled for release in late 2015, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons’ website.

Roanoke Times

http://www.roanoke.com/news/2318267-...anonymous.html

[M. Gerard]

Crim . No. 7:13CR00013
MEMORANDUM OPINION
AND ORDER
By: Hon. Jam es C. Turk
Senior United States District Judge

... as to the fifth factor, the Court takes notice of the fact that there has been a fair amount of publicity about White generally mzd about this trial specifically. See ECF No. 135 at 6
(Government's motion collecting articles). The publicity includes local press sources, including but not lim ited to the Roanoke Times newspaper and website, and also general publicity by organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, see, e.c., www.splcenter.org/
get-info= ed/intelligence-ûles/profles/bill-white (last visited October 25, 2013) (containing a profile of White), and blogs written by apparent supporters of White. See. e.g., billwhiteblog.wordpress.coe about-z/ (last visited October 25, 2013) (stating that ççwe aremaintaining this blog solely to assist Bill White who we believe is being treated unjustly by the administration and the media of the United States billwhiteblog.wordpress.coe zol3/lo/l7/tradition-and-revolutioi (last visited October 25, 2013)
erica''l' id. at (allowing supporters to make financial donations to White to assist in his criminal defense and order a book purportedly authored by White); billwhitetrial.wordpress.com (last visited October 25, 2013) (indicating that the blog is closed as of August 26, 2013, but still reflecting posts from prior dates that include information about how and where to contact White through June 2013);downwithjugears.blogspot.com (last visited October 25, 2013) (blog with purported letters from W hite to the blog's author, including an October 19, 2013 posting with a letter from White discussing the specifics of his case, and an October 25, 2013 entry titled Sd-fhe M artyrdom of Bill White'' specifically referencing the upcoming trial in this case). Based on this publicity, the Court has legitimate concerns that jurors'personal and identifying infonnation, if made available publicly, could expose them to intimidation or harassment.

[M. Gerard]

(Oops, these were comments on his blog at the Roanoke Times, not emails. - m. gerard)
Dan Casey | 981-3423

Tuesday, October 29, 2013


Last week, U.S. District Court Judge James Turk took an extraordinary step in the upcoming trial of neo-Nazi William A. White, who’s facing federal charges of sending his ex-wife some threatening emails to extort money from her.

At the request of the government, Turk reluctantly ruled the jury should be empaneled anonymously.

The judge said it was the first time in 41 years on the bench that he’d done such a thing. Indeed, it’s a rare move most often reserved for trials of mobsters such as John Gotti, who have a perceived ability to influence jurors or a history of doing that.

Given that White is currently serving a federal prison sentence for soliciting violence to a juror in another white supremacist’s trial, you can understand Turk’s concern.

I can understand it in slightly more personal terms. I received threatening communications, as comments posted on my blog, in May and June 2012. I don’t know for certain who sent them, but I thought I’d tell you a little bit more about them here.

Early last year, White had been living on supervised release in Rockbridge County, but he fled to Mexico in May 2012 when it appeared federal authorities would send him back to prison. The cops in Mexico captured White and his laptop in Playa del Carmen in June 2012.

The first threatening comment was posted May 28 at 1:22 a.m. Coincidentally, it was posted on an unflattering blog post I’d written about White in 2009. The author’s chosen name was “Charles F’in Manson.’ Here’s what it said:

“Dig Pig: You thought it was funny to laugh when righteous brother White was tortured. Now White is missing, and the Family is cruising house to house with KNIVES looking for PIGS who are going to pay the PRICE in blood. Who will be laughing when we smear the word PIG in BLOOD on your WALL.

“Daughter? What’s a daughter? And look at what we did to that daughter … We are going to F--- YOUR FAMILY WITH KNIVES before we P--- ON YOUR GRAVE.

“But don’t worry. Death will come as a welcome awakening from the Red King’s dream.”

There were 12 more posts, apparently by the same ingrate, who used either Manson’s name or others such as Jack Ripper, Son of Sam, David Berkowitz and Red Queen.

One asked the question: “Should Dan Casey be cut up with knives?” Another stated: “Dan Casey *WILL* be sodomized with a meathook.” A third said I would be raped with a shotgun. A fourth threatened President Barack Obama.

The funniest one read: “The god of the Jews and Dan Casey is a serpent demon that threatens to eat all of the earth’s souls. We must kill to save ourselves.”

By now you catch the drift.

I mentioned these unusual comments to my supervisors here at the newspaper. At their suggestion I called Roanoke police. A city detective contacted the FBI, and soon an agent from the Roanoke office called me. I emailed him the messages, their related email addresses, and the Internet protocol addresses associated with them to the feds.

It turned out that all of the IP addresses were from places like Russia and Iceland. They were made via anonymous proxy servers, a system cowards can use to avoid being traced on the Internet.

Coincidentally, I got no more messages like those after White was caught by Mexican authorities on June 8, 2012.

And that was about it. As I noted before, I have no way of knowing for certain who sent them. I suspect federal authorities are in the same boat.

The bottom line is, stuff like this pretty much comes with the territory when you get paid to express opinions. You quickly learn there’s no shortage out there of impotent narcissistic malcontents whose seething rage causes them to send anonymous threats. They’re not all costume Nazis, either.

But unlike this job, being a juror is no choice. They’re randomly plucked from voter rolls, and their compensation amounts to little more than sandwiches from Macados and gas money to get to and from the courthouse.

They shouldn’t be targets for this kind of garbage, by someone who has a demonstrated propensity to throw it, merely for doing a citizen’s duty. Ordering their anonymity will help ensure such threats don’t occur.

That’s why Judge Turk, as reluctant as he was to order an anonymous jury in Bill White’s trial, made a wise decision.

[M. Gerard]

I can't get the file to copy, but Bill has asked for the trial to be moved due to rotten pre-trial publicity in Roanoke including Dan Casey's blog post of Oct 29th.

Edit: and here is what happened in court back on 9/26:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
WESTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
Roanoke DIVISION
CRIMINAL MINUTES - MOTION HEARING
Case No.: 7:13cr13 Date: 9/26/13
Defendant: William A. White, custody
Counsel: Paul Beers, ct. appt.

PROCEEDINGS:
Defendant present on defendant’s oral motion for counsel to withdraw. Comments by defendant outside
presence of government. Defendant withdraws motion to remove counsel. Government returns to courtroom.
Oral motion to continue trial by defendant. Granted. Trial continued until 10-30 and 10-31-13. Pretrial Motions hearing continued until 10-17-13. Discussion re: Rule 902(11) Notices and whether documents will be
considered self- authenticating. Defendant remanded to custody.