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Old August 3rd, 2005 #81
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What proof do you have that Paul was a secret agent of a Judaist conspiracy?
Saul was a Jew.

He conspired with other Jews.

That makes it a "Jewish Conspiracy".

It's so simple even a monkey can grasp it.
 
Old August 3rd, 2005 #82
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Sweetie, that he was a Jew doesn't make everything he does a "conspiracy." Try again. Or maybe it's time you admit that you don't know, eh, bullshitter? Come on, be a man, admit you can't be sure your freaky conspiracy theory is true.

Why do you think no WN organization has ever handed out fliers with the heading "READ ABOUT THE GREAT JEWISH CONSPIRACY THAT CONTROLS CHRISTIANITY SO IT WON'T ACCEPT LENDING AGAINST INTEREST"?

Btw, you are suspiciously silent on the fact that your precious quotes contradict you. Hitler clearly says in those quotes you laborously gathered that he believed Paul acted on his own. He was not part of the Great Conspiracy you earlier said controlled the Catholic Church.

What do you have to say about that? Isn't Hitler just a big ol' meanie for not agreeing with your precious theory?
 
Old August 3rd, 2005 #83
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Sweetie, that he was a Jew doesn't make everything he does a "conspiracy." Try again. Or maybe it's time you admit that you don't know, eh, bullshitter? Come on, be a man, admit you can't be sure your freaky conspiracy theory is true.

Why do you think no WN organization has ever handed out fliers with the heading "READ ABOUT THE GREAT JEWISH CONSPIRACY THAT CONTROLS CHRISTIANITY SO IT WON'T ACCEPT LENDING AGAINST INTEREST"?

Btw, you are suspiciously silent on the fact that your precious quotes contradict you. Hitler clearly says in those quotes you laborously gathered that he believed Paul acted on his own. He was not part of the Great Conspiracy you earlier said controlled the Catholic Church.

What do you have to say about that? Isn't Hitler just a big ol' meanie for not agreeing with your precious theory?
You have got to be the most willfully ignorant imbecile I have ever encountered.

Hitler said it was Saul's idea, and it's common knowledge that Saul was working with other Jews. The other gospel-writers and the other early "christians" were Jewish.

I had you pegged from the your first post on this topic... a pseudo-intellectual, a sophist, and a fuckhead.

Did I miss anything?
 
Old August 4th, 2005 #84
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The issue here isn't whether Christianity is a detriment to the white race or whether it has allowed Jews to remain in our society and psyche, but rather the way it is being worded. You try to attract people with that and they'll A. Call you a conspiracy nut, and B. many will just say "so what". You have no idea how VAST is the breadth of white apathy these days.

Rather than focusing on the intentions of Christianity's founders almost 2000 years ago, we need to focus on REVERSING the psychological damage TODAY. We also must weed out the Christian-psyhcology behind other "secular" creeds expoused in the Western world(e.g. humanism). The problem is HERE, and NOW, and the most dangerous Jew is the little Jew in our heads. We all grew up in this society; whether in a Christian or non-Christian home we have been raised under that mindset. We need a total remapping of our psyche.

Bickering about who knew what nearly 2,000 years ago is pointless.
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Old August 4th, 2005 #86
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You have got to be the most willfully ignorant imbecile I have ever encountered.
Translation: "Waah, waah, you meanie! Sob, sob!"

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Hitler said it was Saul's idea, and it's common knowledge that Saul was working with other Jews. The other gospel-writers and the other early "christians" were Jewish.
Sweetie, little boy ... Hitler said it was Paul's idea, on his own. Hitler's wild theorizing about Paul is without any proof whatsoever, but let's assume Paul really set out to destroy the Roman Empire. That he worked with a couple of other Jews who were also Christians doesn't mean anything. You claimed there was a huge Jewish conspiracy stretching through thousands of years, and that Paul was an agent of it. Now that huge conspiracy has shrunk to a handfull of Jews acting on their own. You are forced to retreat step by step, and it makes me laugh out loud to watch you squirm like this. Squirm freak, squirm!

