Who is white?

[Mike Jahn]

Originally Posted by diabloblanco92

I totally disagree, White Middle Eastern women on the whole are very racially loyal.Blacks are despised in middle Eastern cultures, even among racial Semites. Although i needless to say consider Jeter a mud, many White women who admire him are not even aware he is racially mixed. I would not be fooled,and neither would you but someone not racially aware could easily be fooled.
In Iran especially Islam is a thin and increasingly hated veneer over a much deeper Aryan culture rooted in several thousand years. Racialist Black Metal is increasing popular among White Middle Eastern youth, especially Iranians.
WNs unfortunately as a group are too set in their ways and one dimensional in their thinking to see the vast potential for subvertiong Islam among this group in much the same way that liberals have subverted traditional Christianity.....As it is White MEs are coming to us without 99% of us even trying.
If only WNs could step out of the silly cartoon like loser sterotype of what our enemies consider WN to be and stop playing the fool, and start thinking as REVOLUTIONARIES.
White MES have several enormous advantages

(1) Their birthrates are still quite high

(2) They do not carry what Soljenitsyn called "the Western disease"...in otherwordsws, the self hatred and self absesment that so many Euros seem to swim in

(3) They have not been polluted with pacifism

(4) Should WN fail, God forbid, in the West, they constitute a racial reserve out of which our race could be revived

(5) Their family structures are mostly still intact

(6) Most important of all race IS NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. IT IS AN OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC FACT. CULTURE DERIVES FROM RACE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WE THERFORE HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RACIAL DUTY TO LIBERATE ALL OUR KINSMEN....THE GODS WILL SURELY FORESAKE US IF WE FORSAKE OUR KINDRED.

diablo

Diablo, you make a lot of good points here but the key is that Islam has to be de-emphasized because as a religion it's extremely raceless. If they did return to their Pre-Islamic roots they would have a chance...

Originally Posted by diabloblanco92

They do not carry what Soljenitsyn called "the Western disease"...in otherwordsws, the self hatred and self absesment that so many Euros seem to swim in

There's a simple reason for that. They're not Western. They're Asian, and belong in Asia. If they serve their highest purpose and exterminate a few million of their kike neighbors, they'll have my sincere gratitude, but I still don't want them on my block.

Grey areas -- how it bores me to even talk about them. Jews and Jew-worshipping shabbas goyim love to twist and turn race definitions, and love to dig up photos of people who may or may not be White because they are mixed or Romanic or whatever, and then they proclaim -- tada! -- "there are no races!"

This is the closest they come to doing a magic show. We should give them at least a polite applause for trying.

Funnily, self-hating Whites can go even farther in showing their loyalty to the Jews. They will pretend that humans aren't different from animals by saying "There are animals that can use tools!", pointing to some ape using rocks, pretending this would be evidence that there are no borders between humans and animals. Communists are real border-erasing junkies. They use their nonsense stream of words to confuse and break down, so no White will be able to define exactly what it is he belongs to, and when he isn't able to make the exact definition, they tell him this failure means he can't claim to belong to anything.

Pathetic. But Jews need something to occupy themselves with when they aren't doing something useful, which means always.

Here is the obvious reply to this non-issue: that borders are sometimes hard to define doesn't mean they don't exist. In 99 percent of the cases the classification is obvious anyway, without coming anywhere near the border. For example, few Swedes and Norwegians have bothered to travel to the mountains and measure exactly where the border goes between the two countries -- and yet, miracle of miracles, all Swedes and Norwegians are still able to tell in which country Stockholm is located.

Fascinating, isn't it?

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Originally Posted by Fredrik Haerne

Grey areas -- how it bores me to even talk about them. Jews and Jew-worshipping shabbas goyim love to twist and turn race definitions, and love to dig up photos of people who may or may not be White because they are mixed or Romanic or whatever, and then they proclaim -- tada! -- "there are no races!"

This is the closest they come to doing a magic show. We should give them at least a polite applause for trying.
...........
Here is the obvious reply to this non-issue: that borders are sometimes hard to define doesn't mean they don't exist.........

Fascinating, isn't it?

GREAT SUMMARY. Say it again: the borders are sometimes hard to define but that doesnt mean they dont exist.

Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

GREAT SUMMARY. Say it again: the borders are sometimes hard to define but that doesnt mean they dont exist.

