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Old May 29th, 2004 #41
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Picture a sea of 100,000 black faces with a light dusting of 1,000 White faces asking for equal representation in the march. Also, the black is a thin-skinned creature in my experience.
Come to think of it, David Duke and Louis Farrahkan hold a summit and agree to work to form a coalition to do only one thing - bounce the jews from power in America. They can have israel, but without American money and bodies. It would sure throw a wrench into the whole judeo-christian thing as well. White christians working with islamists? Pre-1948ism? Nice.
 
Old May 29th, 2004 #42
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Blacks are stupid, but they aint that stupid.

Whats in it for them? Get rid of the jew, so theyre only left with whites running them out of town? Ha! Im sure they would rather stick with the jew.
Are you kidding? the average black doesn't even know someone is a JEW unless they see him wearing a yarmulke. Your average Black guy on the street corner doesn't know a damn thing about Jewish involvement in the Black Civil Rights movement. The Jew is just another rich White man to your typical ghetto coon. Only Nation of Islam sees the Jew.....

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Old May 29th, 2004 #43
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Martial Law? We skirt that every day. That's why I see a summit between our best and NOI's best with major media coverage, sure to be there as LF is a big draw. Duke, Alex, Billy and others could form our side. A nice sitdown and discussion like you see on the jewtube between heads of state. I'de be there with full producton in a heartbeat, ready for broadcast. It would definitely twist ZOG and wake up the fence sitters.

Let them declare martial law, no one believes them as it is and the mere example of two hating races coming togther for one common goal would rip their heads off and wake up those we really need, soldiers against the jews. We can sort the rest out later.
 
Old May 29th, 2004 #44
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Default Congratulations on the Creation of your "Civil" Forum!

I think Franco and Chain will make excellent moderators.

Regarding Duke, did you find he had a good sense of Humor? Much of the Criticism, Jesting, and Questions really should be taken with a grain of salt, Wouldn't you agree?

I can appreciate your tone of Respect and Admiration for Duke's Accomplishments and I think you are acting Honorably for respecting his personal wishes regarding your attendance at his personal Homecoming. Perhaps at a later time, he can get a first hand look at what "Vnn" and the "Vnn Forum" are all about and then he can talk with you again. An ongoing dialogue with more inter-personal communication can only aid in mutual understanding and potential cooperation.

"We can", as different groups, target our specific market groups and get along just fine embracing our common goals. Through a genuine civil dialogue,

"We can" iron out our differences in a civil manner and agree to dis-agree if necessary, without hindering our momentum towards achieving our common goals for our People.

"We can" Educate, Inform, and Encourage "our people" to be Knowledgable, Successful, and Honorable.

David Duke has great potential to make the right decisions concerning your future relationship. Perhaps after speaking with you personally, he will Appreciate your Sincerity, your Drive, and your Capabilities!

Keep up the Good Work Alex, I look forward to reading Duke's post's in the new "Civil" Forum.

P.S. How is your garden coming along? Perhaps you could post an update in the gardening section. Thanks.
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Let's try our first moderated discussion on the subject of David Duke, the man and his approach.

At the last minute, one of our new moderators, Chain, offered to share costs on a late trip to New Orleans to the Duke Conference. Yesterday, attempting to make reservations, he was told by James Kelso, "Charles A Lindbergh" at Stormfront, that we were unwelcome. After a bunch of calling, I was finally able to get through to Kelso, and after some hostile back and forth, he set up a phone call from David Duke, whom I spoke with for a couple hours until his battery ran out.

A few quick impression of Duke, and then I would like yours.

