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Old October 11th, 2014 #21
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In a sense, the Jewish synagogue culture of eternal and useless debate has supplanted the Aryan man of action. Trustafarians like Johnson and Spencer have trouble relating to the underdog story of Hitler, a man who did instead of debate, because they've never known struggle. Incessant yapping is a privilege reserved for the very few. They see more of themselves in the Junger-style Conservatives who plotted to assassinate Hitler because he threatened their decadent order, than they do in the popular social revolution Hitler led globally.
That may be, but there is still serious intellectual work to be done, as I said - verbal warfare. And none of these folks grasps that. They are entirely content to debate using opponents' terms and frames. This is the more serious problem. WN simply has to separate from conservatism once and for all, but this won't happen from the quarters above because they get social benefits from networking.

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The New Right is very concerned with how they look, because they don't want to be bigoted rednecks. Fine. Hitler's forces not only united the entire white world (except the parts that speak English), but even had pretty much all the non-white races eager to help establish the Nationalsocialist order, which was the simple universal nationalism vs selective globalization by Jews.

Absolutely refusing to acknowledge any of the kind of earth shaking achievements the Germans made in the racial struggle is a pitfall that leads right into Jewish hands. Joseph Goebbels' writings from the 30's and 40's have far more wisdom and useful information for activists today than any of Richard Spencer's zombie movie youtube reviews. Isn't that sad, that no ideological advances in the racial cause have been made in 70 years? If anything, regression is a better word for this time period. And why is that? It's because people like Taylor and Spencer refuse to even LOOK at what the Germans had to say, while the poof Johnson knows what they had to say (and knows they were right) but as a queer with no character, doesn't like rustling any feathers.
That's accurate. I wouldn't underestimate the British ethnic bias either, or I should say Anglo. I have seen this first hand when I worked with professional conservatives. They are pro-jew, pro-Irish, pro-British, but very anti-German. This has carried over into WN, and along with Southern anti-intellectualism, it presents a formidable barrier to progress. Anyone with an open mind can read the NS stuff at calvin.edu and see that even though it was written nearly 100 years ago, it is more pertient to our cause today, even in terms of tactics!, than literally anything any conservative or alt-right conservative has written...ever.
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #22
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The thing I can't stand about the half-arguments of the likes of Liddell and Johnson is that they, like all conservatives, act as though the playing field is level, as though the machinery is open on equal terms to all players. It's not so. He blathers on:

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As for “conferences and essays,” one could point to the original Marxists and the later Frankfort School as examples of revolutionary change growing out of abstruse books, arcane essays, and soporific conferences.
But these essays didn't change the world - it was jews' control of the academy, press, law schools and politicians that saw to it that white-destructive nostrums from this school and other places got circulated and repeated till all were familiar with them. This is the all-important fact. Conservatives ignore media control as the dispositive factor because it destroys their "we're all in fair game, our side just has to perform better" charade. There is almost nothing that can be done in politics without media control. If you don't have media control, you have to win the battle pretty much in the streets house by house - as Golden Dawn has attempted - successfully. Then eventually, after years of that, it translates into the ballot box. But even then, you're swimming against the entire media stream, and if you succeed even to the modest extent of medium-high single digits (7%!) you literally get thrown in jail!

None of this is acknowledged by Liddell, Johnson, Taylor or the rest of this crew. They don't live in the real world, they live in the world of professional fundraisers working the white adult market, i.e. professional conservatism. Alt- neo- paleo- -- whatever. It's the same old grandpa gunk it always has been.
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #23
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I repeat there IS intellectual work to be done, but it's not in the way of articles, essays, reviews and books. It's in the way of terms, frames and slogans. But the PhDs can't grasp this. They will keep doing what they've done in the past. They will raise money, but they will make no progress. Our cause is not complex. Our cause does not require white men or women to go through stages to learn. Our cause can be reduced to slogans and put on posters. Just as Goebbels said it could and proved it could in Germany last century. Strip the truth down, make it bare and simple as possible, and all can see and understand. Truly, as the Nazis said, the Liddell/Johnson types write for each other, to impress one another, not for their people.
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #24
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So, Mr. Linder, what do you propose? Do you think Pierce's way is what should be done more? You, yourself, should ponder doing podcasts like his. You're very charismatic (even more so) and clear-sighted, just like William Pierce.