Sometimes you hear something so clear and right that it stays in your memory forever; one of those sharp swords of rhetoric that cut through layers of web. I would like to take credit for this one, but it comes from a speech held by a greater nationalist than me. I figured it deserved to be spread around a little.

Absolutely, though I think we may have other means of accomplish the worthy goal; messing with the genes, I bet. And yes, it is a White trait to acknowledge that one's own self is not the pinnacle of creation, and that you can always improve. For example, I wear glasses, and would be more than happy if a way was found to ensure that future generations will have stronger eyes than I have. And if they were more intelligent than me, then I would celebrate that as well. Always upward!

Thanks, compliments are always welcome.

Unfortunately I don't know much about the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal issue, so it wouldn't be White of me to talk about that. I will have to stand back and listen to the experts instead. Perhaps the anthropology forum could provide some answers.

As for improving the race, I was thinking of genegineering. I am confident there must be ways for that science to serve our race in the future. Now, a lot of movies present any effort to improve humans through science as a great evil that leads to no good, but we know who makes those movies, which is yet another reason for me to keep my hopes up for gene science.

It saddens me to see how blond hair is disappearing; I hear only five percent of American citizens have blond hair now, which is a disaster. Our race is beautiful and must so remain; surely pigmentation can be altered by simple procedures with little cost, once our scientists have figured out the way to do it. Surely other traits can be altered and improved as well. I hear big, fleshy earlobes are a dominant trait, whereas smaller earlobes are recessive, so people like me, with no earlobes at all, will soon be only a memory ... if we don't find a way to change that little detail, and many other....

Yes, I am optimistic about the future, if it only remains White! And I have never actually thought that it would be possible for the White race to disappear fully anyway; to be diminished and suffer, certainly, but we will never be destroyed entirely. One day we will be able to make the world better again by all the means at our disposal.

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Rounder

Once we*ve ripped the kikes off our backs, then we'll establish permanent selective breeding laws and programs while easily explaining the reasons to the White masses via our media.

Meantime, our policy is the Great White Race, led by our best. And our best is without regards to which European country their forefathers came from. As for our "soldiers", if they look White, act White, and fight White, then they are White.

"We all know that the Aryan/Nordics are our ideal, whether you are blonde blue-eyed, or brown haired and eyed like me." And in future, we'll simply increase the breeding of the ideal, and lower the lesser, while the whole Great White Race cheers and works for that end. I see nothing complicated or even controversial about it. Now, let's come together and rip the kikes off our backs.

"We all know that the Aryan/Nordics are our ideal, whether you are blonde blue-eyed, or brown haired and eyed like me."

Speak for yourself. Where is there more racemixing, London, Stockholm, or Oslo, or Palermo, Seville, or Athens, Warsaw or Moscow??????????

diablo

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Fredrik Haerne

Thanks, compliments are always welcome.

Unfortunately I don't know much about the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal issue, so it wouldn't be White of me to talk about that. I will have to stand back and listen to the experts instead. Perhaps the anthropology forum could provide some answers.

As for improving the race, I was thinking of genegineering. I am confident there must be ways for that science to serve our race in the future. Now, a lot of movies present any effort to improve humans through science as a great evil that leads to no good, but we know who makes those movies, which is yet another reason for me to keep my hopes up for gene science.

It saddens me to see how blond hair is disappearing; I hear only five percent of American citizens have blond hair now, which is a disaster. Our race is beautiful and must so remain; surely pigmentation can be altered by simple procedures with little cost, once our scientists have figured out the way to do it. Surely other traits can be altered and improved as well. I hear big, fleshy earlobes are a dominant trait, whereas smaller earlobes are recessive, so people like me, with no earlobes at all, will soon be only a memory ... if we don't find a way to change that little detail, and many other....

Yes, I am optimistic about the future, if it only remains White! And I have never actually thought that it would be possible for the White race to disappear fully anyway; to be diminished and suffer, certainly, but we will never be destroyed entirely. One day we will be able to make the world better again by all the means at our disposal.

I very seriously doubt that there are only 13 million blondes in the US. Even among us Italian-Americans there are a good number of blondes.

diablo

I read that in an American magazine. Perhaps the percentage among Whites is larger than one in twenty, but something like thirty percent of the population is non-White, right? So with them counted the percentage of the entire population that is blond would fall. Might it not approach a mere five percent then? Even in Sweden only one in five has blond hair (by my standards, which I believe to be correct). I have been surprised by the low presence of blond hair on my visits across the pond, and others have said you see even less blond hair in some cities such as New York. But I don't live there. I will leave the matter be until I see some new statistics.