-- Duke said he felt that VNN's approach would clash with his, and I took this to mean he would feel more comfortable if we were not there. As he is the guest of honor, I told him to rest easy, if he feels that way, it is better that we not attend. Duke is far more like me in personality and background than like Kelso or Strom or Gliebe. What appears to me to be the situation, and which I told Duke, is that his guys are feeding him lies about VNN and me and what we are doing. He feels strong loyalty to Don Black, and seems to believe that we have attacked Black. I said, I don't think I've ever written a word about Black that was critical until I saw his whining that we weren't kicked off the same server he was. Not only was that childish and inappropriate, it wasn't true. Anyway, I conveyed to him that he needs to read us and judge us for himself, just the way he wants to be treated, and take the well-poisoners with a shaker of salt. I believe he will do this.

-- He believes we on our side should go our own way, and not worry about others, and in the long run this will produce the best results.

-- He's taken with the idea that our cause can sweep over the Aryan world in a very brief time, using the example of Islam and the Arabs in the 7th century, which covered their world in a generation.

-- His books are enjoying huge success in Europe, and he's working on a new one putting forth a new racial creed, something that can attract and inspire our people.

-- He takes a loose view of our side, and refers to it as the right. He says Francis is absolutely a racialist, and that Jared Taylor is not insidious, but confining his work to race. He sees it as newcomers picking up some race here, some jews there, and pretty soon grasping the whole problem, and so it is better not to criticize those on our side.

-- He said he has 20 good years left. He's 53, and in very good shape, takes vitamins, and has come out of prison stronger and more determined than ever.
It sounds like he's not going to formally ally with any group, nor build his own, but write and speak and travel. He will work with different people and groups on a project basis, and said he would look over VNN and see whether there were ways we could work together.

I'd like to hear some of your responses to this information, and I'll throw in some more stuff later.

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Old May 29th, 2004 #45
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If we don't do something soon--while we're still the dispossessed majority--it will be more than "1,000,000 times" harder to win this in the future, it will be impossible. After they've demoralized and cowed us into second guessing ourselves into inertia, like they've done here with you, they will come to kill or enslave our women and children. The evidence has forced me to conclude that the jews only fight war one way: a war of extermination.

We would still remain the majority if white men, would make their women have 6 kids.

Right now the white population is OLD. Young white people are few and far between.

Mexico has a huge young population.

Are you willing to gamble our young people can pull off a win, short handed?

Id say it would be wise to breed first, then fight.

People die in war, white people, and you have to account for that by overbreeding.
 
Old May 29th, 2004 #46
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Heh!....an alliance with the NOI! How weak and stupid are we. Have you dummys ever read what the NOI thinks about White people? Elijah Muhammad and his Whitey be dey debil inbented by a blax scientitz?

God damn.... how far we have fallen that we need niggers to help us!

BY BROTHERS...WE ARE WHITE MEN! Read your history! We are tamers of continents! Traversers of great seas! Inventors and ingenuity and imagination of things the mud world could not even begin to fathom!!!

And you're telling me we need mud hut builders and grub eaters to help us against the jew?

God Damn....how far we have fallen!!!!
That's is one way to look at it. Then again, what are thhe two most powerul adversaries in America today? White's and 'muds'? (yeah, the jew has pitted us against each other since slavery, which they financed and executed - we know who'll end up on top after the jew falls). But to have it backfire in their hebeish faces would surely leave an impression. I'm not talking about fullscale compliance. I'm saying we both have a common interest. Kind of like the Shiites and Sunnis have, they hate each other, but they are sure kickin some coalition butt.
 
Old May 29th, 2004 #47
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Rockwell did it. That's good enough for me.
 
Old May 29th, 2004 #48
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Alex,

A real shame that you've been banned from attending the Duke Conference, even as a visitor and reporter, and a real insult. I bet Duke and co. would be proud to have some ZOG reporter come and cover the affair. Your 'message would conflict'? It isn't as if you were asking to speak, but just to attend and report. VNN is not welcome, CNN is.