What Hitler speculated one evening without proof, is no proof of your theory whatsoever. Or do you think Hitler was some sort of all-knowing god? Yes or no? You can answer that simple question, can't you?

It doesn't matter what HITLER guessed. It doesn't matter what NIETZSCHE guessed. It doesn't matter that PIERCE once sent you an email reply saying he wanted you to join the NA, an email you have saved and drooled over all these years as if he would be agreeing with your feverish paranoia. Don't you realize he sent similar replies to all racialists who managed to move their lazy asses enough to send an email? Didn't that ever occur to you? Oh, sorry to burst your bubble then.


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I had you pegged from the your first post on this topic... a pseudo-intellectual, a sophist, and a fuckhead.
LOL Finally mustering enough courage to repeat it, instead of just biting your pillow and mumbling it late at night when nobody can hear you. I wonder how many tears you have cried over this thread. You must have thought you would be greeted as some holy fucking prophet with the Key to Explain Everything. But you're just a useless conspiracy freak, who does nothing except fantasize in your home. "Sophist," oooh, baby learned a new word! LOL Go get your dictionary and learn another one. Maybe you can make someone believe you actually went to college. Oh, what was that again about you studying business? Strange how you didn't repeat that lie again. I guess you're ashamed of it.


I ask again, little boy: what PROOF do you have that Paul was an agent of your ridiculous Great Conspiracy that controlled the Catholic Church and stretched through thousands of years? Are you going to answer that now, or are you going to avoid the question like a lying Jew once again? Here's a hint: SOMEONE ELSE'S GUESSWORK DOESN'T COUNT AS PROOF. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, YES OR NO?

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Old August 4th, 2005 #87
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"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters.

Do you believe that this "great" prostitute is that same whore of Babylon? I believe that this whore is today, the catholic church? What say you?
 
Old August 4th, 2005 #88
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"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters.

Do you believe that this "great" prostitute is that same whore of Babylon? I believe that this whore is today, the catholic church? What say you?

Revelation was originally a Jewish, not Christian(there was little difference at the time) document. It described the coming of the Jewish Messiah to punish the Romans, not Jesus. It wasn't until someone attached a Christian preface to it that it suddenly became associated with Christianity and therefore a second coming. The Whore of Babylon is most likely something that existed in the time of the author.
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Old August 4th, 2005 #89
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One more piece of evidence for the thinking people:

The "maddening wine" that Jeremiah referred to is mentioned multiple times by the Jews who wrote the Book of Revelation (Revelation means "a revealing"):

Here is one example:

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"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."

- Revelation 17:1-2
The dualistic doctrine adhered to by the Essenes (the first "Christians") was actually an adulteration of Judaism contracted from the Zoroastrians during the Jewish exile in Babylon.

Saul, being a devout Pharisee, correctly recognized that the pacifistic dualism adhered to by the Essenes was a blasphemy, and began persecuting them.

However, when he realized that he could use such "black & white" divisive dualism as "a sword" with which to divide Roman society against itself, he realized he had found the weapon prophesied by Jeremiah, and decided to use it to destroy Rome.

Dualism is an irrational form of absolutist divisiveness first conceived by the Aryan prophet Zarathustra. Once Zoroastrianism took hold in Persia, a collective madness took over the people, and they began to wage holy wars of extermination against all "unbelievers". That was the first Jihad.

That same dualism in Jerusalem was correctly viewed as an abomination (or "adultueration") by Saul. However, instead of fighting it, he decided to reshape it and put it into a form attractive to all the nations and kings "of the North", to fulfill the command of Jeremiah:

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'Take from my hand this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they drink it, they will stagger and go mad because of the sword I will send among them.'

So I took the cup from the LORD's hand and made all the nations to whom he sent me drink it: ... all the kings of the North, near and far, one after the other—all the kingdoms on the face of the earth. 'Then tell them, 'This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.'

- Jeremiah 25:15-17, 26, 27
Nietzsche realized all this, and that is why he titled one of his books "Thus Spake Zarathustra", because he was essentially attempting to undo the dualistic madness created by Zarathustra and so craftily twisted and wielded by the manipulative liar Saul of Tarsus.