One surprising thing is when you learn there are blond Arabs ... if you walk down the street in a city in the Gulf, you are bound to see blond hair and green eyes here and there, I am told. Funny, that. I asked a Gulf girl about it, and she said "Yes, we are White, you know." Yeah, right.

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Fredrik Haerne

I read that in an American magazine. Perhaps the percentage among Whites is larger than one in twenty, but something like thirty percent of the population is non-White, right? So with them counted the percentage of the entire population that is blond would fall. Might it not approach a mere five percent then? Even in Sweden only one in five has blond hair (by my standards, which I believe to be correct). I have been surprised by the low presence of blond hair on my visits across the pond, and others have said you see even less blond hair in some cities such as New York. But I don't live there. I will leave the matter be until I see some new statistics.

One surprising thing is when you learn there are blond Arabs ... if you walk down the street in a city in the Gulf, you are bound to see blond hair and green eyes here and there, I am told. Funny, that. I asked a Gulf girl about it, and she said "Yes, we are White, you know." Yeah, right.

Supposedly in 1970, in the US, 1 in 3 were blonds. Now we all know things have gone straight to hell since then since the population was over 87% White then, but even for then the figure sounds very high.
There are more blonds among the White population in NYC then you might think, though nowhere near as many as there once were.(but still plenty in the burbs) But as I said, you will see a suprising number among Italains, hell Im real Med looking, but my oldest brother was a straight out blue-eyed platinum blonde.
Interestingly though we have a solid Polish neighborhood ijn Brooklyn called Greenpoint that is full of way hot (and very racially loyal) Polish chicks, and best of all new Polish people are coming into it.
Hell as much as Im a loudmouthed Dago Med lover, the last thing on earth that I would ever want to see is see our beautiful blondes and redheads vanish, together with our brunettes and black haired girls, they make being White the greatest thing imaginable.
A good suggestion to keep up the number of blondes in our population would be to increase East European immigration, Id love to see as much of it as we can get.
You will see blondes in the Middle East, but it is much more common among Berbers than Arabs.You will also see it at times in Northern Iran, and even more commonly in Afghanistan Very suprisingly, DR Coon estimated that the Rifian triber of Berbers in the Moroccan Atlas had a 60% Blondism rate. The Soccer player Zinidine Zinidine is a good example of this.

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Fredrik Haerne

Grey areas -- how it bores me to even talk about them. Jews and Jew-worshipping shabbas goyim love to twist and turn race definitions, and love to dig up photos of people who may or may not be White because they are mixed or Romanic or whatever, and then they proclaim -- tada! -- "there are no races!"

This is the closest they come to doing a magic show. We should give them at least a polite applause for trying.

Funnily, self-hating Whites can go even farther in showing their loyalty to the Jews. They will pretend that humans aren't different from animals by saying "There are animals that can use tools!", pointing to some ape using rocks, pretending this would be evidence that there are no borders between humans and animals. Communists are real border-erasing junkies. They use their nonsense stream of words to confuse and break down, so no White will be able to define exactly what it is he belongs to, and when he isn't able to make the exact definition, they tell him this failure means he can't claim to belong to anything.

Pathetic. But Jews need something to occupy themselves with when they aren't doing something useful, which means always.

Here is the obvious reply to this non-issue: that borders are sometimes hard to define doesn't mean they don't exist. In 99 percent of the cases the classification is obvious anyway, without coming anywhere near the border. For example, few Swedes and Norwegians have bothered to travel to the mountains and measure exactly where the border goes between the two countries -- and yet, miracle of miracles, all Swedes and Norwegians are still able to tell in which country Stockholm is located.

Fascinating, isn't it?