Long time movement mudslinger and NA opponent Willis Carto is attending and speaking. That man, regardless of his merits, has been in conflict with virtually everyone else in the movement, including Dr. Pierce and Revilo Oliver, has been involved in lawsuits with the IHR and accused of crimes. There is a web page dedicated to him, linked to by the IHR, described thusly: "Detailed information, including many documents, on an influential "Patriot for Profit" and embezzler."

Certainly, Carto has made more enemies in the movement than Linder.

Willis Carto isn't banned from attending; he's a speaker.

What is it about Alex Linder that is so feared? I look at it this way. Alex Linder is to real politics what Pat Buchanan is to fake politics. He has to be kept out of the debates. He might steal the show, upset the apple cart, cut into profits. Can't have that. Small men's egos and livelihoods are at risk. Oh well.

I understand Alex's logic here; since he spoke with Duke and there is a chance things will improve, the best thing to do is what we have typically done in the face of gross injustice and this sort of scheming: bear it with dignity and make a good accounting of ourselves so that all who are able to see will see, by our actions, just what we are about. It's like White Nationalism in miniature. By our deeds and character we have to show the big talk of our enemies for what it is. Duke will understand this from experience.

Well, there's enough work to be done for everyone.

Since you aren't attending the Duke Conference, consider instead attending Ernst Zundel's June 11th Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals hearing in Cincinnati. Now there's a man in real need, and who has worked as hard as anyone else in this fight, and who has a lot more fight in him. He needs us and we need him. Here is Ingrid Rimland's announcement of the hearing:

US Zundel Hearing in Cincinnati June 11

...June 11th is the date for the oral presentation in the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeal in Cincinnati. If you are media, or if you are in the area - IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, ATTEND! This is a history-making case, and what will be decided is whether or not we can dislodge Ernst from the claws of the Korrupt Kanadian Kommissars.

To put it another way, we are arguing that Ernst was denied every single basic right he was entitled to - shamelessly! As our brief says, the Zundel case shocks the conscience! Ernst was treated like the worst of criminals, hauled off in chains, thrown into four prisons, treated abominably, and never allowed to present the facts as they occurred and are meticulously documented.

We are asking the judge to let him come back to Tennessee, in chains if necessary, to be allowed to tell an American judge exactly what happened. The presentation itself will only last 15 minutes - that's all the time we are allowed! - but presumably the three judges on our panel will have read the brief and will not have relied on some clerk of the Chosenite persuasion to tell them what it says.

I am not holding my breath that Ernst's return will be allowed, for we now know for certain that even courts on both sides of the border have aided in his kidnapping and are certainly kowtowing to the powers that be in keeping him in solitary - but history is going to be made, one way or another, and if you can manage to come to Cincinnati June 11th, send me a message.

Here is my letter to Alex Linder, 5/27/04:

Alex,

You ought to go. She's asking for media, and with VNN's history of money-raising and white-defending this would be quite fitting for us. You could meet Mrs. Rimland, get some quotes for your report, and it even could morph into a big effort on behalf of Zundel. This is a more clear-cut case than any other, even mainstream commentators are getting in on it. It's clear injustice and bare-faced Jewish tyranny. Zundel has done a lot and is worth a lot. It's a disgrace that he's in jail now and may be for 5 years in Germany. Who knows if he'll ever get out? who knows if he might not just disappear? For us to allow this to happen, when all the facts and legal technicalities are on our side, when there's not even a pretext for his being held, would be an outrage as well as a missed opportunity. And to let this happen to him after all he's done, a disgrace. More important than that, he is a great loss for us. He is too valuable to lose. Read this: Ernst Zundel's Message to the Sacramento Revisionist Conference, from upcoming book Setting the Record Straight: Letters from Cell # 7. Totally incredible. That's from a man who is at the peak of his abilities and mental clarity and full of energy. We need him.