That is why he wrote the following in his book The Antichrist:

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" And once more the priestly instinct of the Jew perpetrated the same great crime against history... "

- "The Anti-Christ", Chapter 42, line 6
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" Paul understood the need for the lie,... "

- "The Anti-Christ", Chapter 47, line 4
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" What he [Paul] divined was that with the aid of the little sectarian movement on the edge of Judaism one could ignite a 'world conflagration',... This was his vision on the road to Damascus: he grasped that to disvalue 'the world' he needed the belief in immortality, that the concept 'Hell' will master even Rome. "

- "The Anti-Christ", Chapter 58, lines 15 - 16
And in another book, Nietzsche wrote:

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" I regard Christianity as the most fatal and seductive lie that has ever yet existed."
Hitler, being an astute student of Nietzsche, realized this as well, and thought it an important enough topic to say this:

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"The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life's final task will be to solve the religious problem. Only then will the life of the German native be guaranteed once and for all. I don't interfere in matters of belief. Therefore I can't allow churchmen to interfere with temporal affairs. The organized lie must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master."

- "Table Talk", p 143, Dec. 13, 1941
 
Old August 4th, 2005 #90
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You have got to be the most willfully ignorant imbecile I have ever encountered.

Hitler said it was Saul's idea, and it's common knowledge that Saul was working with other Jews. The other gospel-writers and the other early "christians" were Jewish.

I had you pegged from the your first post on this topic... a pseudo-intellectual, a sophist, and a fuckhead.

Did I miss anything?
For some reason the poster that you are crossing swords with is seeking to persuade us all that there is no jewish conspiracy through either economics or religion to enslave our race.
His arguments run counter to the basic tenets of white nationalism.
I invite other posters to read his words on these subjects.
 
Old August 4th, 2005 #91
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For some reason the poster that you are crossing swords with is seeking to persuade us all that there is no jewish conspiracy through either economics or religion to enslave our race.
His arguments run counter to the basic tenets of white nationalism.
I invite other posters to read his words on these subjects.

A vast, shadowy conspiracy is not a tenet of white nationalism. Well, maybe it is. I don't know it's hard to tell when nobody has ever attempted to create a rigid set of tenets for white nationalism.
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Old August 4th, 2005 #92
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For some reason the poster that you are crossing swords with is seeking to persuade us all that there is no jewish conspiracy through either economics or religion to enslave our race.
His arguments run counter to the basic tenets of white nationalism.
I invite other posters to read his words on these subjects.
He is either a troll, a Jew, or he is just here as a disturber because he doesn't like me personally. It's amazing to me that some people will purposely attempt to interfere with searches for truth just because of their own personal agenda. As Hitler said in Table Talks, such people have no regard for the truth. To such people, their words are just weapons they use to conceal the facts instead of expose them.
 
Old August 4th, 2005 #93
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A vast, shadowy conspiracy is not a tenet of white nationalism. Well, maybe it is. I don't know it's hard to tell when nobody has ever attempted to create a rigid set of tenets for white nationalism.
Just labelling something a "conspiracy theory" does not make it untrue.

On the contrary, the Jews are engaged in a conspiracy against all other peoples, and it is all detailed right there in their own religious writings.
 
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"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters.

Do you believe that this "great" prostitute is that same whore of Babylon? I believe that this whore is today, the catholic church? What say you?
The "prostitute" represented the corrupt rulers of Jerusalem, who were co-operating with Rome, represented by "Babylon". That explains why Jerusalem was called "The Whore of Babylon".

The book of Revelation was written about events that happened over 1900 years ago... it has nothing to do with the present day, except for some insane fundamentalist preachers who attempt to replicate the destruction of Aryan Rome by equating America or Europe with "Babylon", and thereby unconsciously doing the destructive work of the Jews for them.
 