I know he has had a huge effect on many nationalists in Europe. You could do the same thing.
 
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That may be, but there is still serious intellectual work to be done, as I said - verbal warfare. And none of these folks grasps that. They are entirely content to debate using opponents' terms and frames. This is the more serious problem. WN simply has to separate from conservatism once and for all, but this won't happen from the quarters above because they get social benefits from networking.
I tried to do that in Sweden. Nobody got the point, or idea, of that. Far too many believe we're in a democracy of 'convincing' people. Not at all. Not at all what is going on.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #26
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So, Mr. Linder, what do you propose? Do you think Pierce's way is what should be done more? You, yourself, should ponder doing podcasts like his. You're very charismatic (even more so) and clear-sighted, just like William Pierce.

I know he has had a huge effect on many nationalists in Europe. You could do the same thing.
Well, thanks. I have done podcasts. I did 10-12 earlier this year. I will be doing more. I don't know exactly when.

You can find my ideas in the strategy section and elsewhere.

I'm not a Nazi, mainly because I'm not a socialist. I don't believe in planned economies. I believe in market economies racially constrained. That is, penalty of death for breaching the racial grounding law of the new white state.

Whites can't agree on much. The ones who want to keep being white, the only way to do that is live in all-white nation. That's pretty much the it and all of white nationalism. Which is why it draws criticism, but I think it's a strength. It's like a tent pole barn. You can have whatever you want at the picnic tables, but you get protection from racial rain. That's the only function for the central state. The rest, people can divide up into the freedomists like me (fuck off, leave me alone, get off my grass - private, voluntary arranements), religious freaks like catholics, other arrangements. But race will be the law of the land and the basis of the new state.

I differ from Pierce somewhat in that I don't get off on bossing people around, and, unlike 99% of racialists, I know a lot about the limits of government. It simply isn't a good way to accomplish most things - see the government we have now. That doesn't change because Aryans are running things. They're still corrupt and likely to enrich themselves. But at least we'd have an all-white nation. Yes, it would have to be dictatorship, permanently on the racial stuff. For the rest, microstates beneath the federal umbrella are the way to go. Whites are the most individuated race. They need their space. They need privacy and private money to pursue their dreams. They can't have this when they're working 50% of their time to fund the central state. This is something that half or more WN do not understand. They want what we have now, but without the anti-white part. I don't want 99% of what we have now, from the central government. I don't believe in Jebus or regulation, and that puts me apart from right and left.

BTW, I have discussed this stuff in various podcasts.

Now, how we get where we need to go, the political path rather than the end state we/I seek, I have also written about. In a nutshell I advocate:

- polarization.

between Team White (us) and Team Jew (our main enemy gets pride of name, but TJ includes all muds and white fuckheads/assorted (sex)deviants. TW is all who want a normal white America, which I don't have to explain, we all more or less agree.

To get to that polarization, we must pursue a double-tined and necessarily simultaneous pitchfork attack on TJ and the professional conservatives.

- we destroy the conservatives. why? they're sort of like us? why not work with them? because they are weak and useless - and they stand between us and the public. they have smart and well funded men who make plausible and articulate spokesmen. yet they wont do anything to defend our race. in fact they will denounce racialism as morally evil and collectivist. they are brainwashers of our people and no different from our outright enemy on the racial stuff. their religion (xtianity) and their political leaders both tell them race doesnt matter and race-free individualism is the only morally proper way to live and go. they believe this. they dont read or think, so they are misled. they must brought to our side by destroying their faith in their leaders by making them appear ridiculous and weak - thru mockery more than argument, altho incorporating the data used in argument.