Go to Cincinnati if you can, report on the hearing for us, get some quotes from Mrs. Rimland, talk to her, see what can be done. Maybe we can get some WN attorneys working on this, maybe raise money, at least spread the word. What would it take to get you to Cincinnati? I'd be willing to contribute. I'd put up a thread in forum to get others to. You need a plane ticket? Would you be driving? Bring someone to take notes, a photographer if allowed, etc. It's not a privilege; it's your job and our responsibility. No one seems to be fighting for him, just as no one fought for Doles, and we're missing a great opportunity to throw our strength against ZOG at a historic weakpoint, on solid legal ground and for a man who we all love and admire, white nationalists and revisionists alike. Here we can put up a fight that maybe we can win and that at least we can raise a huge fuss over and rally around. For a thousand reasons we have to do this.. It's VNN's place and role. And we need Zundel, not just for his sake, but to show that we can't be pushed around like this - none of us - if we stand together. If this can happen to Ernst it can happen to any of us. Zundel is getting full-out ZOG-Soviet treatment, chains and all: solitary confinement, deportation from ZOG satellite to ZOG satellite, no charges! and the press is silent. But you know, this is no Soviet Union. AmeriKwa is weak, it can't hold up... we can kick it right in and gain a victory while the getting is good. ZOG is really shell-shocked now and shrinking into it's shell like a scared turtle-stein. It's retreating on lots of fronts. Can't you smell the fear? Exposing its weakness will only make it weaker and encourage more to attack. And by standing together and behind Ernst we show our own strength and resolve to win.

It's never been characteristic of our race to abandon our wounded or leave anyone behind. And now, more than ever, we need to have solidarity.

Tell me what you think.

William Krieger

[End of letter]

We aren't allowed to go to New Orleans? Let's go to Cincinnati and, in VNN spirit, get something done. For that assistant you can bring Chain if he would go. It won't be a big event; according to Ms. Rimland it will only last 15-20 minutes. But it is an important event, and deserves lots of attention and coverage. Not enough people know about this. Is anyone really putting up a fight for Ernst Zundel? It doesn't seem like it. There were a few flyers, a few broadcasts, plenty recitation of the facts, but to no real end. Where is the energy, where is the confidence, where is the will to win? Outside VNN, the WN and revisionist movement is like a dead fish; no life, no energy, no spirit. Remember the Doles case? It took VNN to energize what was already there and make it aware of itself and its power. If the rest of the movement is White Nationalism's Truth and Knowledge, VNN is its Morale. If the rest of the movement is WN's head, VNN is it's heart. Here we have the opportunity to really get something done and show what we are about, in face of the lies and exclusion of the "vested interests."

It was the Doles case that started all this. It was the fear of VNN's power to do good, not evil, that created the 'conflict,' which we never wanted. It frightened certain interests. The small men banded together to fend off the bigger man, teamed up to pull down the superior, much in the way that the Republicans and Democrats worked together to keep Pat Buchanan out of the debates, who they feared. They fear us, and we don't need them. Anyone who is able to see, will see, by our deeds and our character, what we are about, and will find their way to us. This is just the beginning of WN. We haven't even gotten started yet. There is lots of ground to cover. We don't need to fight over the scraps. Let's focus on VNN and show what we are worth.

William Krieger
 
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Drastic times call for drastic measures.

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Old May 29th, 2004 #50
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Cinnci? Only 10 hours from here (after getting felt up by homeland security's finest just to get on the plane). The drive would be about the same but I wouldn't be getting my tax $ worth now would I? Worh it all for Zundel and to report the truth. June 11th is on my list of things to do.
 
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1960's "Negro" who stepped off the sidewalk to let white people pass need not be confused with today's "african american" who compels you to step off the sidewalk so he can pass by, walking with your white ex-girlfriend.
 
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I'm from Jew York City originally, Steve. Actually, there are groups of black separatists there (black israelites, e.g.) whose rhetoric is far more venomous and hate filled than NOI, still, your point is duly noted.

Did Frederick the Great eschew alliances? Did Constantine or Charlemagne fail to see the unifying power of a subversive creed they didn't even subscribe to themselves? You've got to be pragmatic here. If AE were here, he'd tell us all to have a sit down with the Art of War.