Thats an important point. The fact that race might be clinal does not mean it does not exist. No one can tell you the exact moment that a kitten becomes an adult cat. But as one who has long had cats as pets, I can tell you that this does not mean that kittens and cats do not exist. The feeding and nutritional requirements for each even differ.

diablo

Northern Africa, talking about it makes me wonder: whatever happened to the Vandals? Those cousins to the Goths (which were Swedes, very likely; we have lots and lots of geographical names starting with the word Got even today) conquered Tunisia and a great deal of the rest of northern Africa, I am told, but then disappeared. Must have interbred out of existence. Wonder have long they stayed, and how much territory they conquered?
Imagine if Whites could have taken back northern Africa.... Hell, when it was colonized by the empires, imagine if the Vandals and Whites before them could have been honored by an expulsion of the Arabs. Northern Africa would have been as prosperous as Europe now. And anti-Whites would have been saying "That's not because it is populated by Whites, it's because it borders to the Mediterranean so it is easy to trade with Europe. Southern Africa doesn't have that advantage." I love their convenient excuses, their explanations of how a particular environment is disadvantageous, or how a past has been unusually plagued by negative coincidences, and how these excuses just happen to cover non-White territory at all times. "The United States is wealthy because it has so much natural resources." Yeah, right. Finland and Japan don't have any natural resources to speak of, but they hold their own. Rhodesia has tons of natural resources, and yet the nigs starve. But I digress.

Originally Posted by diabloblanco92

Thats an important point. The fact that race might be clinal does not mean it does not exist. No one can tell you the exact moment that a kitten becomes an adult cat. But as one who has long had cats as pets, I can tell you that this does not mean that kittens and cats do not exist. The feeding and nutritional requirements for each even differ.

As I wrote earlier, commies are real border-erasing junkies. It's all their ideology is built upon; denying evolution and the differences it has imposed, so they can say "everybody is identical, so any differences in behavior has to be the result of oppression". That's the geist of it, ain't it? I am reading commie literature in school now (for some reason they call it "sociology", which I don't think is the right spelling of Marxism), and one nutjob in particular amazes me with the Jewish brazenness in his book: "Borders don't exist in nature, since all things are one whole. Imaginary borders have been imposed by men." I kid you not. And "There is no reality other than what we subjectively determine it to be." True story. So there are no borders between a raindrop and a rock, or a rock and a maggot, or a maggot and an eagle. It is only we humans who imagine there are differences. Now we know what the "there are no races!" babble is actually part of.

The part in "1984" where the commissary says he could float off the floor like a soap bubble if the Party said he could -- I thought that was a bit exaggerated. But consider the quotes above: the communists actually believe, or make themselves believe, that "There is no reality other than what we subjectively determine it to be." So two plus two equals five if we imagine it to do so! 1984 was dead on!

Useful idiots to the Jews. Science, which is about determining the real nature of things, is better left to real men. The useful idiots are impotent in this area. Only a conservative knows that reality exists, objectively, irregardless of what people think of it.

I remember the entire quote now: "That some borders are difficult to determine has been exploited by some and twisted into meaning that there are no borders at all. But that borders are sometimes hard to define doesn't mean they don't exist."
It was a good speech, full of good quotes, but sadly I don't remember many of them now.

Anyway, the blond Italians, are they from northern Italy then?

[Nordblod]

Originally Posted by Fredrik Haerne

One surprising thing is when you learn there are blond Arabs ... if you walk down the street in a city in the Gulf, you are bound to see blond hair and green eyes here and there, I am told. Funny, that. I asked a Gulf girl about it, and she said "Yes, we are White, you know." Yeah, right.

Yes, I'm sure those particular genes have been there all along. Ridicule aside, however, the question of the incidence of blondeness and light eye coloring in populations other than those in which the traits are most commonly seen (baltic, germanic, slavic, etc.), is quite an interesting one. This layman's theory is rather simple:
The fact that the "formation" of said characteristics sometimes occur in such populations is mostly due to former occasions of interbreeding with those parenthesized above (or their prehistorical "source" - undoubtedly one and the same; by that time by an admittedly miniscule, but unquestionable, margin separated from the other European [or who would later become European - eg Kemp's "Old Europeans" of the Middle East and, possibly, Indus Valley] peoples). I don't buy the oft toted crapoola about these kinds of recessive traits surviving practically undiminished as a racially innate form of distinguishing feature, generation after generation, in the relatively "hostile" environment surrounding the Mediterranean. Those who do believe this can throw everything from angry insults to purportedly unassailable scientific evidence for this ludicrous thesis at me - I remain absolutely resolute in my fanaticism.
(EDIT: ok, so maybe the theory wasn't all that simple)
Furthermore, I can't really claim to understand this obsession with incessantly voicing stentorian proclamations such as: "THESE TRAITS ARE AS MUCH OURS AS THEY ARE YOURS. IN FACT, WE BELIEVE THEM TO BELONG TO US EVEN MORE, DESPITE THE IRRITATING FACT THAT YOU POSSESS THEM TO A FAR GREATER DEGREE."
I mean, one would tend to think that being the chief creators of the greatest civilizations of antiquity would be enough for these people, but nooo, they want to lay claim to that cool-looking eye pigmentation, as well.