We destroy the fake-white right, the "it was all a game, a way of making a living" (professional conservatives/tism) and at the same time we're continually doing battle with the main enemy - the jews who formed and dominate and set the agenda (what I call The Agenda, i never define it because dont need to because it's obvious in everything 'mainstream,' all frames, terms, etc conduce the same direction) for every official institution.

- final battle between Team White and Team Jew. Team White wins. Team Jew is destroyed - for all times. Unlike the foolish, weak, intellectually defective christians who came before us, we do not sweep the jews out our door to be let back in at a later date, we bury every last one of them twelve feet under (just to be sure).

Then we arrange our white society as we like, taking full advantage of modern technology to allow the individuation that pretty much defines or distinguishes our race from others the ability to flower and flourish. But no one is allowed to second guess the racial basis of the state. That is capital crime. On that there is no seconde opinion.

in this way we provide a context in which the white man can live as both a Man and as a White.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #27
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I tried to do that in Sweden. Nobody got the point, or idea, of that. Far too many believe we're in a democracy of 'convincing' people. Not at all. Not at all what is going on.
Does a really goodlooking woman have to persuade people she's attractive?

Of course not. That's ridiculous.

So it is with the white racial cause. It's inherently attractive to normal whites. That's why they move and marry white. (Move to whiter areas when they relocate). That's tacitly admitted by our enemy when he has to buy up all the newspapers and tv outlets and quash debate. When he has to call our position hate so he can avoid debating it, and even get laws passed against its expression, as he has in Sweden and most of Europe.

So, voting may be part of what we do, and campaigns, but they're obviously not the main thing, since the System is completely queered against our participation from birth to death, across all social institutions. if we try to run like other parties, we're participating in a rigged game. I mean, we may do that, for our own purposes, but we aren't just another democratic pandering party option. We are something profound and essential. Something necessary and really entirely outside the scope of democratic politics, which is simply who can steal more from whom for whom. Ours has little to do with that world.

Are whites just consumers who happen to have light skin? If so, then the world we have is good enough. If being white means something more, if it requires that we live among our own kind in order to flourish, then we'd better see about arranging that before our lands are completely swamped. That's white nationalism right there. It's biological more than it's political, actually. It's about the context in which we live, and the meaning we give our existence and lives.

If people are happy with what they have and see around them, then our cause won't go. But if they're unhappy, then we are there to offer them the only solution that can work, whether in Sweden, USA or anywhere. Teaching people thru the Internet is one of the best things we can do, it shouldn't be underrated. Of course ultimately and simultaneously white nationalism is an outdoor thing.
 
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Notice that repression has moved from sex to race. Jews have trained us to suppress and regard as low and dirty our normal racial drives. We blush to admit them in public. We're scared to admit them in public. We act on them in private, but we don't admit it, even to ourselves. White nationalists offer racial liberation. Psychological liberation must precede the political liberation. Humor accomplishes this. That is why VNN focused on it from day one, back in 2000.

It is a very narrow idea of education that excludes humor, and one that is perhaps not fit to teach - much.
 
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Be warned about Sebastian Ronin:

http://penetrate.blogspot.com/2013/0...ight-wing.html

He also uses his Facebook (besides trying to sell his book on regurgitated WN politics) cadre of mindless minions to harass people to don't agree with him.
 
Old October 12th, 2014 #30
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Greg has a lot more in common with Richard than I do:

1.) They are both focused on metapolitics.
2.) They are both self avowed elitists.
3.) They are both White Nationalists who incline toward a broader view of the struggle (i.e., focus on the decline of our civilization as a whole rather than any part of it, which is “petty nationalism”).
4.) They are both vanguardists.
5.) They are both heavily influenced by Nietzsche.
6.) They are both critical of Christianity.
7.) They are both into fascism, not the straight out Hitlerian Der Sturmer “populist” stripe, but lesser known, more intellectual varieties.
8.) They are both intellectuals. They both take their ideas very seriously.
9.) They both share a disdain for conservatism.
10.) They both downplay the Jewish Question relative to other White Nationalists, not to the extent that Amren does, but their position on that issue is very similar.

