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Old January 18th, 2020 #1
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“The most notorious – and the most destructive – act of Christian cultural genocide was the deletion of Archimedes’ mathematical treatises. In their place was found a Byzantine liturgical manual. This is known as the famous Archimedes palimpsest. The most important of these manuscripts, the Method of Mechanical Theorems, reveals that Archimedes had a rudimentary understanding of the integral calculus; he was the first to calculate the area and volume of solid geometric figures using infinitesimal magnitudes. This was some 2000 years before Newton and Leibniz, the modern discoverers of the integral and differential calculus. If Christianity had not retarded scientific and technological development in ancient and medieval times, mankind would be far more advanced than he is now. Christianity was the single greatest impediment to material progress in the history of Europe.”

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Old January 18th, 2020 #2
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We've already rejected Christianity. What's missing is something to take its place.
 
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We need a racial religion, one that allows our race to hash out its own path forward, where ideas and perspectives can compete and those that best resonate with our people can rise to the top, in an environment of constant exploration and advancement; a religion that emerges from and is shaped and defined by our race, and in turn, helps to define our race.

It's not a cuddly religion that has all the answers if you just follow the advice of the priestly caste and stay in their good graces; no it demands that you grapple with the issues yourself, heeding and building on the wisdom of your ancestors and racial comrades, always striving to be Aryan.
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Old January 18th, 2020 #4
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We've already rejected Christianity. What's missing is something to take its place.
Indeed. Since the 'Enlightenment' Christianity has been in a downward spiral. When this so-called enlightment hit the scene it brought it with it the foul ideas of human equality and the brotherhood of man. So why are we discussing something that occurred over 1,700 yrs ago when in much more recent centuries the demise of this is why the West is in the current mess?

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The spread of Christianity across the Mediterranean was the work of enterprising, itinerant Jews.
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As Christianity developed an established institutional framework within the empire, theologians began to find themselves in dialogue with Jews and pagans who were hostile to the new religion
Can somebody expound on this contradiction and also explain the quote below?

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What made Christianity especially reprehensible was that it had inherited all the worst features of Judaism, namely intolerance and bigotry. The religion also spread like a contagious disease.
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Old January 18th, 2020 #5
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Christianity didn't come from our race, it never resonated with our race (the best of our race had to be slaughtered to force it upon the remaining weaker souls), and it was objectively detrimental to our race.

The long and the short of it is Christianity was never a racial religion, and no amount of modern-day shoehorning can change that.
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"Toward a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People"




 
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"Toward a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People"




Yeah, dogmatic Cosmotheism is something we want to avoid (and I think even Dr. Pierce would have agreed). Here is a post from a Stormfront Cosmotheist ("goyim123") that illustrates the problem:
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General advice to any Cosmotheist believers.

If you want to get others on board, consider showing them the Aaron Collins book of course, but also Will Williams, Kevin Alfred Strom, and many others have great resources. I for one was raised Presbyterian but consider reading it and if it could change me a once devout Christian into someone who believes a faith that makes sense here is a list of things you can do.


Start a club for Cosmotheism with your friends and family.

On weekends for a few hours immerse yourself in the faith in your free time.

If you don't understand certain things yet try to deconstruct each sentence in the broader concept.

Remember if you are skeptical, has William Luther Pierce ever steered our people wrong?

Convince others by talking and make sure to read on the National Vanguard about this subject!
I bolded the problematic appeal to authority to make the point that no authority figure has all the answers, not even the late great Dr. Pierce; and Pierce would not have wanted Cosmotheism to be used to shut down skeptical inquisition, but rather to act as a springboard to explore the issues.
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Old January 19th, 2020 #8
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Predictable the death of Europe and mass intermixing, migration co-instanced with European rejection of Christianity. Keep being marxist, keep being mixed.
 
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Predictable the death of Europe and mass intermixing, migration co-instanced with European rejection of Christianity.
Christianity is what got us into this mess. Christianity inspired European missionaries to Christianize half of Africa (and the rest of the world).

Now Europe is ironically mostly secular, while Africa is religious. I just don't see how, even if Europe were to embrace Christianity again, they could keep African Christians from migrating in; in fact, I could see hardcore European Christians actively inviting foreign Christians in to swamp out the remaining atheist Europeans.