Is it too much to ask to let us of the celtic/germanic-slavic-baltic axle to take the credit for this one?

[Nordblod]

Observation: I think there exists a tendency to misjudge this whole concept of what is to be regarded as blonde. I've met crackpots who've adamantly decried the blondeness of Uma Thurman, for instance.
Simply put: there's no such thing as brown hair - there's only dark blonde. This is not to say that there are no brunettes, just that their lighter varieties are in fact blonde (true White brunettes include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Lucy Lawless - I guess some would say that their hair is black, but I suspect they would be wrong; and if they're not, well that just unequivocally proves that the White race possesses all the diversity it could ever need).

[Neptune_Towers]

Originally Posted by diabloblanco92

I totally disagree, White Middle Eastern women on the whole are very racially loyal.Blacks are despised in middle Eastern cultures, even among racial Semites. Although i needless to say consider Jeter a mud, many White women who admire him are not even aware he is racially mixed. I would not be fooled,and neither would you but someone not racially aware could easily be fooled.
In Iran especially Islam is a thin and increasingly hated veneer over a much deeper Aryan culture rooted in several thousand years. Racialist Black Metal is increasing popular among White Middle Eastern youth, especially Iranians.
WNs unfortunately as a group are too set in their ways and one dimensional in their thinking to see the vast potential for subvertiong Islam among this group in much the same way that liberals have subverted traditional Christianity.....As it is White MEs are coming to us without 99% of us even


diablo

I think that many Iranians, and I mean the light skinned ones, have odd shaped eyes. It's not a European trait and probably evolved from their mixing with Mongols.

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Fredrik Haerne

Northern Africa, talking about it makes me wonder: whatever happened to the Vandals? Those cousins to the Goths (which were Swedes, very likely; we have lots and lots of geographical names starting with the word Got even today) conquered Tunisia and a great deal of the rest of northern Africa, I am told, but then disappeared. Must have interbred out of existence. Wonder have long they stayed, and how much territory they conquered?
Imagine if Whites could have taken back northern Africa.... Hell, when it was colonized by the empires, imagine if the Vandals and Whites before them could have been honored by an expulsion of the Arabs. Northern Africa would have been as prosperous as Europe now. And anti-Whites would have been saying "That's not because it is populated by Whites, it's because it borders to the Mediterranean so it is easy to trade with Europe. Southern Africa doesn't have that advantage." I love their convenient excuses, their explanations of how a particular environment is disadvantageous, or how a past has been unusually plagued by negative coincidences, and how these excuses just happen to cover non-White territory at all times. "The United States is wealthy because it has so much natural resources." Yeah, right. Finland and Japan don't have any natural resources to speak of, but they hold their own. Rhodesia has tons of natural resources, and yet the nigs starve. But I digress.



As I wrote earlier, commies are real border-erasing junkies. It's all their ideology is built upon; denying evolution and the differences it has imposed, so they can say "everybody is identical, so any differences in behavior has to be the result of oppression". That's the geist of it, ain't it? I am reading commie literature in school now (for some reason they call it "sociology", which I don't think is the right spelling of Marxism), and one nutjob in particular amazes me with the Jewish brazenness in his book: "Borders don't exist in nature, since all things are one whole. Imaginary borders have been imposed by men." I kid you not. And "There is no reality other than what we subjectively determine it to be." True story. So there are no borders between a raindrop and a rock, or a rock and a maggot, or a maggot and an eagle. It is only we humans who imagine there are differences. Now we know what the "there are no races!" babble is actually part of.

The part in "1984" where the commissary says he could float off the floor like a soap bubble if the Party said he could -- I thought that was a bit exaggerated. But consider the quotes above: the communists actually believe, or make themselves believe, that "There is no reality other than what we subjectively determine it to be." So two plus two equals five if we imagine it to do so! 1984 was dead on!