Aside from being on opposite sides of the Ukraine vs. Russia conflict, Greg and Richard have a lot in common, ideologically speaking. They have similar personalities.

Radix and Counter-Currents appeal to the same audience. I think this conflict has a lot to do with being so similar that they step on each other’s toes.
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Old October 12th, 2014 #31
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Yeah, funny that. The only unusual thing about Johnson's latest breast-beating i-should-have-known-better is he didn't call Spencer narcissistic. As he has every other person he's fallen out with. But he probably has and I missed it or he will.

There's no fidelity - to people or to principles.

"Lew" got it right - once again, the solid VNN principle of rejecting those who exculpate jews proves its validity as a white-protecting principle

Either you're openly pro-white and anti-jew, or you're not one of us.
This has a real Animal House feel, with Johnson as Flounder.

Johnson (weeping): The conference! Ruined!

Spencer: You fucked up, you trusted me!

My impression was Spencer shut down Alt-Right for the same reason the "Southern Avenger" renounced all his old radio shows, but instead of doing a 180 degree turn to the antifas like that idiot Spencer's trying to straddle the fence, no problem if you have no balls.
 
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Alex Linder: "The thing I can't stand about the half-arguments of the likes of Liddell and Johnson is that they, like all conservatives, ..."

They are not traditional phony conservatives. But the problem with them is that they won't stick to a consistent position. Sometimes they seem to be deliberately talking nonsense for the heck of it, simply to spite their fellow White Nationalists. For example, they will affect to believe that Jewish nonsensical theories have had as much of an impact as the takeover of the academy, press, law schools and political parties by Jews. Actually, Jewish nonsense is only useful as a way to fill up the space and silence White people.

Last week, Johnson and Liddell had a lot of fun calling Anglin a retard. But it is difficult to draw any conclusion from that. Greg Johnson has made clear his admiration for Hitler in a number of articles. And he has published Irmin Vinson's essays. I think the disagreement is mostly over style: Johnson and Liddell think that hurling juvenile insults at fellow White Nationalists gives them an aura of seriousness.

In his latest article about "vantardism", Liddell even started talking like Anglin:

Liddell: "This negative linkage is, in essence, no different from that used by Leftists as they attempt to demonize any ethnonationalist stirring as the first step towards Hitler and six million lampshades."

I like the Daily Stormer's reports from the holohoax memorial in Berlin, and from Anne Frank's house in Amsterdam. It has educational value. You can see the actual picture of Anne Frank made into a lampshade, with the caption: "Anne Frank died of typhus after the allies bombed the supply lines. Following this, she was made into a lampshade or whatever lol." It reminded me of Ramzpaul's Easy Bake Anne video.

That kind of article quickly makes people realize they are played for fools by the Jews. After that, they are ready to listen to Eric Hunt. Then they start seeing the problem of being ruled by hostile Jewish "elites" who push for race-replacement.
 
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I repeat there IS intellectual work to be done, but it's not in the way of articles, essays, reviews and books. It's in the way of terms, frames and slogans. But the PhDs can't grasp this. They will keep doing what they've done in the past. They will raise money, but they will make no progress. Our cause is not complex. Our cause does not require white men or women to go through stages to learn. Our cause can be reduced to slogans and put on posters. Just as Goebbels said it could and proved it could in Germany last century. Strip the truth down, make it bare and simple as possible, and all can see and understand. Truly, as the Nazis said, the Liddell/Johnson types write for each other, to impress one another, not for their people.
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Old October 13th, 2014 #34
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That kind of article quickly makes people realize they are played for fools by the Jews. After that, they are ready to listen to Eric Hunt. Then they start seeing the problem of being ruled by hostile Jewish "elites" who push for race-replacement.
A good point, Armor. Kind of a warmup act for the main event.
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Alex Linder: "The thing I can't stand about the half-arguments of the likes of Liddell and Johnson is that they, like all conservatives, ..."