The NOI are separatists. They don't believe in miscegenation, period. They don't believe in intoxicants and they believe it's their duty to be physically fit and able to serve their race. They also have a dress code. I know about the hypocrisy of Elijah Muhamed, Farrakhan, et al.. We want the same things: freedom from the jew, autonomy and dignity for our people, separation of the races. The reality is we have more in common with them ideologically than most Whites. That's the way it is and your objections won't change that.

Wouldn't you agree that either Hitler made a mistake, or was a victim of circumstance, fighting a war on two fronts? Let's not make the same mistake (or be forced into it) again. It just doesn't make sense.

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I think this rally is one of the greatest ideas ever. Jews have for the past century used blacks and other minorities as tools to further their own group interests against whites. Anti-semitism for a many reasons is extremely high amongst blacks. People, our number one enemy is the JEW. Without Jews there would no Iraq wars, support for Israel, civil rights movements, third world immigration, etc etc. NOI shares many of the same views as us. Just imagine a "one million march against Jews", maybe even at either the democratic or republican convention. The Jews will poop their pants. Blacks and whites marching equally, but seperating against Jewish power in the US. Why the hell not work with the NOI, help them through this protest make Jews not whites the main enemies for blacks? Take blacks away from the Jewish NAACP/Jessie Jackson camp. This in itself, will be a revolution in hate against the JEWS.
 
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Would've, Should've, Could've...but won't. Who here can afford six kids?
Everyone can afford 6 kids. Turn your $100 per month cable tv off, buy an old tough american car like a caprice classic instead of a $700 per month SUV.

For the love of god, the average white person makes $45,000++ per year! Food, clothing, shelter, is all that is needed. Food can be bought at wholesale prices, along with clothing too. $150 per month, per kid = $900 per month, the cost of driving a brand new SUV around.

White people are selling out their future existance for a flashy truck/stationwagon.

OH I AM SURE YOU UPPITY WHITE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK ABOUT COLLEGE.

To hell with college, we need working class whites TO DO WORK, not manage mexicans doing that work.

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Dude, old white goat, that argument was good maybe 30 or 40 years ago. Right now we are being flooded with millions of third worlders, and their population is exploding in the US as well. The baby boomers really screwed up and now we are left with this mess. What we need to do is understand but not dwell on the past, make strategic alliances with other groups with similiar interests and yank the JEWs from power. Then we can divide up the US and everyone we will live happily ever after in a non KOSHER America.
 
Old May 29th, 2004 #56
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Some points:

1) No slurs or cursing. Try it, we'll delete it. If it keeps up, I'll ban repeat offenders from this subforum. If that's possible.

2) Why ally with NOI?

NOI includes many self-respecting blacks. Those who dress well and work deserve a measure of respect. NOI is trying to take blacks in a healthier direction. If NOI believes some kooky theories about the origins of whites, so what? They and we share an interest in getting rid of the jew who has mixed us at gunpoint to the detriment of both our communities.

The black community is headless, thanks to jewish political "liberation," which, like jewish sexual "liberation" for whites, is a form of control. Blacks were better off with their talented tenth leading their community rather than buried in ours. Less crime and bastardy, better dress, manners and morals BEFORE "civil rights." Black scholar Thomas Sowell has demonstrated this conclusively. The facts are covered up by the jew media that would have a heck of a time mis-covering such a rally.

Those who make fun of NOI need to consider that Farrakhan has a stronger organization than anybody in WN. Farrakhan names the jew in his public speeches. How many Whites do that?

We White Nationalists share an interest with Black Nationalists in separating our races. We also share interest in not seeing our men die for Israel.

In fact, why not include the Arabs, too?

Make the focus 100% on jews controlling Washington and the airwaves.
 
