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Old April 24th, 2012 #1
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[despite the name, McMaken is at least half-mexican himself]

Zimmerman, Obviously Not White, Is Now 'Half-White'
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on April 23, 2012 09:35 PM

The verbal acrobatics has now reached the point of comedy in the Zimmerman-Martin case. At first, the earlier (probably-doctored) photo of Zimmerman led me to believe that he was a white Hispanic. Now, in more accurate photos, it's clear that Zimmerman is not even white. He's probably a mestizo Hispanic, and he's certainly not white. Indeed, Zimmerman looks just like the sort of person who, around here, one often sees being harrassed on the roadside by cops for the crime of Driving While Mexican. His skin color is also probable cause in Arizona for an interrogation by police over his citizenship status.

Oh yeah, Zimmerman looks like he just stepped off the Mayflower, and I'm sure he'd fit right in at some Funders Night dinner at, say, the Cato Institute. He's a WASP oppressor if ever I saw one.

So, this desperate attempt to cast the Martin-Zimmerman affair as some kind of white-on-black violence is laughable at this point. If Zimmerman were the victim in some police brutality case, we'd all know how to describe it — yet another brown man getting beat up by cops. Which, trust me, is a frequent occurrence, and Zimmerman's skin color would make him a prime candidate for such violence.

But since Zimmerman must be white to fit the national narrative on the latest orgy of media-incited race hate, he must be, if not white-looking, then at least a white oppressor deep-down in his corrupt white-man's soul.

We might also note that the term "half-Hispanic" which I have also seen used, is a complete nonsense term. Since Hispanic is a cultural designation, one either is or is not Hispanic. Were you raised in a Hispanic household? Guess what, you're Hispanic. You're not half-Hispanic, even if your mother is an Anglo.

So basically, Zimmerman has all of the disadvantages of not looking white, which he doesn't (and yes, there are many such disadvantages) plus all the disadvantages of being a white oppressor. At least that's what we're told by the media lynch mob.

One can only imagine how the race-baiters would deal with the people in this photo of some relatives of mine. Everyone in this photo was either born in Mexico or is the child of someone born in Mexico. Some of them have dark skin, and some have light skin. Are the light-skinned ones "half-Hispanic"? To be most accurate, if the woman on the right, my grandmother, were arrested for shooting a non-white, I guess to follow the newly-invented Zimmerman rule, she would have to be described as "the daughter of white descendants of Spaniards residing in Mexico." In real life several members of her family fought with Pancho Villa in the revolution, oppressive white plutocrats that they were. But hey she looks white, so she must be an honorary WASP. I'm sure the media would manage to come up with the proper term for her. "Semi-white Latina"? "Anglo-Mexican"? Just give them time.


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Old April 24th, 2012 #2
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More "Justice" for Trayvon?
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on April 24, 2012 12:14 PM

A man in Baltimore was
, his head slammed against the pavement, stripped naked, and robbed. Onlookers laughed and cheered as no one stepped in to help him.

[he was attacked for being white, yet that's not worth mentioning? as a purely practical matter, leaving ideology aside, if whites are under attack because of their race, are they supposed to wait until negroes and jews become libertarian individualists before they defend themselves as a race?]


'Justice for Trayvon'
Posted by Lew Rockwell on April 24, 2012 11:00 AM

With their bias and lies, the MSM are promoting just such hate crimes as this.
 
Old July 24th, 2012 #3
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Race & Groups: The Libertarian Blind Spot

By John "Birdman" Bryant (1943-2009)



John Donne could never have been a libertarian because he believed that "No man is an island", while libertarians seem to prefer a sort of reverse philosophy which holds that every man is an island. In particular, libertarians are so busy celebrating "the individual" that they give little or no attention to a phenomenon which is at least as important as individuals on the political landscape, namely, groups. It is true, of course, that groups can be regarded as collections of individuals, but it would be foolish to try to discuss politics purely on the basis of the behavior of individuals and without reference to groups, just as it would be foolish to try to describe the operation of a computer purely on the basis of the behavior of individual molecules and without reference to such important molecular groups as chips, wires, cards and hard disks.

In a way, libertarianism's greatest success is in dealing with a very important group -- government -- by pointing out that social happiness is generally proportional to the extent to which the government keeps its nose out of the business of the citizens. But libertarians virtually ignore the political impact of all other groups, and in particular have failed to heed Lord Acton's injunction that "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". And altho I am certainly no fan of the Left, it is clear that the Left has a far better grip on reality than the libertarians with respect to Acton's observation, since the Left long ago recognized the danger which corporations pose to the body politic.