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For some reason the poster that you are crossing swords with is seeking to persuade us all that there is no jewish conspiracy through either economics or religion to enslave our race.
His arguments run counter to the basic tenets of white nationalism.
I invite other posters to read his words on these subjects.
You're just pissed because you were banned a while back.
Run counter to? I'm afraid not. But the small group of conspiracy theorists in this forum always freak out and throw around wild accusations of "You're a Jew agent! A Jew agent! A JEW AGENT!" whenever their theories are questioned.
 
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White . . . "Nobility", I see you are still too afraid to answer my questions. I smile when I see how incapable you are of answering simple, direct questions, and instead resort to whining.


1. You claimed there was a huge Jewish conspiracy stretching through thousands of years, and that Paul was an agent of it. Now that huge conspiracy has shrunk to a handfull of Jews acting on their own, with Paul in charge. How is it your millennia-old, huge conspiracy has suddenly shrunk to just an agreement between a few individuals? Why did you change it?

2. What Hitler speculated about one evening, is no proof of your theory whatsoever. Or do you think Hitler was always right in everything he said? Yes or no? Do you think Nietzsche was always right in everything he said? Yes or no?

3. I ask again: what PROOF do you have that Paul was an agent of your Great Conspiracy that controlled the Catholic Church and stretched through thousands of years? And no, quotes of other people's speculation doesn't count as proof.
 
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White . . . "Nobility", I see you are still too afraid to answer my questions. I smile when I see how incapable you are of answering simple, direct questions, and instead resort to whining.
Um, no. I have answered every question posed to me. You are just lying to distract from the fact that you have refused to outline the conditions constituting "proof" by your standards.

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1. You claimed there was a huge Jewish conspiracy stretching through thousands of years, and that Paul was an agent of it. Now that huge conspiracy has shrunk to a handfull of Jews acting on their own, with Paul in charge. How is it your millennia-old, huge conspiracy has suddenly shrunk to just an agreement between a few individuals? Why did you change it?


Where did I say it was a "huge" conspiracy?

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2. What Hitler speculated about one evening, is no proof of your theory whatsoever. Or do you think Hitler was always right in everything he said? Yes or no? Do you think Nietzsche was always right in everything he said? Yes or no?
I have not read everything Hitler or Nietzsche ever said, so I could not answer those questions. Nice try at sophistry though.

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3. I ask again: what PROOF do you have that Paul was an agent of your Great Conspiracy that controlled the Catholic Church and stretched through thousands of years? And no, quotes of other people's speculation doesn't count as proof.
Proof ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prf)
n. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

Proof in whose mind... yours?

If so, then you are the only one who can delineate what conditions would constitute "proof" in your mind. I can't read your mind, nor would I want to.

However, you have repeatedly refused to establish the conditions which would constitute "proof" by your standards, making it impossible to meet them.

Since you have no real interest in this topic, or in finding the truth of the matter, your insincere demands for "proof" are just a cloaked attempt to disturb the discussion and give me a hard time because you simply don't like me personally.

That's ok... I don't like you either.

But, I have no need to hide my dislike of you behind sophistry as you have done repeatedly.

Blatantly dishonest behaviour of your sort is very Jew-like.
 
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This is fun!

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Um, no. I have answered every question posed to me.
Um, no. You haven't. I have asked you if you have any proof for your claims besides a couple of quotes, and you have repeatedly refused to reply, at least a dozen times. I have asked if you think Hitler was a god who knew everything, and you refused to answer that. I asked if you thought Nietzsche and Hitler were right in everything they said, and you refused to answer that. Now is the first time you answer -- and even now you are avoiding the questions!

Let us see how:

Look at White Nobility squirming and twisting words like a Jew again!


Evasion of question, #1:

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Where did I say it was a "huge" conspiracy?


Chain, is he still doing a good job? Do you think that last evasion was a good reply?

Very well, then. Scratch the word huge. You claimed it was a big conspiracy, one that controlled what was written in the Bible about moneylending hundreds of years after Jesus lived -- that could hardly be the work of a single man. Only lately, when it has been shown you have no proof of such a conspiracy, have you pretended you only meant it was Paul and a few others involved in it.