They are not traditional phony conservatives. But the problem with them is that they won't stick to a consistent position. Sometimes they seem to be deliberately talking nonsense for the heck of it, simply to spite their fellow White Nationalists. For example, they will affect to believe that Jewish nonsensical theories have had as much of an impact as the takeover of the academy, press, law schools and political parties by Jews. Actually, Jewish nonsense is only useful as a way to fill up the space and silence White people.
From what I can tell, and am still reading, they are two different cases. They are both mealy mouthed for money. That's the commonality. Liddell isn't anti-nazi, he's anti-German. Same as the guy at Majority Rights. These guys simply will not concede that Hitler was the good guy. This is the basis of their rejecting him - it would mean their little ingland was wrong. They can't handle that emotionally. Being intellectuals, they come up with veiling reasons for their position, but it is what I say.

They are tri-torn between their hatred of Germany, their knowledge of the facts, and their need for money/desire to network with conservatives. They keep trying to triangulate between all these, like a 3-dimensional game of pickle. Every word Liddell writes smacks of peevish asperity, and that gernally comes when one is at least somewhat aware of one's bad faith. Liddell deliberately mischaracterizes the Johnson-Anglin set-to. Anglin whipped Johnson, smoothly and suavely. On both substance and style points. That is no mean feat. Johnson can be quite persuasive, even when he's mealy mouthed and sophistic, as he often is these days. Liddell says Anglin was butthurt. No, that would be you. If you hate Germany, how irritating must it be always to have to include jew-crit simply to get page views, yet carefully temper it to keep your paychecks coming. This is the part of the debate that doesn't come to the surface. The writers in the Vdare cloud, of which Johnson and Liddell are at the outer edge, or just outside, do limit what they say. This is why they are so heatedly peevish at those who say everything that needs to be said - they recognize it as an implicit critcism of their punch-pulling. This is true for Liddell at least. Not so much for Johnson, as he has always criticized jews. He simply associates with people, and makes excuses for people, who work with or for jews, simply because it's to his personal advantage.

The central irony of the Liddell's is that they must maintain two contradictory positions re the 'vantards':

1) they're a tiny insignificant ghetto;

2) they are presenting alt-right from taking power.

It's beyond ridiculous. Anglin skewers some of it, but it's even funnier than he grasps.

Basically, these alt-right folks are high-IQ clowns who don't realize they're clowns, and that's the funniest kind of clown of all. Everyone with a brain can see it, but they can't.

You can't be for anything white-racial and be respectable.

Because of the jews.

But a certain slice of high-IQ bourgeois right-wingers will never accept this; never accept that yes it is this bad, it is the jews, it doesn't matter how well pressed your suit is and nice your appearance, you will be virtually lynched by being chained up to the very Hitler you're trying to run away from...

...and run away from for no reason. These guys, Johnson at least, even admit that the Hitler defenders, revisionists et al., are right on the facts. Yet they run away from them. While claiming intellectual descent from them. The mind boggles at all the flipping here. But we verge into the matters already discussed on another fine thread...

Two things that need badly to be debunked are:

1) Overton Window

2) mainstream vs vanguard

These concepts are completely bogus as applied to WN. I will explain this later. Hint: you have to start with how the political system actually works. When you understand that, which I and others have explained many times, you see how the Overton Window only applies to people controlling the mass media - leftists. And how for WN, the idea of spectrum or degree is the wrong analogy: this stuff is black or white, off or on. Far better analogy or metaphor. More on this later.