The problem is Christianity isn't a racial religion, like Judaism is (meaning for the most part you have to be born into the religion).
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I don't even think it should be easy for, say, a German-Aryan to convert to French-Aryan, although I belive conversion should be possible in exceptional cases. But that's something that needs to be worked out by the various peoples.
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Christianity is what got us into this mess. Christianity inspired European missionaries to Christianize half of Africa (and the rest of the world).
Baptizing a half of Africa during last centuries has nothing to do with mass migrations to Europe last decades. If Christians were neuatral about Africa and it was fully inhabited by muslims, it'd not change anything now.


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Now Europe is ironically mostly secular, while Africa is religious.
So, religious Africa has high birthrates, while secular Europe has high rates of gay parades only. Even if someone "Aryan" makes possible to close the border and kick out of shitskins back to Africa, European secular population could increase only if scientists find out the way to reproduce kids in gay families.
 
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Baptizing a half of Africa during last centuries has nothing to do with mass migrations to Europe last decades. If Christians were neuatral about Africa and it was fully inhabited by muslims, it'd not change anything now.
Africans would still want to come, but if Europeans had a racial religion of their own they would have the will and balls to stop them.

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So, religious Africa has high birthrates, while secular Europe has high rates of gay parades only. Even if someone "Aryan" makes possible to close the border and kick out of shitskins back to Africa, European secular population could increase only if scientists find out the way to reproduce kids in gay families.
Yeah, secularism has to go. I want Europeans religious again, but not Christian. Instead Aryan. They will produce babies for their race, they will outfuck the Africans I promise you.
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They will produce babies for their race, they will outfuck the Africans I promise you.
It can be argued that our population is actually to large, that the white race has a significant overpopulation of defectives and undesirables, many of whom aren't even needed for their labor anymore because their jobs are being made obsolete by technology.

We shouldn't seek to outbreed the Africans, the goal should be to game manage them, to reduce their population to sustainable levels in order to protect the beautiful environment of Africa and magnificent (non-nigger) wildlife.
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We shouldn't want outbreed the Africans, the goal should be to game manage them and to reduce their population to sustainable levels in order to protect the beautiful environment of Africa and magnificent (non-nigger) wildlife.
This. One anti-White "argument" I have heard on numerous occasions is for Whites to just have more kids. When, first of all, we should not have to compete with turd worlders for population anymore than we should with roaches or rabbits. Secondly, that still does not close the floodgates of these undesirables into White countries.


The population explosion of negroids in Africa is an artifical one mind you. Their numbers started rising exponentially during the second half of the last century due to western medicinal care and feeding campaigns. Niggers have always reproduced like roaches because many offspring died young and the life span of a typical negroid was very short by human standards. When the artifically created variable of human aid is thrown into the mix the entire balance of nature is destabilized.
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This. One anti-White "argument" I have heard on numerous occasions is for Whites to just have more kids. When, first of all, we should not have to compete with turd worlders for population anymore than we should with roaches or rabbits. Secondly, that still does not close the floodgates of these undesirables into White countries.


The population explosion of negroids in Africa is an artifical one mind you. Their numbers started rising exponentially during the second half of the last century due to western medicinal care and feeding campaigns. Niggers have always reproduced like roaches because many offspring died young and the life span of a typical negroid was very short by human standards. When the artifically created variable of human aid is thrown into the mix the entire balance of nature is destabilized.
100% Correct. I would also say that this artificial experiment has inadvertently elevated niggers about us in the most unfortunate way; because these things were bred for labor (by whites) and cared for with abundant food and effective medicines (created by whites) and we have not expected anything of these animals, they are succeeding in physical sport where they should never have been able and reap incredible rewards and now have access to white women of rare genetics, which like everything else the nigger touches, they will inevitably destroy. This is due to white obsession with sports (because they are the only remnant of a cohesive community) and training techniques and supplemental equipment and nutrition also developed by whites.

If you were to take a civilization as a whole and pit their athletes against each other, none would be able to compete with us, but instead we actually have traitors promoting these niggers and smirking and guffawing about them fucking white women, while denying aid to developing white athletes, because niggers, like the animals they are, mature into adulthood by 13-15, and of course will be bigger than white children the same age.
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It can be argued that our population is actually to large, that the white race has a significant overpopulation of defectives and undesirables, many of whom aren't even needed for their labor anymore because their jobs are being made obsolete by technology.

