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Old November 20th, 2007 #21
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Someone sends a list to 18 people to tell them 84 quit?
 
Old November 20th, 2007 #22
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Someone sends a list to 18 people to tell them 84 quit?
That was a resend of the list.
 
Old November 20th, 2007 #23
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Not to bash the NSM here but take it from me, if the NSM is still the NSM, there is no way they'd admit to that kind of a loss of membership. Right or wrong, its not how they do things. Then again, if what Nick used to say about the NSM hitting its 10,000 member mark last year, then of course, 84 people is hardly even worth mentioning. Sorry Nick! Just ribbing you, bro.
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Old November 20th, 2007 #24
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Cartman??? Does that mean I'm a race traitor if I watch South Park?
The list has damn near ever member that NSM had down South. Lots of good people on that list. Most of them put in countless hours, contributed thousands and gave much, only to be placed on a shit list. No wonder our enemies think we're a bunch of clowns. In the words of Pogo "I've seen the enemy and he is us".
I'll continue to stand shoulder to shoulder in the streets with dedicated White patriots. So be it if you're on somebody's enemy list.
 
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Cartman grew up and changed his name to "Ken Krauss."
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Cartman grew up and changed his name to "Ken Krauss."
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Is that old fruity Krauss?

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Old November 20th, 2007 #27
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I haven't heard anything about him. I bet you dollar one he's still around though. The press loved him, let me tell you. I liked Wild Man Ken Krauss that Mike and I met in Kingston. After that, he started acting funny, talking trash to me on the web, that sort of thing. He's into that satan-crap from what I hear too. I understand he and Herrington drank tomato juice out of human skull while Slayer was blasting in the background. I'm kidding about that but Krauss is a charector. He's mean on the web but a pretty nice guy in person.
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I don't want to invade his personal life more than necessary, but I have been to where he lives -- not exactly a "house", more like a "campground" -- and he is certainly a character, satan worship, wrong side of the road drivin while armed, and general bad attitude aside.

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I haven't heard anything about him. I bet you dollar one he's still around though. The press loved him, let me tell you. I liked Wild Man Ken Krauss that Mike and I met in Kingston. After that, he started acting funny, talking trash to me on the web, that sort of thing. He's into that satan-crap from what I hear too. I understand he and Herrington drank tomato juice out of human skull while Slayer was blasting in the background. I'm kidding about that but Krauss is a charector. He's mean on the web but a pretty nice guy in person.
 
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I don't want to invade his personal life more than necessary, but I have been to where he lives -- not exactly a "house", more like a "campground" -- and he is certainly a character, satan worship, wrong side of the road drivin while armed, and general bad attitude aside.
I'm not out to pick on him for no reason but he did harrass the hell out of Mike for a while when all Blevins did was be nice to him. I guess Ken's mad at the world.
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This supposed "list" was not made or sent by Commander Schoep. The e-mail address is a fake and not his. I have spoken with him and this is nothing more than his detractors acting like jews- mix a bit of truth in with your lies and confuse the shit out of everyone. Some of the names are accurate, most are not. You assholes who have a sore pussy from being booted out of the NSM will have to try harder. Seriously, if you are going to lie, at least try and be credible. Fucking idiots. And by the way, the whole "satan worship" shit.... Please. How fucking dumb can you be? ONE member of the NSM was into that and no longer is among the ranks. Is that all you can come up with? On top of that, a man's religion is his own and noone's business. I personally do not give a fuck if a man who is a good National Socialist goes home at night and worships a bowl of pudding. religion and politics are separate entities. At least, they should be. Who are you fuckers, the Catholic Inqusition now, telling other WN's what god they should worship? Go fuck yourself. And if you don't like that, come on up to Fargo and we will go out back and "discuss" your greivances.... Or if you don't have the balls for that e-mail at [email protected] and tell me what a prick I am with your keyboard. Pray that we do not meet on the fields of battle after this jewish government has fallen and there is no law..... I will skin your ass alive.
 
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This supposed "list" was not made or sent by Commander Schoep. The e-mail address is a fake and not his. I have spoken with him and this is nothing more than his detractors acting like jews- mix a bit of truth in with your lies and confuse the shit out of everyone. Some of the names are accurate, most are not. You assholes who have a sore pussy from being booted out of the NSM will have to try harder. Seriously, if you are going to lie, at least try and be credible. Fucking idiots. And by the way, the whole "satan worship" shit.... Please. How fucking dumb can you be? ONE member of the NSM was into that and no longer is among the ranks. Is that all you can come up with? On top of that, a man's religion is his own and noone's business. I personally do not give a fuck if a man who is a good National Socialist goes home at night and worships a bowl of pudding. religion and politics are separate entities. At least, they should be. Who are you fuckers, the Catholic Inqusition now, telling other WN's what god they should worship? Go fuck yourself. And if you don't like that, come on up to Fargo and we will go out back and "discuss" your greivances.... Or if you don't have the balls for that e-mail at [email protected] and tell me what a prick I am with your keyboard. Pray that we do not meet on the fields of battle after this jewish government has fallen and there is no law..... I will skin your ass alive.
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This supposed "list" was not made or sent by Commander Schoep. The e-mail address is a fake and not his. I have spoken with him and this is nothing more than his detractors acting like jews- mix a bit of truth in with your lies and confuse the shit out of everyone. Some of the names are accurate, most are not.
While I'm not ANSWP, I believe this deserves a reply. First, if you're concerned about this confusion, instead of offering to enroll the entire ANSWP membership in the Doc Martin Dental Plan, why not publish a CORRECTED list of those individuals who left the NSM? That would be a lot more informative and constructive than circling the wagons and assuming a garrison mentality. VNN is officially neutral in this dispute, as far as I know, and it serves no useful purpose for the NSM to be misrepresented.