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Last week, Johnson and Liddell had a lot of fun calling Anglin a retard. But it is difficult to draw any conclusion from that. Greg Johnson has made clear his admiration for Hitler in a number of articles. And he has published Irmin Vinson's essays. I think the disagreement is mostly over style: Johnson and Liddell think that hurling juvenile insults at fellow White Nationalists gives them an aura of seriousness.
It's partly about money. But Johnson is also simply wrong, but can't admit it. I destroyed his silly arguments about "stepping over," see the Chechar link somewhere. Anglin destroys him again in this latest contretemps. Why Johnson is obsessed with that dead weirdo Bowden, I honestly wonder and don't understand, but he is.

There's nothign to run from. The instincts of guys like Anglin and Eric Hunt are correct. Johnson used to be valuable because he was the ONE, the ONE, PHD who grasped let's call it the spiritual side of politics. He came up through VNN. We discovered him. He wrote for us first. He should have learned the lesson. But he didn't. He was interested in social climbing, and if that meant dumping solid politics, he was willing to pay that price.

He's now mealy mouthed and inconsistent, and he doesn't realize it, he thinks he's being clever.

We will be tied to Hitler no matter what we do. Rush fucking Limbaugh is tied to Hitler, no matter what he does. SO is George Bush. So is any white male who isn't an out-and-out communist. So that isn't something worth worrying about. Everyone but foolish Johnson and British Liddell can see this.

We -- our children -- read about "the" "holocaust" daily in the NEWS. So it's not history. It's literally DAILY NEWS. So how you going to pretend it's something can be stepped over when white children are being intellectuallly molested with Anne Frank's novel in English and in history? And that's just one tiny aspect of the monstrous lie machine. How are you not going to fight on that? Why would you turn down the chance to attack it?

How pro-white can these men be when they're encouraging us not to debunk our worst enemies biggest most helpful lies -- when we have the evidence proving he's lying?

The irony here is it's the formal intellectuals encouraging the course of not using our knowledge. Don't you find that kind of funny? And it's the lesser formally educated who think that real knowledge is powerful and useful.

I find that interesting.

Where has evasion gotten conservatives like Liddell over the decades? Nowhere. That's why white racialism must break with these losers in terms of tone and tactics. It should and must be uproarious, funny, FUN, aggressive, dynamic, spirited and energetic. But these conservatives, and however they style themselves, the latest neo alt not the same old/yes the same olds, they are always for the niggling, stickling, demurrers and nibs nibs maintain low tones. And even then, oh yeah, don't mention the big H is a complete fraud. That's totally useless trivia in real politics...mmmkay, Liddell.

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In his latest article about "vantardism", Liddell even started talking like Anglin:

Liddell: "This negative linkage is, in essence, no different from that used by Leftists as they attempt to demonize any ethnonationalist stirring as the first step towards Hitler and six million lampshades."

I like the Daily Stormer's reports from the holohoax memorial in Berlin, and from Anne Frank's house in Amsterdam. It has educational value. You can see the actual picture of Anne Frank made into a lampshade, with the caption: "Anne Frank died of typhus after the allies bombed the supply lines. Following this, she was made into a lampshade or whatever lol." It reminded me of Ramzpaul's Easy Bake Anne video.

That kind of article quickly makes people realize they are played for fools by the Jews. After that, they are ready to listen to Eric Hunt. Then they start seeing the problem of being ruled by hostile Jewish "elites" who push for race-replacement.
The race goes to the real men, not to the silly little girls eternally worried about how they look to others.

The masses are feminine. They want to be fucked by a man, not pestered by a bunch of neurotic girls.

What's the "white" thing to do regarding Hitler?

Does he not deserve respect? Did he not try harder and get farther than any man yet in protecting our race? Are we not to give him his respect? If so, then where do we get off calling ourselves the noble race (the meaning of Aryan)?