Useful idiots to the Jews. Science, which is about determining the real nature of things, is better left to real men. The useful idiots are impotent in this area. Only a conservative knows that reality exists, objectively, irregardless of what people think of it.

I remember the entire quote now: "That some borders are difficult to determine has been exploited by some and twisted into meaning that there are no borders at all. But that borders are sometimes hard to define doesn't mean they don't exist."
It was a good speech, full of good quotes, but sadly I don't remember many of them now.

Anyway, the blond Italians, are they from northern Italy then?

Strangely, North Africa was White right up until the Middle Ages. The Islamic civilization that was established there established itself upon Islamizsized Vandals and Berbers, with a small Arab elite. It brought about its destruction by mixing with Black slaves brought up from Central Africa, Fortunately Spain was wrested away from the Moors just before the racial infection might of spread there too, and Southern Europe remained pure Aryan.
But did you know that the French were well on their way to re-Whitening it? Algiers was 75% European in 1914, and this did not count the Berber tribes that had avoided mixture with the Blacks.....The 20th Century started out so hopeful for our arce and ended in disaster.
You will find the largest number of blond Italians in the North, but you will find at least some everywhere, a legacy from the Germanic invasions and the Normans.

diablo

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Neptune_Towers

I think that many Iranians, and I mean the light skinned ones, have odd shaped eyes. It's not a European trait and probably evolved from their mixing with Mongols.

Those are principally on the border with Turkmenistan. But in the heart of Iran, you will find many that are indistinguishable from Southern Euros, and occasionally,some that resemble Nords, those of course mainly being in Northern Iran

diablo

[Neptune_Towers]

Originally Posted by diabloblanco92

Those are principally on the border with Turkmenistan. But in the heart of Iran, you will find many that are indistinguishable from Southern Euros, and occasionally,some that resemble Nords, those of course mainly being in Northern Iran

diablo

I could post pics of Iranians from Tehran that don't look white until the sun comes down. I used to know some Iranians from Tehran who have the look who I speak of. Here's a crowd shot of some non-White Iranians. I'll try to find some with the odd shaped eyes that I am speaking of.

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by Nordblod

Yes, I'm sure those particular genes have been there all along. Ridicule aside, however, the question of the incidence of blondeness and light eye coloring in populations other than those in which the traits are most commonly seen (baltic, germanic, slavic, etc.), is quite an interesting one. This layman's theory is rather simple:
The fact that the "formation" of said characteristics sometimes occur in such populations is mostly due to former occasions of interbreeding with those parenthesized above (or their prehistorical "source" - undoubtedly one and the same; by that time by an admittedly miniscule, but unquestionable, margin separated from the other European [or who would later become European - eg Kemp's "Old Europeans" of the Middle East and, possibly, Indus Valley] peoples). I don't buy the oft toted crapoola about these kinds of recessive traits surviving practically undiminished as a racially innate form of distinguishing feature, generation after generation, in the relatively "hostile" environment surrounding the Mediterranean. Those who do believe this can throw everything from angry insults to purportedly unassailable scientific evidence for this ludicrous thesis at me - I remain absolutely resolute in my fanaticism.
(EDIT: ok, so maybe the theory wasn't all that simple)
Furthermore, I can't really claim to understand this obsession with incessantly voicing stentorian proclamations such as: "THESE TRAITS ARE AS MUCH OURS AS THEY ARE YOURS. IN FACT, WE BELIEVE THEM TO BELONG TO US EVEN MORE, DESPITE THE IRRITATING FACT THAT YOU POSSESS THEM TO A FAR GREATER DEGREE."
I mean, one would tend to think that being the chief creators of the greatest civilizations of antiquity would be enough for these people, but nooo, they want to lay claim to that cool-looking eye pigmentation, as well.

Is it too much to ask to let us of the celtic/germanic-slavic-baltic axle to take the credit for this one?

LOl, look,you Nords do have most of that cool eye pigmentation, but us Meds have always had a measure of it too.
Why? Because its easily forgotten that Us Meds really for the most part did not begin right on the Mediterranaenn sea, but in Central Asia, Iran, the Caucasus. This is signifigant because these places are places with very hot summers , but alos in most case, in varying degrees, frigid winters. So many of us will not only have the bruinet pigmentation of hair and eyes characteristic of the fire of summer, but some tendency towards the bright pigmentation characteristic of the ice of winter....We are literally a people of fire and ice!

diablo