While you're at it, how about clearing up another rumor? On his blog, Michael Burks published the text of an alleged e-mail from Cliff Herrington where Herrington claims to have taken over as NSM Commander and demoted Jeff Schoep to running NSM88 Records. Is that true or false? If false, it needs to be rebutted straightaway.
 
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It says "All Praise the Hairy Horned God from Hell!"



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It says "All Praise the Hairy Horned God from Hell!"



Too much.
Yeah, that's just a little too obvious. That's why I think an anti may have hijacked the e-mail account and sent it out under Herrington's name. Harry the Kike Schwartz is infamous for that sort of thing.
 
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While I'm not ANSWP, I believe this deserves a reply. First, if you're concerned about this confusion, instead of offering to enroll the entire ANSWP membership in the Doc Martin Dental Plan, why not publish a CORRECTED list of those individuals who left the NSM? That would be a lot more informative and constructive than circling the wagons and assuming a garrison mentality. VNN is officially neutral in this dispute, as far as I know, and it serves no useful purpose for the NSM to be misrepresented.

While you're at it, how about clearing up another rumor? On his blog, Michael Burks published the text of an alleged e-mail from Cliff Herrington where Herrington claims to have taken over as NSM Commander and demoted Jeff Schoep to running NSM88 Records. Is that true or false? If false, it needs to be rebutted straightaway.
First, I must apologize. I was more than a little pissed off. However, the e-mail was in fact a fake. It sends me into a rage when I see petty shoolyard shit like this happening while our race sinks further into the mire. This war is lost if we all do not get on the same page. We don't have to fly the same flag, but we must unite under a common cause. I support and will stand side by side with ANY true white patriot working to save our people.

As for the guy who called me "another nutjob"- You have no idea of the depth of my committment to this struggle. I have marched in 4 major American cities this year and stood against our enemies. What have you done lately for the future of our children? Just curious.
 
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First, I must apologize. I was more than a little pissed off. However, the e-mail was in fact a fake. It sends me into a rage when I see petty shoolyard shit like this happening while our race sinks further into the mire. This war is lost if we all do not get on the same page. We don't have to fly the same flag, but we must unite under a common cause. I support and will stand side by side with ANY true white patriot working to save our people.

As for the guy who called me "another nutjob"- You have no idea of the depth of my committment to this struggle. I have marched in 4 major American cities this year and stood against our enemies. What have you done lately for the future of our children? Just curious.
This cat is on the level. I know who he is. If he's the same guy I'm thinking of, he'll go fists and boots in the street any ol time there's a rally.

I finally came to the conclusion that the NSM and I should part ways but it wasn't over drama or hard feelings. I wish those guys all the luck in the world though. As far as the email goes, I know its fake but I guess it sounded real on some levels so people took to it. I might rib Herrington once in a while but its all in good fun. I have to admit that a lot of it is in envy. I'll never be the orator that he is. Some people just have it. Despite all the weirdness that follows Cliff around, he's done a lot to preserve American National Socialism and inspire people. Ben Franklin was a strange one too, you have to admit.
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While I'm not ANSWP, I believe this deserves a reply. First, if you're concerned about this confusion, instead of offering to enroll the entire ANSWP membership in the Doc Martin Dental Plan, why not publish a CORRECTED list of those individuals who left the NSM? That would be a lot more informative and constructive than circling the wagons and assuming a garrison mentality. VNN is officially neutral in this dispute, as far as I know, and it serves no useful purpose for the NSM to be misrepresented.