We shouldn't seek to outbreed the Africans, the goal should be to game manage them, to reduce their population to sustainable levels in order to protect the beautiful environment of Africa and magnificent (non-nigger) wildlife.
Yeah, you're right, I was being flippant. We don't need to outbreed Africa. But we do need to bring our birthrates up; I can't think of one European nation that isn't in demographic decline.

My larger point is being religious, having a sense of confidence and destiny, a feeling of belonging, having a homeland: these all go a long way toward increasing the birth rate, as the demographics of Israel demonstrate:
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Eugenics of course is the path forward, but we need to be careful once we go beyond the first step of eliminating obvious genetic defects. Maybe the role of the state would be to inform the public on the latest research behind "designer baby mods", but I'm wary of the state interfering too much here. (Of course it's up to the particular nation to decide how intrusive they want the state to be.)

Some folks might design their babies to be higher IQ, even if an inevitable side-effect is that they are higher on the autism spectrum; and in other nations folks might be aghast at this. Any rate, I tend to believe stable, loving, responsible parents are best qualified to make these kinds of decisions about their offspring, rather than the state.

The other point about creating sustainable nations in Africa (or anywhere) brings up a dilemma. On the one hand, you could "punish" a clearly unsustainable nation by refusing to trade with it or give it aid, and also refusing to take in refugees, hoping they will put pressure on the government/society to become more sustaintainable. But that could be seen as incredibly cruel and inhumane, especially if folks are starving, etc...

The other option is to step in and take over and manage things before they get to a boiling point. This might objectively be the more humane option, but it also opens you up to the ire of the people who are being managed; they won't see it as humane, they'll see it as evil. So it's a catch-22.

But in general, the goal is to have sustainable nations in balance with the environment, and nations that fail this test should be targeted by the more responsible nations of the world.
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We shouldn't seek to outbreed the Africans, the goal should be to game manage them, to reduce their population to sustainable levels in order to protect the beautiful environment of Africa and magnificent (non-nigger) wildlife.
As it just so happens an experimental nigger game preserve has been created:



It has been widely advertised:



And each visitor receives a Pocket Field Guide with the price of admission:





And remember, this nigger game preserve has taken every precaution to make it a pleasant experience for all white visitors:

 
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Predictable the death of Europe and mass intermixing, migration co-instanced with European rejection of Christianity. Keep being marxist, keep being mixed.
Christ-insanity is universalist. It was the precursor to Marxism. Jew scibes wrote the old testament and the new. You are just a belligerent retard, and sucker for jewish scripture, both religions and political. You appear to have a penchant for American Zionist neocon propaganda, considering how much you attack Putin and Iran. This is jewish political scripture. And you are one of their little golems.
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Christ-insanity is universalist.
And that will always be the problem with it. Bob Mathews, leader of The infamous Order, complained that it was members of the Christian clergy who always actively opposed his recruiting efforts and I've had a number of Christians over the years tell me that while I'm right on the facts (regarding racial issues) those facts are "not Christian". These nitwits really believe that white people acting in their own best interests is devilry.

Christianity prevents white people from seeing the world as it is and so deforms the brain that foe become friend.
 
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Africans would still want to come, but if Europeans had a racial religion of their own they would have the will and balls to stop them.
Supposed "Aryanism" was never a racial religion. At best, the caste system of India hadn't prevented White people from almost complete assimilation and disappearance among billions of sub-humans of dravid race. Other religious branches of Indoeuropean people such as Roman pagans were fully multicultural, importing gods and myths across the whole Mediterranean area, forcing local semitic an african tribes to accept Roman gods, allowing faggotry. There was no such thing as a European unity before Christianity, all white tribes were into mutual feuds and it had no difference to kill a person from neighboring white folk, tribe or other race.


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Yeah, secularism has to go. I want Europeans religious again, but not Christian. Instead Aryan. They will produce babies for their race, they will outfuck the Africans I promise you.
You're proposing for people in XXI century to accept invented religious views that barely existed 4-5 centuries ago. It's an absurd and illogical goal, even secular nationalism makes greater since. You're one rejecting Christianity, while this religion was a basis for anti-semitic pogroms during last two centuries, until it was completely replaced by pro-jewish priests, sects and artificial, absurd "jew-Christian unity".
 
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