Evasion of question, #2:

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I have not read everything Hitler or Nietzsche ever said, so I could not answer those questions. Nice try at sophistry though.
Aww, "sophistry," I'll give you a pat on the head for knowing big words, just like an adult. Keep it up, the thesaurus is thick and has plenty of nice words for you!

Let me rephrase, then: do you think everything you have ever read by Hitler and Nietzsche is true?

And whether or not you have read everything by them, you should be able to answer this simple question: do you think they were right about everything they ever said?

I can answer that question, if posed to me: I don't think they were right in everything they ever said. It's a pretty obvious answer. I don't think any other poster here at VNNF thinks they were right in everything they ever said either. It's just not humanly possible. What about you, what do you think?

I know why you are avoiding the question: if you admit that they could be wrong, then the speculations you quote over and over, showing they thought Paul hated the Roman Empire which you claim is proof they believed in a conspiracy, aren't necessarily true, just because the speculations come from Mighty Nietzsche and Mighty Hitler. And then you have nothing!


Evasion of question, #3:

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Proof ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prf)
n. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

Proof in whose mind... yours?

If so, then you are the only one who can delineate what conditions would constitute "proof" in your mind. I can't read your mind, nor would I want to.

However, you have repeatedly refused to establish the conditions which would constitute "proof" by your standards, making it impossible to meet them.
Umm, no. I have not "repeatedly refused to establish the conditions which would constitute 'proof' by my standards." In fact, I have said several times that quoting speculations doesn't qualify as proof. Not that you asked me to "establish the conditions," that's just something you came up with right now.

What a pathetic lie. As if that would save you.


And besides, I think the only one here who doubts what the words proof and evidence mean are ... you. Nobody else is impressed by your squirming.

I ask again: what proof do you have Paul was an agent of a Jewish conspiracy? Quoting someone else's speculation does not constitute proof. Nor does it help you to twist words, or try to find spelling errors. Sorry, boy.
 
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So, you manufacture lies out of thin air, I challenge them, and I'm "evading"?
Oh, so now you pretend you never claimed there was a Jewish conspiracy?

Right.

I refer to your title for this thread:

Jew Plan for Economic Enslavement of Goyim, proven by Jew-Bible AND Protocols of Zion

The title doesn't say "Paul's plan." You obviously thought of a much bigger conspiracy, which you also reveal in your earlier posts. But now you can't back that up.

Your turn.


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You are an admitted fabricator and liar. I think that much is clear to everyone here. Underneath all your petty large fonts and childish emotional outbursts, you are just a liar and a shit-stirrer, and everyone reading these posts knows it. You know it! LOL
Translation: "Waaah, waah! This is the only thing I got, so I must post four threads about it to get as many pats on the back as I can! And now you don't believe in it! You meanie!"

Emotional outbursts? I am just laughing at you. You're the one with the emotional outbursts. I am a "fucking shithead" or whatever. I told you to keep it civil, and now that you don't ... you have only yourself to blame.


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Ooh, I must be a Jew, because I don't agree with you.

Ooh, I am going on ignore. Yeah, right. LOL Must the the thousandth time someone says that, only to show later he was lying.


You also lied when you said you have replied to every question. You have repeatedly avoided questions. For example, you avoid the once below, which I now post again:

Let me rephrase, then: do you think everything you have ever read by Hitler and Nietzsche is true?

And whether or not you have read everything by them, you should be able to answer this simple question: do you think they were right about everything they ever said?

I can answer that question, if posed to me: I don't think they were right in everything they ever said. It's a pretty obvious answer. I don't think any other poster here at VNNF thinks they were right in everything they ever said either. It's just not humanly possible. What about you, what do you think?
 
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You wrote that I was going on ignore, and now you show you lied. And now you have deleted it to cover your lie.

LOL

I knew you lied, of course.

You also lied about never posting here before, just lurking -- eh, Jarl?

You also lied about having studied economics in college.

You also lied about answering every question. For example, you cannot answer the questions I ask in my last post here.

Four lies by you, just off the top of my head.
 
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