So what then are the groups on the political landscape which libertarians ignore? They include groups with a financial interest in politics (corporations, labor unions), groups with a racial, ethnic, sexual or similar interest (blacks, Jews, homosexuals) and those with other specialized interests (gun control, gun rights, anti-censorship, anti-porn, medical freedom, etc). Such groups are not limited to lobbying organizations, but include any type of organization that has political clout.

Actually, it is not quite right to say that libertarians ignore these groups, since libertarians probably do direct mail solicitations to many of them. But what libertarians fail to appreciate is that it makes far more sense to view the political game as having these groups as the players, rather than the vaunted "individual" with which libertarians are so enamored. The problem, however, is not just that libertarians organize their political perceptions poorly. Rather it is that their focus on the individual keeps them from seeing how the political process works, and thus prevents them from being an effective part of it, and in addition has caused them to embrace propositions which directly contradict basic libertarian principles.

To explain, we begin by noting that the essence of the American political process -- at least as it involves legislative activity -- is not what the Founders conceived it to be (and what most libertarians seem to think it is), namely, the reflective consideration of what constitutes the greatest good for the greatest number. Instead, the political process may be summarized in one simple phrase: paying off the (few very wealthy) individuals who supply substantial money and the constituencies who supply both substantial money and substantial votes. And who are the constituencies? Very simply, they are the groups which libertarians ignore, and which constitute the major players in the political process. And what is more, such groups are the driving forces behind the types of legislation that libertarians hate: Welfare is driven by the black block vote; the largest recipient of foreign aid is Israel, driven by the notoriously-powerful Israeli lobby; laws hindering business are driven by labor unions; dumbed-down federalized education is driven by teachers' unions; restrictions on alternative medicine are driven by medical organizations and drug manufacturers; affirmative action is driven by large companies seeking to hurt their smaller competition for whom such programs are a greater proportional burden; drug laws are driven by anti-freedom groups and the enforcement bureaucracies, and so on.

But even more important than the libertarian blind spot on groups is the fact mentioned above that ignoring groups has caused libertarians to violate fundamental libertarian principles. To explain, we note that libertarians are enthusiastic advocates of private property, and apparently have no objection to multiple-owner property such as condominiums or stockholder-owned corporations. So logically it would seem they would agree with the notion that countries are owned by their citizens, and may rightfully be defended by force from invaders and other trespassers. And yet we hear no end of libertarians who sing the praises of "open borders" and unlimited immigration.

Which, to put it kindly, is illogical. And also insane.

The insanity springs from what in philosophy is known as reductionism, ie, the belief that the whole is just the simple sum of its parts. The reductionist, then, holds that a country is just a bunch of disconnected individuals, hopefully libertarians.

But this is foolish. A country is not a disconnected bunch of individuals, no matter how much libertarians think they are disconnected from everything except the Internet. It is a group of people who share a language and culture, with the result that their values are similar, and their desire to live together in the same geographic location is considerable. In Sir Walter Scott's words:


Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said
"This is my own, my native land"?
Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned
As homeward his footsteps he hath turned
From wandering on a foreign strand?
If such there be, go mark him well:
For him no minstrel raptures swell;
High tho his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;
Despite those titles, power and pelf,
The wretch concentered all in self;
Living, shall forfeit fair renown
And doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored and unsung.
Love of country, like love of one's mate or one's family, is often not well-perceived until separation. But it is real and palpable, and it has driven men since the dawn of time, as it drives them today. So for that overeducated clique of highbrow deep-thinkers known as libertarians to simply toss this emotion into the intellectual wastebasket as if it were somehow irrelevant to social order is fatuity raised to the nth degree.

Love of country, like love of family, depends on one element more than any other: likeness. One's countrymen are like oneself in language and culture, just as one's family is like oneself in genetic relationship. In fact, this notion is so basic as to be rooted in our very language, and not just once, but twice: We like those whom we are like, and we are kind to those of our own kind.

And one of those elements of likeness is race. It is not the only likeness -- language and culture are also likenesses -- and it may not be crucial in all cases to regarding someone as one's countryman, but it is clearly important.

So what, then, is going to happen to a country which allows open borders (particularly coupled with the temptation of such freebies as welfare and Social Security), whose president celebrates the end of history for the white majority, and where the cult of multiculturalism is rammed down employers' throats and slipped quietly into the minds of youngsters by the New World Orderlies of the Education Establishment? What will happen is very simple: The country, along with its culture and language, and probably its race, is going to dissolve.