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I'm from Jew York City originally, Steve. Actually, there are groups of black separatists there (black israelites, e.g.) whose rhetoric is far more venomous and hate filled than NOI, still, your point is duly noted.

Did Frederick the Great eschew alliances? Did Constantine or Charlemagne fail to see the unifying power of a subversive creed they didn't even subscribe to themselves? You've got to be pragmatic here. If AE were here, he'd tell us all to have a sit down with the Art of War.

The NOI are separatists. They don't believe in miscegenation, period. They don't believe in intoxicants and they believe it's their duty to be physically fit and able to serve their race. They also have a dress code. I know about the hypocrisy of Elijah Muhamed, Farrakhan, et al.. We want the same things: freedom from the jew, autonomy and dignity for our people, separation of the races. The reality is we have more in common with them ideologically than most Whites. That's the way it is and your objections won't change that.

Wouldn't you agree that either Hitler made a mistake, or was a victim of circumstance, fighting a war on two fronts? Let's not make the same mistake (or be forced into it) again. It just doesn't make sense.
Hey DH I replied to your post but apparently Alex and the new PC thread deemed it inappropriate.

No biggie.....we still have 9 out of 10 where we can say what we want. For the time being at least.
 
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OWG is right about one thing...if you live simply, you live easily. I paid for my car in cash, and it's a 1999 with under 47,000 miles. I don't think you can lease in Jew York anymore, but its a bad idea anyway. If you cant afford somehting up front, you shouldnt be buying it. Alot of guys in the Army blew all their pay on beer, since I don't drink jew-brew, I walked out of the Army with over $15,000 extra saved up, not bad for someone who went from E-1 to E-4 in a two year hitch.

As for the NOI, it would be the psychological (calm down Norcal) equivalent of a nuclear bomb for some form of alliance. While I would not deny I dislike the majority of blacks, I do not find there presence on this globe so infuriating that I couldn't work with them for a few months to help get rid of them.

The jew must realize the world(global community in jewspeak) is getting extremely tired of Hymies hijinks, and see the writing on the wall. A domestic alliance...even a lose one, would further rattle the jews psyche.

Besides, what do nazis, la raza, and the NOI have in commin?

You know the answer.


Oh, I almost forgot to ask, was this civil enough? I do feel terribly like I am walking on eggshells.
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*rubs eyes and looks at screen again*

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1960's "Negro" who stepped off the sidewalk to let white people pass need not be confused with today's "african american" who compels you to step off the sidewalk so he can pass by, walking with your white ex-girlfriend.
I think Rockwell got a lot of press in his day, more than a Nazi leader would today, in large measure because jewry has successfully paralyzed the White mind. Rockwell was Pierce's mentor. Rockwell heavily influenced Klassen.

Propaganda- truthful propaganda, is mostly what we have to work with right now. There are a very few who will take action beyond that point. Franklin was one, but there are few.

Imagine the impact if Schoeps guys showed up. NOI could turn out way more than Whites could, even if the Zionist Iraq war were included on the bill.

Anyway, the images would be close-ups of White skinheads, and aerial and long-distant shots of giant swastika flags on poles in the middle of a black sea. That's what I'd envision, unless we got so PC to ban the swastika.

Then too, Farrakhan might be on the same stage as Schoep. Both are skilled orators, with radically different styles. Both would be hammering the truth about IZ, Zionist WWIII, and the race-mixing and Mexican flood jewry has kvetched.

Those kind of images would overload people's brains so that many of them would be forced to reconsider their belief system. Limbaugh, Oh'Really, Faux, Michael Weiner, Forward, ADL, CBS, CNN, ABC, even Free Republic would cover the program.

Potentially, we could fly in a couple of European WP leaders from countries which don't have anti-free speech laws, and they could address the crowd, talking about how we are a worldwide movement which constitutes a mere 8% of the planet: "We want our own homeland."

I suppose NOI would be instructed to politely applaud. It'd all be quite something.
 
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