While you're at it, how about clearing up another rumor? On his blog, Michael Burks published the text of an alleged e-mail from Cliff Herrington where Herrington claims to have taken over as NSM Commander and demoted Jeff Schoep to running NSM88 Records. Is that true or false? If false, it needs to be rebutted straightaway.
I just read that. I highly doubt there is any truth to that supposed statement. I can tell you for sure that Herrington didn't write that. First Herrington might rail against Christians but he has never put satanism as the vehicle of his reasoning about it. He let's his wife handle the satanist aspect of everything, as far as I know. Further, he'd never say "come out of retirement". Cliff declares from the roof tops that he was thrown out of the NSM due to a plot. It was never explained to me how this plot involved someone planting a bomb under his car (they've blamed NSM members, Christians, jews and Hal Turner for that one), causing his wife to come out about being a satanist-activist (who most of us never heard of but was supposedly a target of Christians), causing Bill White to try to take control of the NSM (I don't understand how that was supposed to work since Bill got in trouble for defending Herrington's wife), then kick him out of the NSM (Vonbluvens was the main Christian and he left over this).
Its confusing but the last thing Cliff would ever say is that he was "retired." He said from the start that he had been ousted due to a plot. Either way, I don't understand how or why there was supposed to be a plot against him.

So in short, he didn't write that. It was likely written to run off any Christians still in the NSM or turn the Klan/CI people further against them. Its a dirty play but I haven't seen one clean one in the game yet. Cliff was very friendly to Mike Blevins, a devouted Christian during their time together in the NSM. Cliff never struck me as what I expected a satanist to act like even though I was/am sure he is. Cliff seemed more annoyed with Christianity than in hate with it. Even after I learned that his wife was a satanist, I just assummed Cliff liked it because it was somehow anti-jewish. We had some good talks on Paganism and that sort of thing. I think he brought up satanism once during each time I had been around him and it was more to freak out Blevins than anything, I think. Cliff also came across like someone who had just got back from a long, bloody war. He fought in Vietnam and from talking to him, you got the impression that he was the last man to leave and he just flew back home last week. The man has seen serious combat too, I'd know that look anywhere.

War does a lot to a man, sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. Either way, Cliff thinks differently than anyone I've ever met before. I often wonder if he didn't come to some great truth in the jungles of South-East Asia or he just lost his mind. Its hard to tell or maybe both conclusions are true. The man would give a speech and you'd be standing there saying, "this guy is reading my mind...this minute!" I put zero stock in the satanist thing but there is something very different about Cliff Herrington. Whatever can be said and whatever can be proved and disproved, one thing can be counted on everytime: Cliff Herrington has balls and the man seems to fear nothing. That trumps all in my book.
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Yes, its me. I first met you at the Columbia rally and I was very moved by your heart-felt tribute to Col. Hoff.... And thanks for at least verifying what I had said. I also must apologize to you personally. My initial rant was probably offensive to those who absolutely nothing to do with this issue, and some were undoubtedly angered by it. But given the current state of our cause, this type of thing sends me throught the roof. Best of luck to you and in all you do Bruder! Hail Odin!!
 
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First, I must apologize. I was more than a little pissed off. However, the e-mail was in fact a fake. It sends me into a rage when I see petty schoolyard shit like this happening while our race sinks further into the mire. This war is lost if we all do not get on the same page. We don't have to fly the same flag, but we must unite under a common cause. I support and will stand side by side with ANY true white patriot working to save our people.
No harm done, but I appreciate you coming back and clarifying your position and rebutting the e-mail. If lies are being told about any WN organization, they need to be exposed.

Four rallies in one year - I'm impressed! That takes time, money, and resources. :cheers
 
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Yes, its me. I first met you at the Columbia rally and I was very moved by your heart-felt tribute to Col. Hoff.... And thanks for at least verifying what I had said. I also must apologize to you personally. My initial rant was probably offensive to those who absolutely nothing to do with this issue, and some were undoubtedly angered by it. But given the current state of our cause, this type of thing sends me throught the roof. Best of luck to you and in all you do Bruder! Hail Odin!!
Hey, no problem, bro! I don't really think anyone got upset about what you had to say. My advice to everybody is that, whoever is fighting each other---let them fight it out. Stay out of it. Too many life-time enemies are made over some guy's girlfriend or someone's $100 someone else owes them, etc.

The Col. left us in the middle of a lot of projects. After that, it just didn't feel the same. People can bitch and swear about Jeff Scheop but he took care of Wild Bill. Someone told me last weekend that they gauged a lot of their opinion of me on how I treated the Col. Well, I gauge a lot of my views on Jeff Scheop on how he treated Wild Bill. Jeff is the Commander of the NSM, but he always treated Wild Bill like he was in charge. Not only that but he made sure Wild Bill had anything he needed. Jeff Scheop padded William Hoff's final years of service to his people and treated him like the hero he always was and is. Jeff might get mad and make wrong decisions but nobody can argue that he isn't loyal. For all their shortcomings, Jeff's loyalty combined with Cliff's fearlessness really brought that party far.

If I ever had a family spring up around me in addition to my regular family, it was in the NSM. You had Wild Bill, the wise and kind grandfather, Jeff, the older and very protective brother, Cliff, the wild eyed uncle, Bishop--in contrast, the calm, patient uncle and the list goes on and on. You couldn't make up better charectors in a book.
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