And that, as it turns out, does not bode well for libertarians. This is because America, more than any other place on earth, has nourished the idea of individual liberty and brought it to fruition. The culture of America is the culture of liberty. But liberty-loving libertarians seem indifferent to throwing all that away. They are so enamored with corporate profits and so indifferent to the culture which has emerged from the coordinated efforts of the white European race that they are quite happy to flush the American nation down the toilet by allowing swarms of Turd- worlders to intermingle with, and eventually replace, the core American population. And even worse, sending the American nation down the tubes may in the long run turn out not to be as profitable as believed by the calculating Economic Man which libertarians have reduced human beings to; for shipping jobs overseas when American workers are too "inefficient" means the loss of an industrial base and the skills of workers who are employed in that industrial base, a situation which leaves the nation vulnerable in times of war when "free trade" is only a memory. Yes, it is perfectly true that this may result in higher prices for labor, and thus for consumer goods, but pricey goods are a small price to pay for priceless culture. Or to put the matter another way, Do libertarians really want to sell their freedom for a filthy mess of Turd-world free-trade pottage?

Part of the open-borders/free-trade problem is that libertarians recognize that, without the temptation of government handouts, immigrants who come here would be those who want to work, and would therefore -- at least from an economic standpoint -- be good for the country. But this fact still doesn't change the culture argument against open borders, or the reality of immigration as it is now going on. Nor does it change the fact that, if the lower-status jobs which immigrants usually take cannot be filled, this will generate pressure for mechanization and automation which will have a long-term beneficial economic effect.

We spoke earlier about the libertarian blind spot about race, and it is only fair to mention that this blind spot is partly the result of the desire on the part of libertarians to be regarded as "tolerant". And while we may acknowledge this as a nobly-intentioned sentiment, the ugly fact is that we are all racists. We are racists because evolution has made it instinctive for every living thing to love its own kind -- and what is racism but the love of one's own kind? How fatuous it is to think that we are morally obligated to toss out the product of a billion years of evolution in order to keep from being guilty of a sin which was regarded as a virtue till only yesterday!

The reason evolution has made racism instinctive is that group membership helps the individual to survive. Groups give the individual members protection against other rival groups -- and if you don't believe it, just arrange for a sojurn in one of our multicultural prisons. So for libertarians to ignore man's racial nature -- to say nothing of the fact that the notion of individual liberty is a product of white European culture -- is both unscientific and -- if I may say so -- suicidal.

In conclusion, if libertarians are realistic enuf to admit -- and indeed to celebrate -- man's selfish nature, isn't it time that they admitted and celebrated his racial nature as well? Or maybe all they need to do is realize that an interest in their race is really a selfish interest.

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Reconciling
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To include thorny issues involved in reconciling
anarcho-libertarianism with racial nationalism.

by William B. Fox
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First published June 2010.
Last re-edited and updated 3 August 2012

Can we reconcile the anarcho-libertarian theory espoused by Lew Rockwell (left photo), Dr. Thomas D. Lorenzo, Dr. Thomas Woods, the late Dr. Murray Rothbard, and other intellectuals connected with the Mises Institute with the white racial nationalist philosophy espoused by the late Dr. William L. Pierce (right photo), late Dr. Revilo Oliver, or currently by Willis Carto, Dr. David Duke and Kevin Strom? ...To borrow an "Obama-ism" -- YES WE CAN!

http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPag...ism/index.html
 
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They're too soft on freedoms. Especially freedoms of whites to organize. They'll never make it that way. Unless they come right out and defend freedom of association, it will morph into another neo-con party.
 
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They're too soft on freedoms. Especially freedoms of whites to organize. They'll never make it that way. Unless they come right out and defend freedom of association, it will morph into another neo-con party.
it is a neo-cohn philosophy at its root. studied long enough, it becomes clear that libertarianism is sophistry designed to do nothing more than to irritate the established philosophic and political order, by fawning for a return to an imagined past that in reality never was. it performs the same function of the slave riding on the victorious roman general's parade chariot while repeating "glory is fleeting". in short, libertarianism is a circle-jerk. feels good, accomplishes nothing and leaves a mess.
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Give it up, guys. Libertarianism is so pathetically laughable that you'd best switch over to outright anarcho-capitalism with some kind of primitive racial minutemen who'll just walk over and kill marauding niggers.
 
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Black keeps pretending that they care about 1 junkie black killed while the media and the country pretend they don't know blacks kill each other in a daily basis for much more silly reasons. Ah, lets all pretend together and all have an opinion in this great multicultural democracy
 
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it is a neo-cohn philosophy at its root. studied long enough, it becomes clear that libertarianism is sophistry designed to do nothing more than to irritate the established philosophic and political order, by fawning for a return to an imagined past that in reality never was. it performs the same function of the slave riding on the victorious roman general's parade chariot while repeating "glory is fleeting". in short, libertarianism is a circle-jerk. feels good, accomplishes nothing and leaves a mess.
I understood it to be about freedoms. Constitutional freedoms as in business hire who you want, freedom of association, etc. Sell or rent to who you wish, turn away anyone for any reason, etc. At least that's what they claimed to be.
They even speak out against israel.
 
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