I will continue to maintain, the British are going to sink our race yet again by their dogged unwillingness to take any responsibility. They will not see things as they were/are even after the fact. They will go down and become western pakistan before they ever admit the late Germans were right and they were and are wrong. They would quite literally rather become turd-colored Pakistanis than admit before the world they wronged Germany. Well, the white racial movement needs to take this into account when it reads British-empire writers or any writers of British descent. British culture can't defeat the jew and has tended to work with him in recent centuries to the extreme detriment of the race.

That's part of the reason I advocate complete separation between the White movement and conservatism. Our goal is to lead our people to sovereignty. That means, first, their seeing us as an option. Mixing with the Brits at alt-right or Vdare doesn't help that goal, it hinders that goal.

We must be a jealous tendency, hating and attacking all competitors, all men and profiteers and carpetbaggers who would take our people's minds away from us and our agenda. We must be ruthlessly intolerant of these folks, among which the numerous, well-funded professional conservatives of any strip are by far the biggest enemy.

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What Anglin is unequivocally saying here is that before you can do anything at all about preserving and protecting the White race – stopping mass immigration, say, or encouraging White women to have at least 2.1 babies – you must first get everyone to love Hitler and hate the Jews, and if you can't accomplish these supposed preconditions then you had best forget the whole shebang, So what he is really saying is simply:

"You cannot preserve the White race."

This negative linkage is, in essence, no different from that used by Leftists as they attempt – thankfully with diminishing returns over the years – to demonize any ethnonationalist stirring as the first step towards Hitler and six million lampshades.

For both Anglin and Leftists the essential thing is linkage between the two. Leftists say that whatever you do to protect and preserve the White race ultimately leads to Hitler, while Anglin says before you protect and preserve the White race, you must first get everyone to love Hitler.
That's Liddell. It is exceptionally dishonest. "Before"'...nah, not before. Same time. All this shit is the same thing and utterly inseparable. This is a variant of the same dishonesty inherent in the Jared Taylorite line - you don't love white people you hate jews. You care more about hating jews than saving whites. Which is nothing but an intellectually dishonest attempt to pretend two things aren't two sides of the same coin. You can't do anything pro-white without doing somethign anti-jew. Since jews are the ones who passed the laws and provided the media coverage, in short created the environment that necessitates a solution in the first place. These liars simply pretend it isn't that way. The only interesting question is whether they're arguing in good faith. Jared Taylor is not. I suspect Colin Liddell is not either.

I guess jews have spent decades demonizing Hitler into the sum of all evil because it's really Colin Liddell they fear.
 
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even though there are plenty of flaws in the story of the Holocaust, most people are going to keep on seeing it in the way that the mainstream media present it.
that goes for race itself. i mean, ever heard of 'racism' liddell? ever been called a racist?

might as well jettison the whole project if the fact that jews demonize something renders it indefensible
 
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Ok, so when you're called hitler and a nazi and a racist and holocaust-wannabe'er, whatya gonna say liddell man?

"oh i'm stepping over that"

An answer so dumb one can only wave one's open mouth.
 
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There's not hte slightest thing alt- about any conservatism, it's all the same thing. We need to defend ourselves. We need to argue our bona fides. We need to be honest about our side's failings. We must never laugh very loudly or raise our voices, lest others think we're not good girls.

This is now how a winning cause acts, it's how guilty, scared losers think and act. They want to seem different from that other subset of losers - without actually being different in tone and temperament and, for the most part, ideas.

Take the bullshit atrocity propaganda that is holocaust and shove up tthe jew's greasy twat. You're a racialist? You're Aryan? That means noble? Then why are you running from your race's greatest exponent? That's cheap and greasy cowardice. Liddell. Johnson.
 
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Our people don't need arguments, they need leadership. That means lack of fear. What better way to show you lack the carefully inculcated fear than to defend Hitler and his happy crew of white warriors?

If you do it ably and persuasively, then the support will begin kicking in. Whether you're a genuine NS or not.
 
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